Erick Erickson goes nuclear against Rand (nasty attack piece!)

This really tells me the establishment is very very afraid.

Rand's grand campaign plan is actually working, and Rand is going to win Iowa and New Hampshire and turn this whole thing right-side up.

Mainstream media is losing it's grip on the voting electorate, and NOBODY wants war with Russia.

This little tantrum by Erickson is a good sign.
 
Great. So what is Rand going to do to fix it? Joint press conference with Mike Lee? Press release that he thinks Mitch McConnell should follow John Boener into retirement?
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Yeah Eric Ericson sucks. That said Huck, Kasich and Christie were never the front runners that Rand once was. Rand shouldn't drop out. But he needs to look at something beyond "live streaming" to breath life into the campaign. The Benton strategy of marginalizing the "crazy" Ron Paul supporters and court the teocons worked as long as the teocons were on board. Now that's not the case even though more and more teocons are accepting his dad's non-interventionist foreign policy while not being willing to admit it. (And only because Obama has put a liberal democratic face on interventionism.)

Did you read this?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...s-Memo-Explaining-why-he-won-t-drop-out-10-15
 
I did NOT expect this from Erick Erickson. I had respect for him being willing to take on Trump. I don't have any respect left for him now. This is a really a vicious and mean-spirited op-ed from him. Don't read this if you're having a nice day.


I don't really have to read it because I already know the gist of what it says. Erickson is a complete cretin and him putting out nonsense about Rand is about as commonplace as Salon or Politico doing it. I've grown weary of worrying about what these internet rags think, I'm more concerned with the ground game at this point, and the next debate.
 
Didn't all of the establishment neocons like Erickson come out against Trump?

Of course. THey had to in order to sell the narrative that Trump is anti-establishment.

So, if we point out that, by that logic, Rand Paul is also anti-establishment, would that force this shill into saying something nice about Rand Paul...?
 
They just really don't want Rand in this next debate, and by the current numbers, he's gonna be there, so what are they gonna do?

Get him to fold, get polled voters to switch to someone else, whatever they can do. This "his campaign's hopeless" is just nonsense meant to deceive and sway opinion.

To take his very cool and historic livestream and just dump all over it is totally lame sauce. Other candidates wish they could be so cool. Maybe it was over promoted, but hey, for a first time, it rocked.
 
Yeah. That's nice. Rand has a great ground game. I knew that. Ron had a great ground game. At one time Rand had something that Ron never had which is frontrunner status. It's gone now. Maybe a win in Iowa will change that. In the meantime can we not do anything else?


1. Earned media appearances - check
2. A steady stream of well organized campaign stops, with speeches, fundraising, and GOTV efforts - check
3. Social media campaign - check
4. Buzz generating one-off's (Hillary's book on eBay, etc.) - check
5. Continuing to serve as senator, attending votes and committee, subcommittee meetings, floor speeches, etc. - check
6. Addressing attacks head on - check
7. Written op-eds concerning relevant issues - check


For starters. Others feel free to contribute where I'm missing. Or maybe you've thought of the silver bullet, drake?
 
1. Earned media appearances - check
2. A steady stream of well organized campaign stops, with speeches, fundraising, and GOTV efforts - check
3. Social media campaign - check
4. Buzz generating one-off's (Hillary's book on eBay, etc.) - check
5. Continuing to serve as senator, attending votes and committee, subcommittee meetings, floor speeches, etc. - check
6. Addressing attacks head on - check
7. Written op-eds concerning relevant issues - check


For starters. Others feel free to contribute where I'm missing. Or maybe you've thought of the silver bullet, drake?

I never said I had the answers. I raised the questions. I did already make the suggestion of reaching out to Mike Lee if that would at all be helpful. I don't know if it would be or not. I also gave the suggestion that maybe it's time to take a potshot at McConnell in the way of the Boener resignation. I don't know if it would be helpful or not. You seem to feel that everything is rolling along just as it should be. Okay. Time will tell.
 
I never said I had the answers. I raised the questions. I did already make the suggestion of reaching out to Mike Lee if that would at all be helpful. I don't know if it would be or not. I also gave the suggestion that maybe it's time to take a potshot at McConnell in the way of the Boener resignation. I don't know if it would be helpful or not. You seem to feel that everything is rolling along just as it should be. Okay. Time will tell.

Oh, I don't think he said that. I think he was just pointing out that if you're not in Iowa, the only way you can tell that Rand Paul is doing anything at all is to bypass the mainstream media and go find out for yourself.

Unless, of course, he does something they think they can attack him about.
 
They just really don't want Rand in this next debate, and by the current numbers, he's gonna be there, so what are they gonna do?

Get him to fold, get polled voters to switch to someone else, whatever they can do. This "his campaign's hopeless" is just nonsense meant to deceive and sway opinion.

To take his very cool and historic livestream and just dump all over it is totally lame sauce. Other candidates wish they could be so cool. Maybe it was over promoted, but hey, for a first time, it rocked.

I thought is was great. Rand has to scramble to get what he can where he can. Chalk this one up as appealing to the youth vote. He's gonna need them. He didn't have to cancel appearances or re-arrange his schedule. He was just able to be Rand.
 
Oh, I don't think he said that. I think he was just pointing out that if you're not in Iowa, the only way you can tell that Rand Paul is doing anything at all is to bypass the mainstream media and go find out for yourself.

Unless, of course, he does something they think they can attack him about.

Which is, of course, anything and everything. With the M$M everything is "damned if you do, damned if you don't."
 
Oh, I don't think he said that. I think he was just pointing out that if you're not in Iowa, the only way you can tell that Rand Paul is doing anything at all is to bypass the mainstream media and go find out for yourself.

Unless, of course, he does something they think they can attack him about.

I wasn't offended by what georgiaboy said. He asked if I had a silver bullet and I said no but I mentioned suggestions I already made. And I'm sure Iowa is going fine. I believe we had a great ground game in Iowa in 2012. Clearly everyone can't be a part of it. But at one point Rand was a teaocon darling. Is it possible that his siding with McConnell or certain issues hurt him? If yes is there something that can be done about it? That said I'm cool with GB's checklist and am fine to wait and see.
 
I never said I had the answers. I raised the questions. I did already make the suggestion of reaching out to Mike Lee if that would at all be helpful. I don't know if it would be or not. I also gave the suggestion that maybe it's time to take a potshot at McConnell in the way of the Boener resignation. I don't know if it would be helpful or not. You seem to feel that everything is rolling along just as it should be. Okay. Time will tell.

I really do. We're in a 'hard work' stage in the campaign, and holding steady, staying on message, on plan, making oneself visible, and minimizing gaffes is the road to success.

Combine this, over and over again, with top organization in the early states, it is a momentum builder over time.

Others have skeletons, or lack of the above, and we just gotta keep on working, and I expect payoff.

I also think others in the know see this about Rand, and that's why they're trying to derail him now. Won't happen.
 
Is anybody going to address ^this? Did Rand really piss off the teocons by not working more closely with Cruz and Lee? If no then how is he going to fix the narrative? If yes than how does he undo the damage? This isn't 2008 and 2012 where all of these people just hated us no matter what. And if it is 2008 and 2012 all over again, please let me know now.

It's a matter of priorities. By definition, teocons generally support neoconservative foreign policy. They will never trust Rand to be far enough over on that side of the scale. Never. They like Rand on a lot of other issues, but as long as there is a candidate who is snugly in bed with the neoconservatives on foreign policy, they will prioritize that candidate over Rand. Cruz fits that bill. Rubio would probably also be slightly preferred.

Everything else is just secondary excuses that are piled on to try to push the primary agenda.
 
It's a matter of priorities. By definition, teocons generally support neoconservative foreign policy. They will never trust Rand to be far enough over on that side of the scale. Never. They like Rand on a lot of other issues, but as long as there is a candidate who is snugly in bed with the neoconservatives on foreign policy, they will prioritize that candidate over Rand. Cruz fits that bill. Rubio would probably also be slightly preferred.

Everything else is just secondary excuses that are piled on to try to push the primary agenda.

This is the way I see it. Everyone that I know that is a Teocon supports an aggressive foreign policy. This is not Rand.
 
I wasn't offended by what georgiaboy said. He asked if I had a silver bullet and I said no but I mentioned suggestions I already made. And I'm sure Iowa is going fine. I believe we had a great ground game in Iowa in 2012. Clearly everyone can't be a part of it. But at one point Rand was a teaocon darling. Is it possible that his siding with McConnell or certain issues hurt him? If yes is there something that can be done about it? That said I'm cool with GB's checklist and am fine to wait and see.


No offense taken.

I'm not following your teaocon and McConnell line of reasoning. Rand, Cruz, and Lee have all three staked out their own paths, mostly agreeing, a few times disagreeing. Over time, I recall Cruz especially voting for more spending where Rand didn't.
I also seem to recall Cruz and Lee going scorched earth regarding Obamacare, and Rand played it more strategically within the realm of the possible in the senate - maybe this caused a ripple.
Most recently, Cruz got zero support trying to enact legislation in the senate - something that has never happened, and Rand let everyone know Cruz was done for there. Seems like a good reason to distance oneself.

All that said, I don't think it's as complex as this with voters right now. If you look at Cruz and Rand in the polls, there within each others margin of error. Other factors are at play, mostly newness, ear tickling, and lack of depth, affecting the polls right now.
 
Just some quick thoughts to some of the BS Erick wrote. My thoughts are in blue

“Go home to Kentucky, Senator, and save your Senate seat before Kentucky’s voters take the incompetence of your Presidential campaign as a reflection on you and your Senate campaign.”

What is the most endearing moment of Rand Paul’s Presidential campaign is also the most embarrassing. The senator live streamed his entire day yesterday and took questions from people online. At one point, he referred to it as a “dumb ass live stream.”

Grasping at straws much? Already shows that this guy is a dunce that has no original thoughts of his own and just parroting what establishment media has already been saying

It was, as the press called it, “a stunt" — a desperate cry for attention. What is worse is that Rand Paul did not even like it. “I’ve been saying, I don’t want to do this, I don’t want to do this. And now we’re doing this,” Paul told a reporter.

Then he read mean tweets about himself. This was preceded by an August attempt to take on Donald Trump that made such little buzz that I actually did not even realize it. About the only thing that happened was Rand became a punching bag for Donald Trump in the debates.

The reality TV star, no doubt, will next bring up Rand Paul’s stint as an second rate internet star.

The whole thing is embarrassing.

Couldn't you say anything done in politics is a "stunt"? Every campaign is trying to get attention and get people tuning in and involved. In regards to Trump... talk about a complete 180... Erickson himself went after Trump and disinvited him to a RedState gathering, after which Trump completely humiliated Erickson... so Erick should be the last one to talk about embarrassment. The fact that he is seemingly pulling a 180 is in itself embarrassing. Perhaps Erickson should grow a spine?

One of Rand Paul’s Super PAC’s has already closed up shop. Paul himself raised $2.5 million, outraised by Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and others. In fact, Paul had raised only $6.9 million in the prior quarter and “the Paul campaign insist[ed] its financials [were] healthy and on an upward trajectory and that the Kentucky senator is ‘in it for the long haul.'”

Paul’s “upward trajectory” is only upward in an upside down world. For two consecutive quarters, Ben Carson has individually beaten Rand Paul and his Super PACs combined.

Alright finally, we at least get to some substance. Rand's financials aren't great, there is no other way to put it. Having said that, as long as Rand has the money to keep the campaign going things can quickly change once he finds his voice. As he finds his voice and his support grows, so will his finances. Of course the difficult thing is getting the message out on limited funds to reach voters, but as long as Rand has good debate performances and good interviews should help motivate the base and attract people to him/support him/donate to him

Paul has taken to bashing Ted Cruz for daring to challenge Washington and has otherwise stood shoulder to shoulder with the Washington insiders the rest of the party is fighting. He has been hampered by a group of Republicans who think he is the second coming of his father and hampered by a separate group of Republicans who realize he is not the second coming of his father.

Why is Cruz treated as a saint? The Cruz campaign is the one trying to make it out as if there is discontent/division in the liberty movement to try and pick people off and create the illusion that Cruz is the best choice for liberty voters. Cruz is the one that took to bashing Rand in his book. Rand never said anything negative towards Cruz before then, it was Cruz that started it yet morons such as Erickson want to paint Cruz as the victim. In fact, Cruz started taking shots at Rand even before the book. Let's take a look back to 2013 shall we...

DES MOINES — Senator Ted Cruz calls his colleague Rand Paul a “good friend.” The two men are the stars of the Tea Party movement, propelled to Washington by activist fervor and allied in their effort to restrain the reach of the federal government.

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But when Mr. Cruz went to New York City to meet with donors this summer, he privately offered a different view of Mr. Paul: The Kentucky senator can never be elected president, he told them, because he can never fully detach himself from the strident libertarianism of his father, former Representative Ron Paul of Texas.

Word of Mr. Cruz’s remarks reached Mr. Paul’s inner circle, touching off anger and resentment.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/02/u...ths-and-styles-diverge.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
So there you have it, Cruz is a snake


Paul’s strategic choices have been muddled and have all the hallmarks of a candidate micromanaging a campaign staff that will neither stand up to him, nor guide him, but can apparently bully him into a “dumb ass live stream.” When other candidates went to Iowa, Rand went to Alaska and Wyoming. He has marched to the beat of not just his own drummer, but a drummer no one else can hear.

Again, back with the livestream argument... in the words of Rand Paul, "get over it". He is really trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. It was a joke, and even if it wasn't (it was), who cares? It is meaningless

It is rumored in D.C. that his campaign has serious turmoil between staffers who do not get along and it appears Paul either has too much conflicting advice or is ignoring competent advice all while paying out big bucks to consultants who, at this point, appear to be profiting from a reality TV star making a fool of himself. His campaign has all the hallmarks of a profit motivated staff or a micro-managerial candidate unwilling to take advice.

So now he is citing a Politico article from I believe early August. Politico has been revealed to be providing quite a lot of bogus/misinformation towards Rand and his campaign lately so they aren't the most trustworthy, but if it is/was true then yea Rand needs to deal with it and take control

Rand Paul should be a candidate reflecting on serious issues within the Republican Party. Though I do not necessarily agree with him on all of his core issues, Paul has been a critical voice on the scope of national security surveillance of Americans, the role of government in civil rights, and federalism. But he has failed to get traction on any of those issues, has failed to stand out on any debate stage except to look stoned or serve as plaything for Donald Trump, and has failed to raise a competitive amount of money.

Fair enough, Rand I think has had some trouble as far as messaging goes. When it comes to fundraising, yea Rand needs to do better but he's 5th in the GOP when it comes to fundraising so if we are going to look at fundraising as a measure as to whether or not some should drop out before we even have the first primary then there are plenty of others to drop out before Rand. (Source on fundraising: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/...-shows-cash-crunch-that-led-him-to-quit-race/)

The Paul campaign has about $2 million cash on hand, according to [Paul’s spokesman]. Given that the campaign finished the previous quarter with $4.1 million cash on hand, that suggests the campaign spent more than it took in these past three months. Having spent $4.6 million and taken in $2.5 million, the Paul campaign spent at almost double the rate it earned these past three months.

Rand Paul, on God only knows whose advice, made an early disastrous error by fighting against the Washington GOP in his 2010 election only to go to DC and try not just to work with them, but to do so at the expense of Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. Paul became the Republican “outsider” who his Kentucky colleague Mitch McConnell relied on to throw Cruz and Mike Lee under the bus. That alienated Paul with tea party voters. His failure to aggressively pick up his father’s platform alienated Paul to more hardcore libertarian Ron Paul voters. And Paul has never been able to find a new base of support, having burned bridges will his past coalition.

Throw under the bus? lol stfu Erick. Care to give more specific examples how Rand threw them under the bus? If we are going to play that game then Ted Cruz threw Rand under the bus when he failed to support Rand's patriot act filibuster. Ted also threw Rand under the bus when he bad mouthed Rand in that article previously cited back in 2013

At this point, if Paul stays in, he is staying in as a candidate to subsidize political consultants, which is something Paul ran against in 2010. He is, in short, becoming the very sort of candidate he fought against in 2010. It is still not clear if he will get on stage in Boulder, CO, at the end of this month given his anemic polling.

For one, it is pretty clear at this point Rand will make the stage. Second, maybe, JUST MAYBE, Rand is staying in because we're still relatively early in the cycle and Rand actually has a unique message in the Republican party? No one on the stage is even close to as strong as Rand when it comes to the Bill of Rights and on foreign policy

About the only thing Rand Paul is now doing in the race is serving as a future George Washington University campaign management class hypothetical in how not to run a Presidential campaign. A man who should be setting the agenda of a new GOP reform path is now, at best, an asterisk, headed toward being a polling asterisk.

Actually, Rand's polling is starting to go up. it may be going up slowly and nothing to write home about, but going up none the less, so nice try with the "asterisk" comment. Erickson still trying to push the narrative that it's over. Still 3 months away from votes but pack your bags everyone, it's done!

And in other news, the head of the Rand Paul Super PAC that has not thrown in the towel already is under indictment.

Rand Paul, this was an interesting run and I am a fan of yours. But your campaign is a bloody embarrassment that needs to be taken out back and put out of its misery. Go home to Kentucky, Senator, and save your Senate seat before Kentucky’s voters take the incompetence of your Presidential campaign as a reflection on you and your Senate campaign.

No, you are a fan of Cruz and are butt hurt because Rand and his campaign had the audacity to call the Cruz campaign out for trying to push the narrative that Cruz is who the liberty movement prefers. Cruz has been a snake this whole time. He is an opportunist and will speak bad about Rand when it serves his best interest. Also, again Erickson parroting a talking point that has no basis in reality. Rand is in no danger of losing his Senate seat... he doesn't even have anyone opposing him. This whole "Rand is in danger of losing his Senate seat" started from that "anonymous source within the Republican party" that Politico likes to cite in their hit pieces... the same source Dave Weigel revealed to be working with a rival campaign, unfortunately he didn't reveal which campaign but my money is on Cruz's
 
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