Elliot Rodger, like nearly all young killers, was taking psychiatric drugs (Xanax)

[eduardo89]

It probably has more to do with him being a psychopath that him taking drugs for anxiety and panic attacks.

 

[eduardo89]

Add in the fact that this type of incident is on the rise, and you have to look at what has changed lately to cause that. Video games? Goofy television shows showcasing psychos? False flag fakery?

Makes SSRIs look like the most likely culprit to me.

Xanax is not an SSRI.

 

[specsaregood]

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[eduardo89]

IIRC, jeffrey dahmer was a big pothead.

He was also an alcoholic. Is there a correlation between mass murderers and drinking alcohol?
He was also a homosexual. Is there a correlation between mass murderers and homosexuality?
He also had an unstable, emotionally troubled mother. Is there a correlation between mass murderers and unstable, emotionally troubled mothers?

He also had severe mental issues. Is there a correlation between mass murderers and mental issues/diseases?

The last one seems most likely.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

What exactly are you correlating with? Last I checked there were dozens of murders in the US every single day. Are you correlating with all of those killers? Or just the ones that get media attention and kill unrelated people? I wonder how many of these murderers had tried/done marijuana recently, maybe its the pot that makes them do it. IIRC, jeffrey dahmer was a big pothead.

I think its is likely that in our modern culture, people with mental issues that are prone to commit these types of acts will be put on drugs before they commit the acts. More so than it is the drugs causing them to commit these acts.

I don't think causing is the right word. Seems to me that many of these drugs make the connection to reality more brittle, making it somewhat more likely for a psychopathic break to occur. That they maybe stabilize someone's day to day perception of the world, but (failing to deal with the underlying issues driving the psychosis) the dissonance will build up pressure and contribute to a larger psychopathic break in the future. Without the underlying psychopathy there would not be a break to trigger in the first place, medicine or no. So I think it comes down to "what came first, the chicken or the egg?"

And no, I am talking specifically about the sensation-seekers, not every murder. Shoot up a schoolyard or snipe 12 people in a town, or some bizarre serial killer. The ones specifically driven by fundamental mental defect. I believe there are many more mentally defective people than there are those who are drugged; and if SSRI's did not contribute in some way to the prevalence of these sensation crimes, then more of them should have appeared by now that have not been taking this specific class of psychotropic drug.

Sure, it is far more likely that they are being drugged nowadays than 50 years ago, but there are still PLENTY of undrugged psychopaths, so these undrugged psychopaths should, reasonably, carry their fair share of the bizarro-murder stats. They don't. There are only a handful of conclusions that can be drawn from that. "Suicide and violent ideations" is a known SSRI side effect.

My understanding is an SSRI can prevent a hundred 'tiny' psychopathic breaks in a year, but if the underlying psychosis is left untreated it can also lead to a gigantic psychopathic break after a couple years. Which would explain why all but 1 or 2 of these sensation murderers in the last 25 years were on some kind of SSRI drug. They used a drug to 'kick the can down the road' until it blew up into...something awful.

 

[Schifference]

Maybe the mental illness exists because there is little hope. When I was a kid everyone had a decent job and hardly anyone had a college degree. People worked at factories and stayed there for their entire career. Nowadays there are college graduates that cannot find work and the future job market for many is cheap part time employment. There is little hope. People used to be able to find a job doing anything so long as they showed up for work and the individuals that picked up things quickly were easily promoted.

I would have to think that all the violence from television, movies, video games has had some effect on people also. I don't know. When I was young shows like Leave it to Beaver, Dick Van Dyke, I love Lucy, Hogan's Heroes and such were the diet for viewers. I think that The Wild Wild West was cancelled because it was too violent. Ha ha those old TV shows didn't even let married people share the same beds. Never any foul language. Today little toddlers are exposed and have access to very violent entertainment at their fingertips.

The other day my kids were sent home early from school. Someone had written something on a desk like, bomb will go off at 10:37 or something like that. The school was evacuated and kids were sent home. This is not a new problem. When I was in grammar school my older siblings were in HS and I remember several times they got sent home early. I would ask, "why you home early?" they would say, "there was a bomb scare."

In the mid/late 1960's we still had black & white TV and going to the moon was the news. With the technology we have today the entire country/world can pick up on incidents that would have never been known before. Of course the MSM chooses to ignore police brutality and spin the loss of liberty into a for your safety and to protect you propaganda sitcom.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Xanax is not an SSRI.

Xanax is hard to come by. They don't just hand it out as they do other pills.

Before they prescribe you that, you have to go through the laundry list of other drugs. Many of those are SSRIs and SSNRIs. Six week trials to try to find something that works.

 

[Philhelm]

Sure, it is far more likely that they are being drugged nowadays than 50 years ago, but there are still PLENTY of undrugged psychopaths, so these undrugged psychopaths should, reasonably, carry their fair share of the bizarro-murder stats. They don't. There are only a handful of conclusions that can be drawn from that. "Suicide and violent ideations" is a known SSRI side effect.

I agree. I have wanted to murder people for over thirty years, but I don't take any pills and have been able to bide my time.

 

[dannno]

Xanax is not an SSRI.

Xanax is usually paired with an SSRI for those with anxiety and depression and he likely took them at some point either beginning at age 8 or age 13. We don't even know if he stopped taking them or was still taking them before it happened, they haven't released his prescription history.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I agree. I have wanted to murder people for over thirty years, but I don't take any pills and have been able to bide my time.

LOL somehow though I kind of doubt you are a sociopath...much less a psychopath.

 

[specsaregood]

And no, I am talking specifically about the sensation-seekers, not every murder. Shoot up a schoolyard or snipe 12 people in a town, or some bizarre serial killer. The ones specifically driven by fundamental mental defect. I believe there are many more mentally defective people than there are those who are drugged; and if SSRI's did not contribute in some way to the prevalence of these sensation crimes, then more of them should have appeared by now that have not been taking this specific class of psychotropic drug.

All those people doing suicide bombings around the world, attention seekers no doubt, how many of them you figure are on these types of drugs? I'm guessing not many.

 

[dannno]

All those people doing suicide bombings around the world, attention seekers no doubt, how many of them you figure are on these types of drugs? I'm guessing not many.

Ok, I suppose you could be right, watching your entire family get slaughtered right in front of you may be as bad or worse than taking SSRIs.

 

[Philhelm]

LOL somehow though I kind of doubt you are a sociopath...much less a psychopath.

Even if I were a sociopath, it's not like I've incinerated an infant's face with a flashbang. Hell has a certain majesty, after all.

 

[eduardo89]

Ok, I suppose you could be right, watching your entire family get slaughtered right in front of you may be as bad or worse than taking SSRIs.

How many suicide bombers have had their entire family slaughtered in front of them? I'm guessing the majority haven't, but rather are naïve and easily manipulated by chickenhawks who are too scared to carry out their sick plans themselves. Sound familiar?

 

[dannno]

Um, I'm really sorry guys, I should have been more on top of this.. but since I just found out I thought I'd throw it out there for everybody who already knows how this shit works.

Coincidentally, the shooting took place the same day as SBCC celebrated its graduation ceremonies and just one day before the campus was slated for a massive emergency-preparedness drill by multiple public-safety agencies in case of some hypothetical disaster. That disaster, tragically, was not nearly hypothetical enough.

http://independent.com/news/2014/may/24/isla-vista-shooting-echoes-david-attias/


I must have skimmed that article too fast the first time :/

 

[dannno]

We don't know that he never took them, I don't think his prescription history has been released.

Now released:

At age 15, he was prescribed Xanax and Prozac. A year later, he stopped taking the medications regularly. He also took Paxil as needed, for instance if he was going to a party. In a journal entry, Rodger wrote that the pills made him feel too drowsy and tired so he would “have to rely entirely on my mind and positive thinking” to overcome his shyness.

www.independent.com/news/2015/feb/20/elliot-rodger-report-details-long-struggle-mental-/

 

[Anti Federalist]

Color me "unsurprised".

 

[Philhelm]

It could be the fact that people taking these pills have serious issues and it might be that these people are more likely to commit these acts rather than the pills causing the act.

Which calls into question the value of the pills to begin with.

 

[rg17]

The Isla Vista shooting like most shootings are a hoax.

 

[misterx]

Isn't psychosis actually listed as a side effect of antidepressants? I thought it was generally accepted now in the medical community that they can cause it. I think drugs, the increasingly isolated nature of modern society, and violence in the media, are all factors contributing to the problem.