Edward Snowden: Living in Russia Is 'Great'

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Edward Snowden: Living in Russia Is 'Great'

http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/edward-snowden-living-in-russia-is-great-20150108

Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden wants his critics to know that living is Russia is "great" and that, despite reports to the contrary, he doesn't need alcohol to enjoy his time there.

"Mike Hayden, former NSA, CIA director ... was talking about how I was—everybody in Russia is miserable," Snowden told journalist James Bamford, according to a transcript of an interview released Thursday. "And I'm going to end up miserable and I'm going to be a drunk and I'm never going to do anything. I don't drink. I've never been drunk in my life. And they talk about Russia like it's the worst place on earth. Russia's great."

Snowden's interview, which contained no new revelations about government spying, took place last June in a Moscow hotel room and will air soon on PBS. The discussion largely focused on U.S. cyber capabilities, but Snowden's favorable comments toward Russia are likely to again irk many of his critics, some of whom have suggested he has been sharing U.S. secrets with the Russian government.

This is not the first time Snowden has appeared to speak approvingly of the increasingly pugilistic country, which spent the better part of the past year chilling its relations with the U.S. after invading part of Ukraine. Last spring Snowden made a surprise appearance at an annual telecast with Russian President Vladimir Putin to ask if the country engaged in mass surveillance of its citizens.

The query gave Putin a chance to refute the suggestion without further challenge, giving the exchange the markings of choreographed propaganda. Snowden later defended the question as an attempt to challenge Putin on surveillance matters.

In the new interview, Snowden also spoke at length about the U.S. being poorly equipped to handle cyberattacks from foreign governments or from sophisticated hackers due to the intelligence community prioritizing offensive capabilities at the expense—and sometimes detriment—of defensive schemes.

"We're creating a system of incentives in our country and for other countries around the world that mimic our behavior or that see it as a tacit authorization for them to perform the same sort of operations," Snowden said. "We're creating a class of Internet security researchers who research vulnerabilities, but then instead of disclosing them to the device manufacturers to get them fixed and to make us more secure, they sell them to secret agencies."

Snowden pointed to the U.S.'s use of the so-called Stuxnet virus in 2010 to cripple an Iranian nuclear facility as an attack that "started this trend" of governments launching aggressive cyber campaigns against one another.

Snowden has been living in Russia since he fled from Hong Kong following his disclosures in June 2013 of intimate details of the NSA's sweeping surveillance programs, including its bulk collection of U.S. phone-call data. He was briefly marooned at a Moscow airport after the U.S. revoked his passport, a standoff that ultimately led to Russia granting him asylum for year, a move widely seen at the time as a further strain on the U.S.'s tense relations with the country.

In August of last year, Russia extended Snowden's asylum by granting him a three-year residency permit. Snowden's longtime girlfriend moved to Moscow to live with him in July.

Several of Snowden's supporters, including former Rep. Ron Paul, have called on the Obama administration to grant Snowden clemency—a suggestion that has routinely been dismissed by senior officials, including Attorney General Eric Holder.

Snowden has said that he cannot return to the U.S. under current espionage law, which he believes would afford him "no chance" of a fair trial, though he has frequently said he misses his home country.
 
Snowden did the right thing. The public did not. They still do not seem to give a shit about Privacy or Rights what so ever, which only goes to show how powerful the brainwashing of the MSM has had on those who stand to lose the most.
 
Yes, because Snowden's supposed to just trash talk Russia because it's probably guilty of many of the same crimes as the US.

Russia granted him asylum where the US instead hunted him down as a traitor. Why wouldn't he speak favorably of one while railing the other? Besides, he's simply being a good guest in Russia. Snowden knows far more about the US, so it makes sense for him to be a critic.

Wish I could get all that through the skull of the common man, but they're insidiously thick.
 
Yes, because Snowden's supposed to just trash talk Russia because it's probably guilty of many of the same crimes as the US.

Russia granted him asylum where the US instead hunted him down as a traitor. Why wouldn't he speak favorably of one while railing the other? Besides, he's simply being a good guest in Russia. Snowden knows far more about the US, so it makes sense for him to be a critic.

Wish I could get all that through the skull of the common man, but they're insidiously thick.

It's also quite possible that he actually likes living there.
 
It's also quite possible that he actually likes living there.

I agree with the above poster. We'll probably never really know. If I was living under the direct surveillance of Putin, I certainly wouldn't be trash talking Russia. Also, if I was Putin, it would be in my best interest to make Snowden a very satisfied guest.

I'm still a big Snowden fan, I just understand the pickle that he's in.
 
Drudge puts that up to piss off the McCarthyists who still fear the Ruskies and Cubans.
 
Why would he bad-mouth the country that's hosting him? You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
 
Exactly like i have seen it in some other forums "Russophobia"

Unfortunately it works. I know a lot of people that still fear the paper tiger of communism while still supporting globalism. The Republican party is where well-meaning people give up their ideas about the constitution and instead choose to become the new Roman empire.

McCarthy was one of the worst celebrity govt agents that ever existed. He saved us from no threat but you'll still find stupid mother fuckers on this site defending him.
 
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I was in the car yesterday as the idiot Beck was interminably whining about how Snowden was now officially a traitor because he said life in Russia was great.

What, pray friggin' tell, would anyone with an IQ higher than single digits expect him to say about life in Russia? If we assume he is not just a monkey playing his part in a presentation for the giant wad of first-world idiots who seem to thrive on grandly moronic political drama, then would it not be a no-brainer to immediately infer that Snowden is pretty well compelled by self-interest to praise his host nation?

All the griping about this reminds me of people who stupidly go on about how Hitler was a "failed artist" and a shitty author. For such people, there is nothing positive to be said about him. Even his superlative demagoguery is discounted by labeling it only as "evil", refusing to give credit even to him, where due. He was indeed a lousy military leader, but he was the penultimate demagogue and he should be recognized for it. But any such cede is viewed by those blindly hating as some sort of praise of the man, which it certainly is not in most cases. Such people are consumed by their hate, which is their right to be, but it exposes them as less-credible because of it.

Is Snowden feeding Russia US secrets? Who knows? It would not surprise me if he were, but once again who could blame him? If we are to believe that Snowden is what is generally asserted, he took his shot in presumed regard for his home in the hope that it would change things for the better. He is now under threat of his very life and the thread by which that life hangs is in the hands of Russia. Under the assumption that Russia is a real and true adversary, which may be assuming too much, anyone smarter than an idiot is going to know that Putin & Co. have given sanctuary in exchange for at least some of those secrets, in advance. I cannot say that I blame either of them. I may not like the fact, all else equal, and I may not like the ultimate result in my own life; but I cannot blame anyone for having acted in what they felt was their own better interest at the time, much as some part of me might be otherwise moved by emotion.

Snowden's longtime girlfriend moved to Moscow to live with him in July.

This bit leads me to wonder. On the one hand, we have a government that not only disregards the Constitution whenever it pleases, but has the false-yet-vastly-sweeping power of PATRIOT and NDAA behind it. Either of these must certainly provide Themme the ability to prevent Snowden's girlfriend from leaving the USA for "national security" reasons. Why would Theye just let her go like that? Theye have demonstrated beyond any argument to the contrary that they do not give a whit about public opinion. When Theye want something, they take it, public opinion be damned.

What, then, is the girlfriend deal really about, I wonder? I cannot imagine that this does not matter to Themme. After all, Theye are petty in such matters beyond the human ability to measure that small. I cannot believe they would allow such an element of the enemy's comfort to rest, unchallenged.

I would also wonder about the woman herself. I can barely imagine that her flight would not hold certain repercussions for her, were she ever to return to the States. Is her love so all-consuming that she would unilaterally up and move there, unbidden? Perhaps, but how likely is that? Did she go for the money? :)

One other thought: the revelations that were flowing like wine not that long ago now appear to have stopped. Has anyone considered the possibility that Russia itself may be behind this? "Comrade Snowdyen, pleasink to stoppink revealink Amyerikanskiy secrets to voorld. Doze secrets now propertyiy of Russia. понимаете, товарищ?"
Take care when making your assumptions about this Snowden thing because we really don't know much about the man, the larger context, the truer motivations of the players, etc. Perhaps things are as they appear. Perhaps they are not.
 
Snowden did the right thing. The public did not. They still do not seem to give a shit about Privacy or Rights what so ever, which only goes to show how powerful the brainwashing of the MSM has had on those who stand to lose the most.

There is much repworthiness in this ^^^^^.

Just consider with some depth the fact that they tyrant has been "grievously exposed". America, in response, remained still at a time when the NSA chief should have been found mysteriously hanging from his neck under Blackfriar's bridge.

Consider this: could the events surrounding Ed Snowden have been engineered by larger and less visible hands? Yes yes... another conspiracy, but what is one more in a world choking on them? This is by no mean implausible and not even unlikely. In fact, I would give it about even odds as being the likely root basis. Why? What if some brilliant analyst came to Themme and said, "time to test the limits of the waters, and this is how we do it..." Theye wanted to gage public tolerance of their tyrannical acts. This is the smart thing PRECISELY because such information as Snowden's cannot be 100% guaranteed safe from unwanted leaks. Rather than neurotically obsess about how to contain things that cannot be quite completely contained for any of a number of reasons (like, there's just way too much of it), put some of it out there and see how the public reacts. If they go apey, you pull back. If not, you leak a little more - a little bigger - and see what happens. Rinse and repeat until the threshold is approached, then shut off the spigot completely. Is this not what has apparently happened? Where are the hundreds of thousands of revelations? I admit I am not paying strong attention to this as I have more important things in my life, but I think even I would have heard had Eddie leaked a little more. I would also point out that doubtlessly much of the information he pilfered has a shelf-life, yet the oracle is gone dark. Hmmmm...

The other benefit to this approach is further conditioning of the mob to make normal in their minds such activity. This has been going on openly for decades and it has greatly successful. Why would anyone think it is not happening here, as well?

Even if this was not sourced by Themme, i.e., Snowden is exactly that which he appears to be, Theye still benefit so long as the American people do not go over the tipping point.

Now consider this: why has Snowden not endeavored to push the American people over that point? If his goal was really to affect positive change (vis-à-vis "hope and change"), why not just shoot the whole wad and let the chips fall where they may? He went so far in his derring-do... why no farther? Why, all of a sudden, the apparent fear for his own fate? Did he not realize what would befall him before he made his move?

If he is that smart, he has to know that the dribs and drabs method is not buying him safety. If Russia is REALLY his champion, then he is as safe as he can be, under the circumstances, regardless whether he releases it all, in dribs, or not at all. So why not let the feathers fly? Could it be because there is nothing else? Or could it be that he is a controlled asset, loosed upon the world for purposes other than what appear to be the case?

I have no answers, but I surely can come up with some decent questions, and as they come, things seem to get muddier.
 
Who on this site defends McCarthy?

McCarthy was 100% correct in every accusation he made. Literally, every name on his list turned out to be Kremlin assets. Every last stinking one of them.

He had the Monster by the balls. What would anyone think his fate could possibly be, having attached himself in so unwelcome a manner to so great and vicious a beast as that? Hello?

That said, his methods of dealing with the truth may have been questionable, but one cannot argue with the basis of his actions.

Therefore, the McCarthy deal is not an all-or-nothing affair. There are both positives and negatives to take away from it, rather than all negatives as so many people seem to foolishly decide.

I recognize the undisputed fact that everyone on his infamous little list was a traitor to the American people. Venona proved this beyond any doubt. I also recognize that McCarthy went off like a paranoid tyrant himself, all good intentions notwithstanding. But one should also consider the era in which he acted. We'd only just beaten down Hitler and Hirohito and the cost was pretty staggering on all sides. In the wake of the most appalling war to date, the filthy Soviets had acquired US design specs on nuclear weapons (thank you Ft. Monmouth) and was actively and openly threatening to annihilate America. What, pray tell, was anyone supposed to do about this? it is easy for us to armchair the situation with the benefit of 62 years of hindsight, but I wonder what any of us would have done had we been in his place at that time, knowing what he knew? Remember that the American people turned against him because they did not know what he knew. The truth was very effectively withheld from Joe Meaner and the propaganda machine did its thing with great alacrity - so much so that the lies and bullshit about McCarthy not only persist to this day, but seem to evoke the same level of hatred as they did back then.

If your better interests are important to you, it then behooves one to put the brakes on the gut responses and start using the brain as something more than a hat rack. :)
 
Has Snowden changed his mind? http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...o-jail-time-if-u-s-lets-me-come-back-home.htm

Snowden: I'll do jail time if U.S. lets me come back home

It appears National Security Advisor whistleblower Edward Snowden wants to come home to the United States. After over a year in hiding in the Russian capital, Moscow, Snowden says in a interview he would be willing to do prison time if he were allowed to return to his native country. The latest comes as his visa in Russia has run out and his status remains in limbo.

The NSA has demanded Snowden's extradition back to the U.S. over his involvement in the leaking of classified American government documents that revealed a massive surveillance operation by the NSA.

Snowden has not kept quiet during his time in Russia, continuing to lash out at the NSA as well as other international players, including Russia. In a national television appearance, Snowden questioned Russian President Vladimir Putin over surveillance of his country's citizens.
 


Ope, I knew we'd see zippy around this topic. See, he tried to tell me Snowden was unhappy in Russia about three days ago, and posted an article that said Snowden wanted to come back to the U.S., about 6 months old.

Of course, the CIA, and NSA, zippy's gods, if not employers, want you to think he is unhappy. Well, they'd rather you think he was being tortured now, like we all know Bradley Manning was, but unfortunately, he is in Russia, so the best they can do is say he is unhappy. :( Yes, Snowden fucked with the NSA and CIA, and is happy with his life, and his decision, and there is nothing the sadists at the NSA and CIA can do about it. I guess they'll just have to settle for torturing more Ay-rabs.
 
There is much repworthiness in this ^^^^^.

Just consider with some depth the fact that they tyrant has been "grievously exposed". America, in response, remained still at a time when the NSA chief should have been found mysteriously hanging from his neck under Blackfriar's bridge.

Consider this: could the events surrounding Ed Snowden have been engineered by larger and less visible hands? Yes yes... another conspiracy, but what is one more in a world choking on them? This is by no mean implausible and not even unlikely. In fact, I would give it about even odds as being the likely root basis. Why? What if some brilliant analyst came to Themme and said, "time to test the limits of the waters, and this is how we do it..." Theye wanted to gage public tolerance of their tyrannical acts. This is the smart thing PRECISELY because such information as Snowden's cannot be 100% guaranteed safe from unwanted leaks. Rather than neurotically obsess about how to contain things that cannot be quite completely contained for any of a number of reasons (like, there's just way too much of it), put some of it out there and see how the public reacts. If they go apey, you pull back. If not, you leak a little more - a little bigger - and see what happens. Rinse and repeat until the threshold is approached, then shut off the spigot completely. Is this not what has apparently happened? Where are the hundreds of thousands of revelations? I admit I am not paying strong attention to this as I have more important things in my life,

Like writing long winded bull shit on Ron Paul Forums, apparently.
Why be educated, when you can just spout off ignorant opinions and educated guesses?
 
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