EPA Bans Most Wood Fire Stoves

It's almost like it is a tax on future heat for people in the northern 1/3 of the nation. This is pretty annoying, especially for people moving to or inside the northern 1/3 of the nation, including where I live.
 
This was out a year or two ago. I didn't think it got anywhere.

I looked into it a bit the last time I heard about it. There are new stoves being made that meet whatever regulations are out there. So, something happened. They're making wood stoves in compliance with something. I don't know what that it.
 
I want to abolish the EPA, it's useless.

I fully agree that taxes are too high that they discouarge work, economist from most if not all schools of economic tought agree including keynesians http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/business/economy/10view.html and tax cuts are needed ASAP. Pollution taxes like for example a carbon tax has a big effect on the way consumers act. A carbon tax would make consumers buy more fuel-efficient cars, car-pool, use clean renewable energy, eat locally produced food etc etc and raise enough revenue for a small goverment. It would have a two birds one stone effect. Sounds good in theory. It can only work in practice if congress thinks taxing more then absolutely necessary to run a government is legalized theft and cuts other taxes.

EDIT: I do not think taxing wooden stoves is a good idea, I prefer a carbon tax.

What, exactly, is a carbon tax? How would this be enforced? How do you force people to eat local? Why don't you think that wood is a renewable source of energy? How would it force poor people to buy expensive cars when you'd essentially be fining them for driving shitty ones, thus driving them deeper into the poverty hole? How do these folks carpool when they live out in the sticks and their nearest neighbor might be miles away?
 
But it's never a small amount of taxes. And any small amount of taxes ends up being a large amount of taxes. Just wait until you see what is coming down the pike when we have to pay for Obamacare and bailing out the health insurance companies, not to mention the population getting older and on entitlements, etc, etc. We have one in seven people on food stamps as it stands. How much more wealth re-distribution do you think the working class can take before they either become one of the statistics or before economic collapse. I would suggest you go do some reading over at Zerohedge or a similar economic site. You might begin to feel differently. If you are a young person, a lot of this is going to be on your shoulders as well in the coming years.
I want to get rid of the HHS, SSA, VA, DOL, DOT, ED, HUD, DOE, DHS, CIA, EPA, SBA, NSF, CNCS, DOD, the income tax, the corporate income tax, the payroll tax, estate tax, most if not all tariffs, subsidies, handouts and entitlements. And that is not all I would want congress to get rid off. Not a big fan of redistribution.
 
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Why would you bump this thread when it's not true that the EPA banned most (if any) wood stoves?
 
Why would you bump this thread when it's not true that the EPA banned most (if any) wood stoves?
The point is that they banned most modern stoves from being sold... if you buy a new stove it has to conform to many new regulations that the old ones wouldn't pass.
 
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I laughed, I would rep you if i did not have more neg reps then good reps.

Stop thinking like the Govt has our best interests at heart and how the Govt could abuse its power to make its cronys even richer. The excess of laws and regulations to which the people are all held accountable is strangling the very life blood of this country. And the Law and Justice most often have nothing to do with each other. They make laws as harsh as possible because Private Prisons are promised funding, and the more ordinary people they can turn into Prisoners, the more profits the Private Prisons make. They require licenses for things that should not require licenses. Either to get people used to the idea that something is a Permission and not a Right (like Guns), or to prohibit Free Market Competition (Taxi Cabs in NY license costs one million dollars, literally). But at every step of the way, they ABUSE the power to create Laws (not Justice, LAWS), to their own personal benefit.

That is ABUSE of the Law.

One of the most common ways that Police solve "Crimes" is to follow the money. Cui Bono. Who benefits. So when we hear people come along that come along and parrot what the MSM tells them, it is obvious. Follow the money. Do your own homework. Someone is going to profit immensely from outlawing wood burning stoves, as they do with most laws. They make things illegal for you but not for them. Follow the money. Find out why. Who are they connected to. Why do US Secretaries of the Treasury go work for Goldman Sachs at the end of their terms as Treasuries? Follow the money. Maybe you'd consider Secretary of the Treasury being on the payroll of Goldman Sachs to be a conflict of interest?

How about something less threatening? Like a Seat Belt Law? Problem with a violation of the Law is that in order to break the Law, there must be a Victim. If you don't wear your seat belt, who is the Victim? If you start trying to parrot the MSM and say the Insurance Companies are the victims lets try this. The only way they could claim to be a victim is to claim ownership of you. Most rights are based on Property Rights. You own yourself. When your Insurance Company claims to be the Victim, what they are really doing is claiming ownership of you.

How about Guns? There is a big push right now to make ALL GUNS (except for those in the hands of any Govt appointed Official) completely illegal. But first, they need to turn up the heat on us by constantly reporting on all this Gun Violence. You are supposed to conclude that we should become like Britain and outlaw ALL guns, except for those used by Cops. Your lack of ability to protect yourself makes you dependant on those that do have guns. Thus, controllable. And they know if you catch them excessively abusing their guns and you become fully aware of how deep the rabbit hole goes, you'll be powerless to resist those abuses.

The reason you are getting negative reps is because what we hear you saying is exactly what we hear the MSM say. Outlaw guns. Enforce Seat Belt Laws. Require a License to drive a Taxi in New York. Unfortunately, most people think this way. They want you to Obey. They want you to Consume. They want you to offer no resistance. They do not want you to act responsibly, by taking away your responsibilities. They do not want you to think for yourself and only conclude what you are told to conclude.

You need to change your way of thinking, and that isnt easy. You need to dig deeper and think about how the Road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions, and how that desire to do good is exploited to benefit a small group of dominant men. Dig deeper to understand the truth of the situation. Then you'll have different information that completely contradicts what the MSM wants you to parrot. You need to see the hidden truths for yourself by thinking for yourself. You need to see that stronger enforcement of Drug Laws is what drives the price, which is what creates the incentive to make drugs illegal. Find a drug dealer and ask him if he would benefit from the legalization of all drugs. Find out how they determine their prices for their currently illegal wares. Think about who the Victim is when a guy goes home and acts responsibly, and smokes a joint in a manner that does not endanger anyone. Think about how people behave when the only freedom they are given is the freedom from responsibility.

The MSM gives you limited information on any subject. Limited Information typicaly causes only one possible conclusion to be derived. In the 1960s, there was an Olympic Race. The Soviet Newspapers reported that the Soviet Runner came in 2nd place, while the American Runner came in 2nd to Last place. The spin was that the Soviet Runner came in ahead of the American Runner. The American Newspapers reported that the American Runner came in First Place, and that the Soviet Runner came in 2nd place. The spin for the Americans was that the American Runner came in ahead of the Soviet Runner, the exact opposite of the conclusion of reading the Soviet Newspaper. The fact that was ommitted here was that there were only Two Men in the Race. 2nd to Last place in a Two Man Race IS First Place. Facts are omitted to bias your perception of what happened. Which is exactly what the MSM does to us daily. They omit any News about man defending his home during a home invasion with a Gun while going all apeshit over a gangbanger shooting another gangbanger.

If you truly want to support the principles of Liberty, then you need ALL the facts, not just the ones that the MSM spits your way. Quit trusting other peoples judgements and do your own homework. Follow the Money. Think for yourself. Come up with conflicting information just to put theories to the test of how a Law can be Abused. When you have ALL the information, then, you can change your way of thinking to understand how the excesses of Law are Abused, but without having ALL of the information, you will continue to conclude that Seat Belt Laws are Good, and Guns and Drugs should be Outlawed.

You need to change your Information to change your way of thinking.

Most of us here on these forums have experienced the Abuses of the Law and Power first hand. That is our first bit of information. Something is wrong with our current situation, and it has cost us dearly. We have personal incentives to dig deeper. Thus, we dig deeper. We find the information that allows us to think in a way that we are expected NOT to think, which is why we are such a threat to the Status Quo. We try to think of non violent solutions to problems, yet we are labeled kooks, psychos, and Terrorists because we've identified their Solution as the Problem itself. We have become a threat to the profit margins of the Private Prisons. We understand the difference between a Right and a Permission by who stands to benefit. We think about the responsibilities of having the freedom to do any and all drugs at any time. Just because all drugs could be made to be legal does not mean that we are going to go out and do those drugs. We understand how the control of the flow of information is abused to bias peoples perceptions. And we understand what the MSM really is. A mouthpiece to make you dependant on them for your thinking.

When we see the MSM thinking parroted in people, we recognize it, because we recognize the support of abuse. That is why you're getting Negative Reps.

Change your Information and Change your Thinking.
 
The point is that they banned most modern stoves from being sold... if you buy a new stove it has to conform to many new regulations that the old ones wouldn't pass.

On a Federal level, they certify wood stoves that meet their standards and there are tax breaks. No stoves are banned on the Federal level.

Did you not check your source, or did you want to post a sensationalist headline to get attention?
 
The point is that they banned most modern stoves from being sold... if you buy a new stove it has to conform to many new regulations that the old ones wouldn't pass.

On a Federal level, they certify wood stoves that meet their standards and there are tax breaks. No stoves are banned on the Federal level.

Did you not check your source, or did you want to post a sensationalist headline to get attention?
 
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