Gary Johnson Embarrassing Gary Johnson Political Ad

[cheapseats]

...others are so freaked out by our successful trend of restoring the GOP...

LOL.

that they spend their activism trying to muddy the waters on a forum they shouldn't even be a part of.

What is your message to people who joined Liberty Forest . . . GOOSE-STEP WITH REPUBLICANS, OR GET LOST?

 

[cheapseats]

If Paul isn't the nominee, I'll be voting for Gary. But my money and time will be spent w/i the GOP as are all my fellow RP meetup members in my part of MI. We've been busting ass campaigning for Bentivolio in this wild race going on in MI 11. The party insiders have been actively trying to sabotage our nominee in any way possible yet we aren't turning tale and running to let them win, we're putting out that much more effort to stick it in their faces.

This is FANTASTIC, for you and your peeps, in your province.

But if the "successful trend of restoring the GOP" were all that Republican Loyalists crack it up to be, Mitt Romney would not be the presumptive nominee and Rand Paul would not have endorsed him and the Machine would not be circling wagons for UNITY BEHIND ROMNEY at a convention held in a specially and strictly legislated Clean Zone.

Ground Conditions ARE local. All Liberty Lovers SURELY hope for the best for all Liberty Lovers who trudge roads that lead AWAY from Rome, so to speak. But the BIG DECISIONS that hamstring individuals and localities are still decreed by distant Equaler Than Others.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

What is your message to people who joined Liberty Forest . . . GOOSE-STEP WITH REPUBLICANS, OR GET LOST?

It's one thing to have an opinion on other ideas to promote liberty but when you actively and relentlessly attempt to derail or belittle Ron's own effort to restore the GOP, which has been working in many areas yet you laugh, that's what I call someone that doesn't have the best intentions in mind while posting here.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

This is FANTASTIC, for you and your peeps, in your province.

But if the "successful trend of restoring the GOP" were all that Republican Loyalists crack it up to be, Mitt Romney would not be the presumptive nominee and Rand Paul would not have endorsed him and the Machine would not be circling wagons for UNITY BEHIND ROMNEY at a convention held in a specially and strictly legislated Clean Zone.

Ground Conditions ARE local. All Liberty Lovers SURELY hope for the best for all Liberty Lovers. But the BIG DECISIONS that hamstring individuals and localities are still decreed by distant Equaler Than Others.

All I'm gonna say, and you know this, is that the reclamation of the GOP doesn't come at the drop of a hat. It takes people dedicated to liberty to move the party back to where it should be. This will take place at different speeds in different areas, so if you think that it's a waste of time in your area, great.

 

[cheapseats]

All I'm gonna say, and you know this, is that the reclamation of the GOP doesn't come at the drop of a hat.

I think we can leave THE DROP OF A HAT outta this.

How YOUNG are some of y'all that you think this fight is new-ish and that "baby steps" constitute "wins" for apparently-second-class Americans?

It takes people dedicated to liberty to move the party back to where it should be.

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

You disregard that OTHER Republicans do not share your specifications for SHOULD.

This will take place at different speeds in different areas...

True.

Equally true that, if yer gonna cling to two parties, REPUBLICAN ain't the one to cling to in some provinces.

D's and R's are never taken to task because of lame WHAT'RE YA GONNA DO, VOTE FOR THE OTHER SIDE rationale.

MORE THAN TWO parties is better than TWO parties. A child would understand this.

 

[Nathan Hale]

cheapseats - it seemed as though he was taking your side in the beginning...

 

[cheapseats]

cheapseats - it seemed as though he was taking your side in the beginning...

Yes, I know it appears that I am the Meanie and that Ron Paul Die Hards are hapless devotees warranting kid glove treatment in their great disappointment. "Free" State Project - "Rebel" is among "Liberty Lovers" who have taken FIRST SHOTS across the bow because I march to a different drummer. I cut him no quarter.

I am NOT prepared to PLAY NICE with people who have NOT played nice with me, AND WHO CAN DISH IT OUT BUT CANNOT TAKE IT, in order to cajole them into doing what to me is literally a no-brainer...presuming that 'Plan A' was to get Ron Paul into the White House via the Republican nomination and assuming that Plan A will not succeed.

I am not laying up for 2016. Rand wouldn't be my 'Plan B' even in ordinary times, and ordinary times these are NOT. I am not on board with the GOP TAKEOVER plot. All gains for Liberty and Justice, WELCOME. But in the meantime, I see the GOP tacking Hardright. YIKES, sayeth I.

NO WAY JOSE am I gonna play nice to nudge along begrudging, qualified, condescending "support" from Extremists who act like they're doing We The People a big favor by being less hysterical...while they steadily impugn the intelligence of others.

...If Paul isn't the nominee, I'll be voting for Gary. But...

I am at this point inclined to think that Ron Paul Die Hards pointedly NOT getting on the Gary Johnson bandwagon may actually parlay into MORE support. Ron Paul Die Hards have "strong negatives", lol.

The good news about ME is that I can GET AS GOOD AS I GIVE. I have told some Ron Paul Supporters that they HURT his candidacy at least as much as they help it. I am open-minded to the possibility that the same is true of me, my "manner of speaking", and Gary Johnson's candidacy:

I have posted in ignominy as cheapseats at Ron Paul Forums since it was called Liberty Forest, and I have posted in obscurity as MindOfMo on Twitter since before Mainstream Media glommed onto Alternative Media. I have ofttimes been edgier on Twitter than on RPF (with lighter moderation, I would add), so I do not register as MindOfMo here to distance myself from remarks made as cheapseats or to pretend not to "be" cheapseats, persona non grata at Ron Paul Forums.

On the contrary, I purposefully register as MindOfMo to link my "online presence" here with my presence on Twitter. IF I am able to help Gary Johnson, it is far FAR likelier that I shall do so via Twitter than via Ron Paul Forums.

I took the liberty of telling a few ardent Ron Paul Supporters that, after having gotten Ron Paul as far as they did...kudos all around...they were now hurting rather than helping Ron Paul, on balance.

"The Elephants and Donkeys deserve the BIRD!" certainly suggests a wider berth than is afforded by the GOP TAKEOVER scheme. Still, I am open-minded to being told (nicely) that while my willingness to help is appreciated, the "manner of speaking" about which an ironic number of self-described Liberty Lovers have voiced objection is better suited to end-game confrontation than to mere LANDSLIDE UPSET.

Landslide Upset is required to beat a rigged system, "in my humble opinion".

Winning the presidency IS Hail Mary Pass wins the Lottery stuff, right? I mean, I'm GAME...why not? Miracles definitely fall under THE MORE, THE MERRIER umbrella. I would LOVE to see both the D and the R apple carts upset AND THEIR GRAVY TRAINS DILUTED. But getting Gary Johnson into the debates is the reality-based tangible achievable goal, right?

I wouldn't say PIECE OF CAKE...but I also wouldn't say PIE IN THE SKY.

http://garyjohnsongrassroots.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2&start=40

 

[Nathan Hale]

cheapseats - before reading this post, check your profile and count the number of +reps I give you. Most of the time, I'm on your side. I think that RP Forums should be Liberty Forest, about the liberty movement, not just Ron Paul or Operation Retake the GOP. But it's not. It has evolved into a place for fans specifically of Ron Paul and his GOP plan. I accept that, even though I disagree with it. That said, I think that there's room on these boards to petition for Gary Johnson's candidacy. But do it right. What I see from you here is antagonism and anger. Hell, I'm not above anger on these boards, but only when I have trolls throwing insults at me first. Try and keep it on the level - after all, you're far more likely to get people to vote for Gary in November if you stick to the issues. I think that what FSP-Rebel said was great - he's a Paul supporter (to be expected here), who backs the Paul GOP plan (to be expected here), but he'll vote for Gary in November. We should hope that everybody on these boards approaches the issue with that same open-minded mentality.

 

[cheapseats]

cheapseats - before reading this post, check your profile and count the number of +reps I give you. Most of the time, I'm on your side. I think that RP Forums should be Liberty Forest, about the liberty movement, not just Ron Paul or Operation Retake the GOP. But it's not. It has evolved into a place for fans specifically of Ron Paul and his GOP plan. I accept that, even though I disagree with it. That said, I think that there's room on these boards to petition for Gary Johnson's candidacy.

I'm with you, and then...

But do it right. What I see from you here is antagonism and anger. Hell, I'm not above anger on these boards, but only when I have trolls throwing insults at me first.

But that is exactly IT.

You missed FSP-Rebel's opening salvo in another thread.

Fuck that for a laugh, if I have to start from scratch with people in every thread. Like jealous &/or insecure people who require constant reassurance, it's never enough. I ASSURE YOU, I did not show up at Liberty Forest posting "with both barrels" and launching the Acrimony Party. I COULDN'T have. I'da been perma-banned, rather than several times temporarily banned.

Not one or two, PLENTY of Ron Paul "Liberty Lovers" have been shit-heads to me right along. Before anyone sez AWWWW, WHAT ABOUT YOUR METAPHORICAL BRASS KNUCKLES?, I say for the umpteenth time that I am a FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE kinda person. Are we free to be different types of people, or is homogeneity the objective?

YES I KNOW, honey catches more flies than vinegar (a little something that the STFU crowd ought to have born in mind). But this is far from a clean slate here at Ron Paul Forums.

Moreover, these are supposed to be among the "best informed" of the Political Junkies, and The Moovement must make headway with the APOLITICAL. Tell the truth, is it not GLARINGLY OBVIOUS that Gary Johnson is a better choice than either Barack Obama or Mitt Romney?

In the RESOURCES ARE SCARCE paradigm, do you REALLY think that this particular subset should be HANDLED WITH CARE?

Time's a wastin'.

You and I locked horns, not altogether cheerfully, on Peter Schiff. Many (many) months later, you did not insinuate yourself into a thread expressly to insult me the way G-Wohl did. You obviously recognize and appreciate the difference...that's why you ROLL differently, yes?

Try and keep it on the level - after all, you're far more likely to get people to vote for Gary in November if you stick to the issues.

On the level? If this were about ISSUES, the only Ron Paul "Liberty Lovers" who would think Gary Johnson has cooties would be the Abortion Hysterics.

There is all KINDSA bad blood surfacing. That's what bad blood does.

Ron Paul Devotees and Republican Party Loyalists are NOT the only Americans with skin in the game. America is not THEIRS, with the rest of welcome to participate only insofar as we PLAY POLITICS the same way they do.

 

[Nathan Hale]

Yeah man, but his salvo was *in another thread*. I like to keep the war to a single thread and "start over" when I meet that person again. If everybody held a grudge from thread to thread nobody here would be speaking to each other!