Enough About The G-d Commercial!

[Anti Federalist]

And I'm not "being negative" but the fact is, time is running out.

We don't need to waste time recovering from a bad ad, when a good one could be done quickly and easily.

 

[ForLibertyFight]

youtube link to the ad?

 

[TVMH]

TVMH wrote:



I'm 42.

Well, you've got seven years on me.

My grandparents are dead, my parents had broadband internet access for three years before I did, they are now 64 and 62.

I hope your grandparents were able to lead full lives.

Also, I would assume that your parents have seen some of the youtube videos, so I'm guessing that won't really care much either way about the quality of the commercial.

Yes, my wife had a video production business.

Great! Maybe you could get her to shoot a commercial for free so the campaign could save some money. You should bring that up at your next Meet-up group. I know that's what I would do if I had a video production business.

Makes no difference, the spots could be "cleaned up" or re-shot using high grade production equipment in day, probably for very little cost.

Less cost will be good for your wife's business finances.

This spot is a disaster.

I still think it is geared to a specific demographic that doesn't have much exposure to Youtube, and in that regard, calling it a "disaster" is a bit much.

EDIT: I just noticed that you said your wife "had" a business. Never mind about the Meet-up. You are now free to resume complaining.

 

[d'anconia]

The only thing that I'm aware of is their request for the critics to cease and desist.

And I have a few questions for you guys:

1) How old are you?

2) Do your parents/grandparents spend as much time on Youtube as you do? (mine don't)

3) Do you understand all of the steps that are involved in producing a television commercial?

4) Were the Youtube videos you are referencing produced using television quality equipment or consumer-market electronics?

I understand that we each have our own preferences, but in the interest of maximizing our efficiency with regard to that concept, we should all focus our attention on our own arenas of influence.

Well I'm just glad the campaign got the message. I know it's only one of five but that just makes me worry even more about the next four to be honest.

I'm 21, parents and grandparents don't spend as much time as me on YouTube but I know both my parents would probably laugh if they saw that ad. Do I understand all the steps going into a TV ad? I'm not sure specifically what you mean but I took the time to make a decent ad for that Hardball TV Ad contest and I had no previous experience and wasn't getting paid to do it. I also didn't have any professional equipment either.

Sure it could convince older voters to support RP but there's no reason for it to be of the nature that it will be almost completely ineffective for other demographics. What's so hard about making one that's good for just about all ages? It's not like an old couple would see an ad where it looked candid and say "oh hey these people look too honest I'm not gonna vote for this guy".

The campaign doesn't seem to be paying much attention to detail when some of these small details could be taken care of very easily and help out the campaign even more. His grassroots support is working their butts off while his official campaign staff don't seem to be matching our efforts.

I mean have you guys seen Mitt Romney's ads? They look good AND they would work for the older generation(s)...

Listen, I know you don't want to hear any complaining but I don't see anything wrong with discussing this sort of stuff. I'm just saying there's no reason to have it supposedly geared for one age group while at the same time turning off a different age group.

 

[Anti Federalist]

We would, all the video stuff was sold over ten years ago.

And I understand the "non-computer" demographic angle, but honestly, I've viewed it four times now, keeping that in mind, and it just keeps getting worse.

 

[LibertyEagle]

15 seconds of searching found this one.

30 second spot, professional, much much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvzUiOtaFr0&NR=1

I personally cannot stand this version of the ad. The screeching kid saying Conshtutushun, is horrible.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well I'm just glad the campaign got the message. I know it's only one of five but that just makes me worry even more about the next four to be honest.

It would have been hard for them to have not. I mean, there have been probably 20 different thread started here, not to mention all the rude comments on YouTube.

I am embarrassed. Not of the ad, but of the so-called supporters' behavior.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Romney's ads are good, very slick and I'm sure the Ghoul's will be as well.

We don't need slick, we need the message, presented in a positive, NH centric light.

Simple, cheap, effective.

C'mon, we got more degrees than a thermometer within this campaign, both "official" and grassroots.

Someone could come up with something better.

 

[TVMH]

Well I'm just glad the campaign got the message. I know it's only one of five but that just makes me worry even more about the next four to be honest.

I'm 21, parents and grandparents don't spend as much time as me on YouTube but I know both my parents would probably laugh if they saw that ad. Do I understand all the steps going into a TV ad? I'm not sure specifically what you mean but I took the time to make a decent ad for that Hardball TV Ad contest and I had no previous experience and wasn't getting paid to do it. I also didn't have any professional equipment either.

My point is that a Youtube video would not make for a high-quality television feed.

Sure it could convince older voters to support RP but there's no reason for it to be of the nature that it will be almost completely ineffective for other demographics. What's so hard about making one that's good for just about all ages? It's not like an old couple would see an ad where it looked candid and say "oh hey these people look too honest I'm not gonna vote for this guy".

People are not going to make up their mind after watching a commercial. They are going to watch it, file that information away, and remember the name "Ron Paul" when they hear the words "constitution" and "liberty".

I would challenge anyone to measure the effectiveness of the commercial with regard to name recognition against a Romney commercial. I would bet money that two weeks after viewing the commercial that no viewer could very accurately explain Romney's position on critical issues.

The campaign doesn't seem to be paying much attention to detail when some of these small details could be taken care of very easily and help out the campaign even more. His grassroots support is working their butts off while his official campaign staff don't seem to be matching our efforts.

I would be very careful with this kind of criticism of campaign HQ. Them thar jest mite be fightin' words in Texas.

I mean have you guys seen Mitt Romney's ads? They look good AND they would work for the older generation(s)...

This is addressed above. Remember, this is a battle over ideology not a beauty contest.

You guys seem to want Dr. Paul to be "cool". Well, the fact is, by modern standards, he is NOT cool. In fact, I think he's kinda dorky sometimes..but I find that to be an endearing trait, because I'm dorky sometimes, myself...just ask my wife and two daughters.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Shit...

Thirty seconds of:

Meet Ron Paul, the only real republican

Scroll his record...

Overlaid with stills of some of his rallies that are clearly in NH and show hundreds of committed and passionate supporters.

I'm Ron Paul and I endorsed this message.

Scrolling text on a screen is not read. ie. what you are suggesting, is not effective. Not at all.

 

[TVMH]

We would, all the video stuff was sold over ten years ago.

And I understand the "non-computer" demographic angle, but honestly, I've viewed it four times now, keeping that in mind, and it just keeps getting worse.

I edited my OP...I misread "had" as "has". :o

 

[Anti Federalist]

Scrolling text on a screen is not read. ie. what you are suggesting, is not effective. Not at all.

I'm not a video producer, nor a campaign manager.

But I'm here on the ground in NH, I know what my neighbors think, I've been involved in quite a few political battles here, and I'm in a line of work that requires the transmission of information to other people quickly, and in a concise manner.

And I know crap when I see it, and that's what this ad is, after viewing it five times now.

Run that ad, and it will go a long way towards making the laughing stock RP is supposed to be, at least according to the MSM and the punditocracy.

 

[TVMH]

It would have been hard for them to have not. I mean, there have been probably 20 different thread started here, not to mention all the rude comments on YouTube.

I am embarrassed. Not of the ad, but of the so-called supporters' behavior.

Bear in mind that there is a whole generation of voters that have "come of age" on the internet where one can say whatever one wants in relative anonymity.

I don't entirely blame young people for their behavior...I blame their parents!

 

[Anti Federalist]

TVMH wrote:

I edited my OP...I misread "had" as "has".

I read your updated reply.

And I'm done complaining, I've got overpass waves to do tomorrow.

But that spot still sux.

 

[TVMH]

I'm not a video producer, nor a campaign manager.

But I'm here on the ground in NH, I know what my neighbors think, I've been involved in quite a few political battles here, and I'm in a line of work that requires the transmission of information to other people quickly, and in a concise manner.

And I know crap when I see it, and that's what this ad is, after viewing it five times now.

Run that ad, and it will go a long way towards making the laughing stock RP is supposed to be, at least according to the MSM and the punditocracy.

But don't you understand that we are already the laughing stock? We have been since the campaign started.

This is a limited market ad.

Maybe it's even a reverse-marketing ploy...show an amateurish video, generate a buzz, get made fun of nationwide as we already have been doing...and what is happening during all of this?

People are hearing the name "Ron Paul".

It's one ad. HQ is aware of our feelings toward it. We could go on and on debating the virtues and vices of this single ad, but I'd rather not.

 

[fj45lvr]

Probably the most important thing you can do for Paul

Help them see that this "supposed" tv commercial is TERRIBLE.

I cannot for the life of me think how anyone could actually believe this thing would be positive unless they believe the audience is some how brain-damaged to degree.

This is VERY important, MARKETING, what this portrays to people in my opinion is that Paul has to get ACTORS (bad ones at that) to speak out a script which could be a script for ANY politician. Paul is better than that because he is not just "any politician"......

Please, if there are "ears to hear" let them know that this will NOT work to endear people to anything let alone find "hope for America".....let's actually hear something from Paul himself or quotes from our fore fathers over OBVIOUSLY scripted "compliments" by what looks like poor actors.

This is the whole shebang and MARKET COMPETITION should prevail....FREE markets should BRING the "best" and "innovation" and this is waaaayyyyy below even average.

I am sorry if this hurts somenone's pride or discretion but honestly this gives me a NEGATIVE feeling towards the candidate if I didn't know Paul from Adam (which is his situation precisely).

Dear LORD save us. Amen.

 

[Razmear]

Well I think the ad is fine as an intro to Ron Paul add in NH. It states his positions on many issues, and even tho it looks like an ad for The Money Store with the coffee shop endorsements I think it will do the job for those folks who are not on the web already looking up Ron Paul.

The only downside I see to the ad it that it only mentioned Ron's name 3 times. Some of the pronouns could have been replaced with Ron Pauls, but otherwise its a great first ad for New Hampshire. And yes I've seen most of the YouTube ads and although those who made the ads love em, the general public would be turned off by 95% of them.

eb

 

[d'anconia]

Well I'm from Southern California and someone has informed me that New Hampshire is quite a bit different from the stuff that I'm used to so I hope they're right. Either way the campaign is fixing up the video so I guess they've heard us loud and clear and should be taking care of things.

I'm done complaining about this for now. Might as well hush up until the next version of it is released.

 

[expatriot]

HQ is aware of the feelings of those that are bothered by the 30-second clip on Youtube.

And unless any of you have done any market research in NH, then I suspect you know less about making commercials for a limited NH TV market than does campaign HQ.

I propose that the best thing to do is let new threads about this commercial die without response.

PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS POST.

Look -
the discussion itself may be annoying, frightening, irritating, obnoxious, obsequious,
disappointing, absurd, maddening, enraging, embarrassing, unenlightened,
vapid, or any otherwise emotionally negative in any number of ways,
but this kind of discussion is vitally important to ferreting out the kernels of truth
and otherwise point out any feasible improvements in the whole issue.

I won't even mention my regard for the ad,
but I will make one observation:

If the ad is as bad as people have painted it up to be (maybe it is?)
then all we need to do is pay attention to what the opposition says and writes
about it to be able to pull off something far better in the next advert.
The free publicity will at least be worth it if the neocons start a buzz
based on the advert. And all the discussion on the board would then make for a
great reservoir of wisdom with which to improve it by orders of magnitude.

If the ad is as effective as the official staff who put it together calculated,
then there wil be a flood of new support beginning shortly (3-4 days) which will make
all the wailing and gnashing of teeth rather moot (I do hope so....)

Either way, we only need a few more hours to be able to discern whether
the ad is effective or forgettable.

(Yes, I realize time is short, but a steady nerve is necessary in these situations.)

Oops - them were two observations.
Aw, nevermind...

In conclusion,
What would Ron Paul say?
"Talk about it, discuss the issues, exercise diplomacy but there is simply no need
to attack critics who represent no real threat to the campaign."
(Or perhaps you wish to consult with attorneys to determine whether or not
to start a flame war with people whose only motivation is to help the campaign)

That was fun. Next ?

 

[fj45lvr]

If the ad is as bad as people have painted it up to be (maybe it is?)
then all we need to do is pay attention to what the opposition says and writes
about it to be able to pull off something far better in the next advert.
The free publicity will at least be worth it if the neocons start a buzz
based on the advert. And all the discussion on the board would then make for a
great reservoir of wisdom with which to improve it by orders of magnitude.

If the ad is as effective as the official staff who put it together calculated,
then there wil be a flood of new support beginning shortly (3-4 days) which will make
all the wailing and gnashing of teeth rather moot (I do hope so....)

Either way, we only need a few more hours to be able to discern whether
the ad is effective or forgettable.

(Yes, I realize time is short, but a steady nerve is necessary in these situations.)

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We don't have the luxury of using poor ads as attempts to get better IMHO we have little time and we have to "come from behind". Paul is a phenominal Congressmen and I think he deserves a better vehicle to communicate to the people that he wants to restore the republic and LIBERTY.

1) if this poor ad is what our donations are being used for you can expect them to slow down.....brutally honest there.....we are giving to WIN. Must do better than this to win.

2) Nothing about Paul should ever appear "phony"


If avorath or other total amateurs can make a top quality you tube ad with no prior experience then where does that leave the campaign with this "fake" ad???