Enough About The G-d Commercial!

[MozoVote]

I don't like some of the biting criticism (especially of the NH supporters who volunteered to be in the ad) but I agree with mconder that we need to call a spade a spade.

Too many people are rationalizing "Well, this ad isn't meant to conenct with the YouTube generation".

Wait a minute. Isn't that like the original criticism of RP's initial support? A bunch of "Internet People" that don't represent America?

There's a pretty good range of ages of viewers, that have commented on the ad. I think the Internet consenus (that it's not good enough) is spot on.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

I don't like some of the biting criticism (especially of the NH supporters who volunteered to be in the ad) but I agree with mconder that we need to call a spade a spade.

Too many people are rationalizing "Well, this ad isn't meant to conenct with the YouTube generation".

Wait a minute. Isn't that like the original criticism of RP's original support? A bunch of "Internet People" that don't represent America?

There's a pretty good range of ages of viewers, that have commented on the ad. I think the Internet consenus (that is not good enough) is spot on.

The thing is, the acting is just SO BAD. I could probably live with the ad exactly as is with the only change being that the actors just talked normally and not used all kinds of weird inflections and put all the emphases on the wrong syllables.

Oh, and take out the "I really do" line. Then it would be tolerable.

 

[LibertyEagle]

They are not actors; they are supporters.

 

[The Dane]

The biggest problem is not even the bad acting (of the real supporters). The problem is that it allows negative points from the beginnig, like "I dont agree with all his views".
Like the potential voter should care about that this person dont agree with all his views. Truth is that RP views are close to a perfect match for alot of people, alot more than any of the so called front runners.

Plain weird that the campaing choose to paint such an underdog picture.

Why not hit it home hard from the beginning? RP certainly has the power to do that.

Edit: I agree that the "I really do" sounds lame.

But who knows, i guess this ad is targeting old folks. But how can they do that and in the same time show active supporters. Like old folks will go on the street??

 

[JMann]

HQ is aware of the feelings of those that are bothered by the 30-second clip on Youtube.

And unless any of you have done any market research in NH, then I suspect you know less about making commercials for a limited NH TV market than does campaign HQ.

I propose that the best thing to do is let new threads about this commercial die without response.

PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS POST.

This was my second thought. My first thought while watching this was that it is awful. Then I read the second youtube comment where the guy said he knew several of the people in the add. This is NH folks not Cali, they probably like simple homespun ads. I'm sure there will be issue ads to follow. This is simply an brief introduction to people that don't know him. I count three mentions of his name and 4 visual images. I also felt he look and sounded presidential in his disclaimer at the beginning.

 

[The Dane]

The commercial gives a bad first impression, and a better impression the more times one sees it.

But im afraid that those TV watchers in NH will not see it 3+ times.

Also i think that the production team lost track of the "first impression" of the ad, which is a normal error in creating music also.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Look, I'm sure Romney and the other campaigns have done plenty of market research in New Hampshire too, and their NH ads didn't make me nauseous. Okay, well they did make me nauseous, but for a completely different reason than this ad makes me nauseous. If this ad is based on market research, then they got some BAD market research, because none of the other well-funded candidates released this weird of commercials in NH.

 

[fedup100]

The ad must be changed. But, beyond that, the Paul campaign must remember who their supporters are. This is a different campaign than most, the supporters are for the most part internet savvy.

I include myself in that group even though I am 60 years old. I do have high speed internet and a brain. My husband and I have owned major department stores and we have personally made, had made or signed off on television ads. I have owned real estate companies and done the same. Not all of us online are just 19 year olds.

The campaign should hire people that do nothing but monitor the forums and blogs for Ron Paul in order to keep the temperature of the supporters. These supporters are where their donations come from and a sloppy jop of ads at this critical time is a slap in the face of those people that have dug deep when there is little to give.

I fear that the handlers hired for this campaign are the same o same o, handlers that just do routine campaigns year after year. Paul needs to do better. Paul must also realize that when it comes to ads at this late date, saving your pennies will sink your ship.

Paul's campaign must kick into high gear, and do the unusual. There have been so many high quality videos made during this campaign, I am shocked that they would run this ad.....another could be strung together in less than a day that could really make an impact.

I hope there are no trolls working to bring down the campaign, but from what I know about this world and politics, I know they are there and in place.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

The campaign should hire people that do nothing but monitor the forums and blogs for Ron Paul in order to keep the temperature of the supporters.

Are you suggesting that a government official hire people to spy on us and keep tabs on everything we private citizens say? Big brother is watching......

 

[jaumen]

So what's worse, Ron Paul's ad or Chris Dodd's Barbershop ad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVC0Ua8Id9w

"Hey it's Chris Dodd! We were just talking about ya..."

Also a bad commercial, but it's not AS bad... production quality is a whole lot better, though the actors are not. But at least in this case it is people who are acting are expected to have scripted lines, as it is sort of "telling a story" in the sense that it is a made up conversation in a barbershop, whereas in Ron Paul's ad it is just someone who one would expect to be a supporter telling the camera why they like Ron Paul. Which is good, IF the person saying it sounds like they MEAN what they're saying, and not just reading something. That is what makes it sounding scripted so much worse.


I think it's important to note, they could reshoot the same ad and have something worthwhile.... change the background at that one point, work on the overall quality, but most importantly, get honest comments from people in their own words, or at LEAST scripted comments from someone who can sound like they aren't reading a script (and doesn't bounce their head to emphasize words like the one lady). The basic concept of the ad is just fine, it's just the execution that was awful.

 

[fedup100]

"Are you suggesting that a government official hire people to spy on us and keep tabs on everything we private citizens say? Big brother is watching......"

No. I am saying he needs a virtual presence within his own supporters where he can be fed needed information regarding his supporters. This is now possible with the internet. That would be far better than having millions of people blow his email out of the water.

To not be responsive to his very life blood of money is a vote killer. He has very talented supporters that could have done a bang up job as far as an ad and probably done so for free.

These forums are nothing more than polls, someone from his campaign needs to know how the natives are feeling about issues that affect his ability to be elected since they are paying for it.

 

[TVMH]

Look -
the discussion itself may be annoying, frightening, irritating, obnoxious, obsequious,
disappointing, absurd, maddening, enraging, embarrassing, unenlightened,
vapid, or any otherwise emotionally negative in any number of ways,
but this kind of discussion is vitally important to ferreting out the kernels of truth
and otherwise point out any feasible improvements in the whole issue.

I won't even mention my regard for the ad,
but I will make one observation:

If the ad is as bad as people have painted it up to be (maybe it is?)
then all we need to do is pay attention to what the opposition says and writes
about it to be able to pull off something far better in the next advert.
The free publicity will at least be worth it if the neocons start a buzz
based on the advert. And all the discussion on the board would then make for a
great reservoir of wisdom with which to improve it by orders of magnitude.

If the ad is as effective as the official staff who put it together calculated,
then there wil be a flood of new support beginning shortly (3-4 days) which will make
all the wailing and gnashing of teeth rather moot (I do hope so....)

Either way, we only need a few more hours to be able to discern whether
the ad is effective or forgettable.

(Yes, I realize time is short, but a steady nerve is necessary in these situations.)

Oops - them were two observations.
Aw, nevermind...

In conclusion,
What would Ron Paul say?
"Talk about it, discuss the issues, exercise diplomacy but there is simply no need
to attack critics who represent no real threat to the campaign."
(Or perhaps you wish to consult with attorneys to determine whether or not
to start a flame war with people whose only motivation is to help the campaign)

That was fun. Next ?

Now this is a reasonable approach.

Constructive criticism is good, insulting the HQ of the campaign serves no useful purpose.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I can settle the score on "actors" vs. "real people".

I know the fellow sitting on the porch with the white goatee beard, and he's not an actor.

If you're reading Art, this is no reflection on you, or on the rest of the people in the ad, but it's still bad.

 

[TVMH]

Unfortunately I have to agree.

Such a great opportunity - everything in place - the best candidate, the grassroots activism, the money, the message: but yet it looks like the national campaign is going to BLOW IT BIG TIME. And this commercial is just another big indicator of that!

Please don't come on this forum trying to justify that piece of garbage commercial - with "they know what they are doing" - They obviously DON'T!

So now you are absolutely 100% certain that campaign HQ is incompetent?

Since you've asked others to not justify or support the actions of HQ, I will ask you to be quiet unless you have something constructive to offer (NOTE: Criticism can be constructive, but insults are not constructive in the least.)

 

[Leslie Webb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LU_e5ezL-U

Agree with mconder. You could even take the first thirty seconds of this YouTube and run it as an ad on the theme 'ordinary people support Ron Paul.' With Mr. van Doren in the YouTube we get the freedom message solid and whole cloth, and it comes across as more believable.

Part of the problem with the campaign ad is that it consists of snippets of one person's opinion, 'he wants to get us out of Iraq' pronto', and then on to the next person's snippet, 'cut government spending, ' the next person's 'protect personal privacy', etc. If the producers had taken one of the NH supporter/actors and had him or her speak for 25 seconds about why he or she liked Ron Paul the ad would probably have been better. There is too much jumping around in thirty seconds between eight different people, seven different issues and four different backdrops.

I did like the bearded man on the porch's New Hampshire accent. Put him on for thirty seconds.

 

[TVMH]

Is New Hampshire a far and distant Planet suspended in a time warp, caught between Mayberry and the Twighlite Zone? The "demographics" of this State must be very peculiar. Is Gomer Pyle still pumping Ethyl at the local Texaco Super Chief gas station? Is Aunt Bee still a registered Republican? Strange days indeed...

You've obviously never been to New Hampshire...or Maine.

 

[jabbott0]

My take on it

We are here to win. Not to get 2nd place, or 3rd place. That commercial does a disservice to Ron Paul because he hardly speaks in it at all. The only time we do see him, he isn't smiling at all. There is no "Hope for America" if he doesn't show optimism (or at least realism) for the future. Then there's the non-committed person at the beginning -- if they are trying to paint his supporters as non-committed, that is exactly what they are going to get on election day. Simply put, this commercial doesn't have an "I can win" or an "I will win" attitude. The message of freedom needs to ring clear, but all we get from this commercial is a whimper.

By the way -- the second ad is out now! Much, much better!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay4vXZWxeuU

 

[fj45lvr]

we are here to WIN WIN WIN WIN

We are in a WAR......

Put up the most LETHAL weapons in our arsenal.... chalk this up to a mistake and move forward.

There has to exist a means for these ads to have a "committee" to help sort them out so we utilize the GIFTS of the army to be the most effective.....I doubt that was the case, or we wouldn't see PHONY rhetoric in any ad for PAUL (who is the furtherest away from "phony".

 

[Channing]

For a comparison of various TV ad videos (30 seconds) go here:
http://www.ronpaulpage.com/30second_commmercials.html

Then check out the poll at the bottom.

 

[max]

but we supporters have to understand, we aren't smarter than the people who work for the campaign. They're doing superb jobs, better than any of us can do. .

thats the same line of thinking that has gotten this nation in such a mess...

deferring to the experts instead of thinking for ourselves. I agree with what Budda once said

"Believe nothing, even if it comes from me, if it is not consistent with your own common sense."

The ad screams "I'm a long shot, but I hope to "catch on" and be a top-tier guy one day.

Sorry, but the masses respect power and authority, and they vote like their betting on a horse race....not someone who concedes "i'm trying to catch on."

A better catch phrase would have been...'Ron Paul is gonna shock the political Establishment, I'm tellin ya"

And those kids should have been saying..

" Hey, did you hear about that Ron paul guy winning every post debate poll?"
"Yeah. It's amazing. He came out of nowhere and a lot of people are saying he's gonna win NH. I went to his website and really like what he hasd to say. I'm definitely voting for him"