Ebola 660 Fatalities of 1093 Infected; MERS 327/850 Fatal

[specsaregood]

If you do find a deadly illness whose mode of transmission is through clothing, onto latex gloves, then back through the next person's clothing... we've got way bigger problems than the TSA.

you have clearly never seen the people of walmart site.

 

[Acala]

Funny you mention that. Right after I read that there was a newsflash about a guy with TB who refused treatment and was on his way to Brazil - they said it would have to go through the courts to keep him away from the public... I think pandemics and the legal system run at different speeds, especially when you cross International borders...

-t

If all property were private, people would have more control over their immediate environment and who they are exposed to . . .

 

[FindLiberty]

you have clearly never seen the people of walmart site. ***EDIT: SNIPPED eeeeew!***

Holy smoke, that's a 3rd degree burrito burn!

 

[James Madison]

If you do find a deadly illness whose mode of transmission is through clothing, onto latex gloves, then back through the next person's clothing... we've got way bigger problems than the TSA.

Sweat or vomit -- even in microscopic amounts -- can spread Ebola. Any clothing is considered 'hot' because trace levels of fluid could be present.

 

[TheCount]

Sweat or vomit -- even in microscopic amounts -- can spread Ebola. Any clothing is considered 'hot' because trace levels of fluid could be present.

You've still got two other barriers to transmission you still have to explain - the latex gloves and the clean clothing of the second (third, fourth, etc) person.

 

[James Madison]

You've still got two other barriers to transmission you still have to explain - the latex gloves and the clean clothing of the second (third, fourth, etc) person.

The latex gloves are easy. TSA agent with hot gloves scratches his nose / rubs his eyes. Gloves transmit particles to molestee, who wipes an apple on his shirt before eating it.

 

[TheCount]

The latex gloves are easy. TSA agent with hot gloves scratches his nose / rubs his eyes. Gloves transmit particles to molestee, who wipes an apple on his shirt before eating it.

The most unusual transmissions I've found have been a person autopsying a primate who had ebola, and another who accidentally pricked themselves with a needle they'd just used to intentionally infect a lab animal. Do you have anything to back up that your suggested mode of transmission is possible?

 

[FindLiberty]

If it's a virulent disease, it's a great place to spread it around "barriers"!
It's not an operating room environment subject to using sterile technique
to prevent infection, gloves are used only to protect the TSA examiner.
Infected person to next person is very likely.
The TSA technique may have some gaps too...

TSA examiner checks a woman's purse contents (She had just put on a new gloves)...
TSA examiner gropes around / pats down another woman's clothing (same glove)...
TSA examiner almost pokes finger up some attractive woman's butt (same glove)...
TSA examiner pokes finger up next skinny person's butt (same glove)...
She pauses for a moment, pushes her glasses up her nose (while wearing that same glove)...
TSA examiner pokes finger halfway into next woman's vagina (same glove)...
TSA examiner checks next woman's purse contents (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes around / pats down another woman's clothing (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes around inside some sweaty woman's clothing (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes another woman's breasts (same glove)...
TSA examiner hits talk button on her way radio, requests duty relief for lunch (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes child and pats down clothing (same glove)...
TSA examiner stops for lunch (removes glove) goes to washroom, washes hands...
then she looks into the mirror, pushes her glasses up on her nose again...
and eats her lunch (it's a chicken salad sandwich, quite tasty too).
TSA examiner returns to station, hits talk button on her 2-way radio, "I'm back from lunch".
TSA examiner puts on clean pair of gloves and then pushes her glasses up her nose...
TSA examiner checks next woman's purse contents...
TSA examiner gropes around / pats down another woman's clothing (same new glove)...
TSA examiner gropes another woman's breasts (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes child and pats down clothing (same glove)...
TSA examiner gives crying child a tissue after eyes tear up from the "touching" (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes around / pats down another woman's clothing (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes another woman's breasts (same glove)...
TSA pauses for a moment, pushes her glasses back up her nose (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes another woman's breasts (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes another child and pats down clothing (same glove)...
TSA examiner gropes around / pats down another woman's clothing (same glove)...

You get the picture...

 

[James Madison]

The most unusual transmissions I've found have been a person autopsying a primate who had ebola, and another who accidentally pricked themselves with a needle they'd just used to intentionally infect a lab animal. Do you have anything to back up that your suggested mode of transmission is possible?

Until 2014, there's been around 2000 cases in nearly 40 years. Those cases were in remote parts of central Africa. I really doubt those patients were buying plane tickets.

 

[presence]

Do you have anything to back up that your suggested mode of transmission is possible?

When they bury bodies there is a man that walks behind them to the burial site and sprays disinfectant on their footprints.
When researchers do experiments the mandated level of biosecurity is the highest of all infectious agents like working with smallpox.
WHO and CDC sites both state that sweat is contagious.
The governments in the effected regions suggest greeting people without shaking hands while the outbreak is ongoing.

What else really needs to be said?

 

[TheCount]

When they bury bodies there is a man that walks behind them to the burial site and sprays disinfectant on their footprints.

Citation needed.

When researchers do experiments the mandated level of biosecurity is the highest of all infectious agents like working with smallpox.

Because of the mortality rate.

WHO and CDC sites both state that sweat is contagious.

No, neither site has the word 'sweat.' They do say secretions, though.

The governments in the effected regions suggest greeting people without shaking hands while the outbreak is ongoing.

Scientists say the same thing about the flu and other viruses in general. The fist bump is a recommended alternative.

What else really needs to be said?

Something less doomy.

 

[presence]

Citation needed.

google image search: bury dead ebola

Every image contains 3 people handling a corpse and one man spraying sanitizer on everything they touch including their footsteps.... there was a youtube I can't find it presently.

Because of the mortality rate.

Ebola viruses are highly infectious as well as contagious.

No, neither site has the word 'sweat.' They do say secretions, though.

Sweat is a secretion of the sweat glands. Its contagious. Don't touch ebola victims.

Scientists say the same thing about the flu and other viruses in general. The fist bump is a recommended alternative.

7. How should I greet people, if the hand shake is not recommended?
Hand shaking should be avoided as it is a risk during the outbreak or before a potential outbreak. You can greet people by waving to them or acknowledge by shaking your head.
-Seirra Leone Ministry of Health
http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/printer_200525509.shtml


Halting the spread of Ebola: Stop handshake -WHO recommends

http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=319066

Something less doomy.

“The disease is beyond the scope of any one country, or community to defeat,” Sierra Leone’s President Ernest Bai Koroma said
http://www.ibtimes.com/ebola-epidem...ncy-liberia-announces-national-action-1644558

Doctors Without Borders: “[The outbreak] can only get worse, because it is still spreading, above all in Liberia and Sierra Leone, in some very important hotspots," Janssens said. “We are extremely worried by the turn of events, particularly in these two countries where there is a lack of visibility on the epidemic. If the situation does not improve fairly quickly, there is a real risk of new countries being affected.”
http://www.ibtimes.com/ebola-outbre...adly-virus-west-africa-need-more-help-1644122

The Peace Corps announced on Wednesday that it was removing volunteers from Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone after two Peace Corps volunteers in Liberia were isolated after exposure to the Ebola virus,
http://www.ibtimes.com/ebola-peace-...ountries-after-two-are-exposed-deadly-1644042


North Carolina groups, SIM in Charlotte and Samaritan's Purse in Boone, announced Tuesday they are bringing some of their missionaries home because of the growing Ebola outbreak in West Africa.
http://www.wfmynews2.com/story/news/local/2014/07/29/nc-missionaries-ebola-evacuation/13348119/

Ebola treatment centers in Liberia have been overrun by the sick and the dying. In a desperate effort to contain the virus, the government has shut schools and closed many borders, but they admit it's too much to handle on their own."Our government has declared this now as a humanitarian crisis that is above the control of the national government,"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-spreads-in-west-africa-liberia-pleads-for-help/

The UN says 729 people in West Africa have died of Ebola since February
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28579890

"This epidemic is without precedent," said Bart Janssens, director of operations for Doctors Without Borders, also known as Médecins Sans Frontières, a group of medical workers nursing victims through the disease as it runs its course. "It's absolutely not under control, and the situation keeps worsening."
http://www.channel3000.com/health/ebola-outbreak-will-get-worse/27240196


NPR story suggests that people in these countries tend to travel more than those in Central Africa (where outbreaks usually occur). That may have helped the virus disperse geographically, and it made it difficult to track down people who might be infected.
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/29/594551...mptoms-africa-facts-guinea-nigeria/in/5712456


social stigmas and a lack of awareness may lead people to not seek medical care (or even avoid it). Another often-cited problem is that some people have had direct contact with victims' dead bodies during funerals and preparations for burial, which can spread the disease. In many ways, how well a country dealS with Ebola comes down to basic health care and public education

Some people are afraid that medical workers are causing Ebola, and workers "have been threatened with knives, stones and machetes, their vehicles sometimes surrounded by hostile mobs," according to the New York Times.

Does Ebola really make people bleed from their eyes?

Yes. Bleeding from orifices is one of the more unusual and memorable symptoms of viral hemorrhagic fevers like Ebola. In later stages of the disease, some people bleed from the eyes, nose, ears, mouth, and rectum. They may also bleed from puncture sites if they've had an IV.
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/29/594551...mptoms-africa-facts-guinea-nigeria/in/5712456

 

[presence]

July 30th RT News:

A German hospital in Hamburg agreed to accept patients


following a request from the World Health Organization (WHO), Deutsche Welle reports. Doctors assure that the utmost precautions will be taken to make sure the disease does not spread during treatment. The patients will be kept in an isolation ward behind several airlocks, and doctors and nurses will wear body suits with their own oxygen supplies that will be burned every three hours.

http://rt.com/news/176628-eu-ebola-high-alert/

The university clinic has made six beds available in a segregated part of the facility. In this isolation unit, no liquids, gases or particles in the air can reach the outside world.

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Since cleaning the suits is difficult, they are incinerated after use.

http://www.dw.de/treating-the-ebola-virus-in-hamburg/a-17821225

 

[Demigod]

where my free market solutions at?

Fire

 

[presence]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/health/ebola-isolation-treatment/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia

announced Thursday that it expects to receive a patient with the Ebola disease within the “next several days.”

http://time.com/3067816/emory-university-ebola-patient-isolation-unit/

“There is the potential that the actual movement of the patient could do more harm than the benefit from more advanced supportive care outside of the country.”
Emory University Hospital says it is well-equipped to handle any patients it does receive. “Emory University Hospital physicians, nurses and staff are highly trained in the specific and unique protocols and procedures necessary to treat and care for this type of patient,” the statement says. “For this specially trained staff, these procedures are practiced on a regular basis throughout the year so we are fully prepared for this type of situation.”

Flight en route to Liberia to evacuate Americans infected with Ebola

long-range business jet with an isolation pod left the United States for Liberia, where it will evacuate two Americans infected with Ebola.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/health/ebola-outbreak/

 

[presence]

Fire

 

[presence]

International health experts are preparing to

into West Africa to fight the raging outbreak of Ebola virus,
and say they are confident they can keep it from spreading to countries like the United States and eventually stamp it out.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...break-not-cards-u-s-cdc-director-says-n169836

 

[FindLiberty]

Contagious? Well, it's going to be even harder to keep a lid on all these good ideas...

I especially like the "business jet with an isolation pod" and overall confidence that they can contain it better back here in the USA. (I know how this is supposed to go, "for better TREATMENT here in the USA", but in addition to not finding a cure, it will get lose somehow and wipe out the entre lab staff first...)

This is going to play out like a sci-fi movie. Maybe it is all a plot to cull and control the population.

Looking at the first photo in post #52, I imagine it's a established custom to plant a nice fruit tree seedling over the grave... (just a little something for the fruit bats to munch on while the infection cycle gets ready start over again).

 

[Lucille]

REPORT: Ebola Detection Systems Deployed in US
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2014/07/report-ebola-detection-systems-were.html

On April 8th Congress was informed by the the Department of Defense that because of emerging threats JBAIDS hemorrhagic fever assays have been deployed to National Guard units of all 50 States.

“By partnering with the U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command and the Food and Drug Administration, we have made accessible additional diagnostic assays for high consequence, low probability biological threat agents for use during declared public health emergencies. This collaboration has facilitated the availability of viral hemorrhagic fever diagnostic assays for use during a declared emergency and adds previously unavailable preparedness capabilities to this fielded system…

To address the need for a near term capability to combat emerging threat materials, we have already provided Domestic Response Capability kits to the National Guard weapons of mass destruction civil support teams resident in all 50 states. These kits provide emerging threat mitigation capability that includes detection, personnel protection, and decontamination.”
[...]
I find the lead DOD involvement here, rather than the Center For Disease Control, very curious.

 

[presence]

ATLANTA — The first of two American aid workers infected with Ebola while working in West Africa arrived in the United States

on Saturday aboard a private air ambulance specially equipped to isolate patients with infectious diseases and was quickly admitted to a hospital here.


The jet carrying Dr. Kent Brantly, who is believed to be the first patient with the virus ever to be treated at a hospital in the United States, landed at Dobbins Air Reserve Base around 11 a.m.
With news helicopters flying overhead, a police-escorted ambulance carrying Dr. Brantly arrived less than 90 minutes later at Emory University Hospital, which has a containment unit for patients with dangerous infectious diseases. The unit was built more than a decade ago with consultation from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has its headquarters nearby.

Not long after the ambulance pulled into a service entrance at Emory, it left the hospital, its driver wearing a white hazardous materials suit. Security was tight at the hospital: Ahead of Dr. Brantly’s admission, law enforcement officers were posted around the building, and a police canine unit performed an inspection.



This is the first time the unit will house patients who are truly infected with a dangerous disease.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/us/kent-brantley-nancy-writebol-ebola-treatment-atlanta.html?_r=0