E-Cigarettes - Get around Tobacco laws and can legally smoke inside of bars / clubs!

[Magicman]

While I was looking at several sites, an ad popped up I saw which featured some videos of these people smoking "electronic cigarettes".

This sparked my curiosity, the ad mentioned that that you could use them inpubs and bars, and it got around loopholes about smoking indoors.

What the ad features was an electronic atomizer that atomizes glycol, and nicotine in whatever concentration you want (depends on the cartridge), and they have different flavors as well, and even no nicotine. Don't quote me on this but a cartridge lasts about the same as a pack of cigs, and 5 carts is like 8 bucks. The start up kit is more costly its around 70 bucks. But you'll end up paying a lot more for a normal pack of cigarettes then the cartridges in the longrun.

So all youre inhaling is vapor and nicotine, which it seems like a much healthier alternative and safer than smoking alone. There also is no second hand smoke so it won't bother anyone else or leave an unpleasant smell in the household.

This seems like this is the future of smoking and possibly "the next big thing" as people get annoyed when they have to go outside to smoke with the tobacco laws, and now they can just chill inside and smoke when they want. Here's the website that I just bought some starter kits from.

www.smokestikusa.com

I found a coupon code from the ad too if anyone's interested. Use smokefreedom in the checkout. I saw a discount of 10 bucks off the starter kit and 1 dollar off a 5 pack of carts. Not sure if it works on anything else.

Heres also a brief article on the health and safety impact as well..

http://www.healthzone.ca/health/article/600906

This article shows that nicotine doesnt cause cancer its actually the tar that does the damage.

Do you guys think this will catch on and become a big part of pub life now that the law is working against us?

 

[specsaregood]

Interesting. It looks like they took the idea of the nicotrol inhaler to another level.
http://www.rxzone.us/product.cfm/rx/Nicotrol-Inhaler-10-MG-With-Cartridges-168-685958.html
Which I know a few people that have successfully quit using those.

But what is most interesting is that you need a prescription to get the nicotrol inhaler, but not for these things? I wonder how that works....

 

[Magicman]

Interesting. It looks like they took the idea of the nicotrol inhaler to another level.
http://www.rxzone.us/product.cfm/rx/Nicotrol-Inhaler-10-MG-With-Cartridges-168-685958.html
Which I know a few people that have successfully quit using those.

But what is most interesting is that you need a prescription to get the nicotrol inhaler, but not for these things? I wonder how that works....

Well, it looks like this was featured on the news as well!

YouTube - SmokeStik on Fox News

 

[zach]

Here's something that might be of interest to those wanting to quit without feeling deprived of a cigarette; or, you can use it wherever you want that's considered "non-smoking" because no smoke is emitted from it: it's a fake cigarette.

http://www.quitsmoking.com/ezquit/index.htm

 

[tangowhiskeykilo]

Got it for my dad for christmas. hes smoked for 20 years. hasnt "smoked" in 4 months now.

 

[krazy kaju]

Why wouldn't you just buy a vaporizer and vaporize tobacco? Seems a lot easier and possibly cheaper.

 

[kpitcher]

So you go from one item with known health issues to another with unknown health issues? However since there isn't any 2nd hand smoke - my annoyance about being around smokers - and it's just for the individual using it... fine with me.

 

[OptionsTrader]

The irony will be when the FDA does not allow this, and you can still buy the ones that cause cancer.

 

[Elwar]

Ok, I just purchased an e-cigarette for my wife after doing a few hours of research on which types people like.

Basically there are three parts to it...the long part is the rechargable battery with the LED at the end that lights up when you inhale. The middle part is the vaporizer which creates the vapor and the end piece is the cartridge where the nicotine and flavor is stored.

I read a lot of good reviews of the DSE901 which appears to be popular, which makes it a good choice for getting refills and replacement parts. I bought a white one because I figured it would make it easier for my wife to transition to one that looked like a cigarette, but they have black, stainless steel, pink, etc...

The manufacturers push the cartridges and want you to buy more when you're done but there are plenty of bottles of liquid sold that you can just drip into the cartridge to refill the flavor and nicotine. There are different levels of nicotine, 24mg, 18mg, 12mg, 10mg, 0mg. In theory you're supposed to start cutting back on the nicotine levels if you want to quit.

Also, since it's so easy to "smoke" and you can use it anywhere and it doesn't "burn up" like a regular cigarette, people find themselves sucking on the thing a lot more than they regularly did with cigarettes. So a concious decision needs to be made in order to limit the amount of puffs, otherwise you can just go for hours sucking in the nicotine.

But a lot of people were saying that they have no desire for regular cigarettes anymore because they prefer the flavors (chocolate, cola, mint, etc) and no longer like the taste of the tobacco cigarettes.

My wife has tried everything out there to try to quit (do not sleep with the patch on!). The closest thing to work was the Chantix but the first time she tried it we ran out just as she was getting there. The second time it didn't work. The gum burns her stomach and she just ended up smoking with the patch on.

 

[dannno]

Why wouldn't you just buy a vaporizer and vaporize tobacco? Seems a lot easier and possibly cheaper.

These things are more portable and actually look more like cigs.

The cheaper vaporizers you have to plug in, and I don't think you could get away with using them in restaurants, or bars or clubs for that matter. It's easy to have the heat go just a little to high and have the material start to burn.

The more expensive portable electronic vaporizers I've seen cost more than these e-cigs.

 

[Elwar]

Oh ya, forgot to mention that the startup kit that I bought was $56 with shipping (about the price of a carton of cigarettes these days). I also bought 4 sample bottles of flavoring for $30 with shipping.

 

[fisharmor]

I see there are no smokers or ex-smokers piping in.

You don't smoke for the nicotine, YOU SMOKE FOR THE SMOKE.

Moreover, you don't quit because it's bad for you. You quit because a) you realize that you have no reason to be afraid of what you'll become after you quit, and b) you find the proper motivation to become that person.

There's a guy at my church who got treated for pancreatic cancer last year, and he's going in for chemo now that it's in his lungs... and he's still doing half a pack a day. He hasn't been motivated, and he won't be quitting.

A lot of people go cold turkey because they found the motivation, and they can suffer for a day or so (you're over the physical addiction in like 24 hours). Other people (like me) use stuff like the patch to get over that first hump.

But after that, gadgetry isn't going to help. If you still want to smoke after the second day, you haven't quit. And since the whole point of smoking is the smoke, they're not going to help in bars, either.

 

[dannno]

Oh ya, forgot to mention that the startup kit that I bought was $56 with shipping (about the price of a carton of cigarettes these days). I also bought 4 sample bottles of flavoring for $30 with shipping.

Where'd you get it?

I'm actually thinking about getting a starter pack for a friend of mine who has been trying to quit, not to mention his lungs are in terrible shape. I'm not finding any starter packs that cheap, but if I do, want to make sure it's not going to just break or something.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oh ya, forgot to mention that the startup kit that I bought was $56 with shipping (about the price of a carton of cigarettes these days). I also bought 4 sample bottles of flavoring for $30 with shipping.

There are a couple of things being talked about in this thread. Which specific one are you referring to in your posts and where did you buy it?

Thanks.

 

[Ninja Homer]

You can find anything you'd want to know about e-cigs here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com

$50 + shipping is pretty much the going rate for most starter kits (depending on the model you choose, of course). The dse901 has been around for a while, and it's a popular choice. The biggest problem with the dse901 is the batteries don't last very long (as in they go dead and unrechargeable within a month), so a lot of people will use "USB passthroughs" as a power source.

A starter pack isn't really enough to start, unless you really just want to try it out a little first. Atomizers burn out occasionally, so you want to have some extras. You need some extra cartridges. You can buy just the nicotine juice and refill the cartridges yourself (a lot cheaper, a better quality of juice, and more selection of flavors). A lot of the e-cig sellers say that a cartridge lasts as long as a pack of smokes, but really they only last for 5 cigs worth or so.

The FDA is coming down on some of the manufacturers that claim their product is a "safer alternative" or a "smoking cessation device". A lot of these manufacturer's products are being held by customs, but usually just the big shipments that are going to suppliers. ALL e-cigs are made in China, so they all need to be imported somehow. Your best bet is to order from a supplier located in the US, because then you're ordering a product that has already made it through US customs and you shouldn't have a problem receiving it. Puresmoker.com is probably the current most popular US supplier. They've had some growing pains as demand has risen a lot faster than supply (FDA intervention in trade does NOT help) so they're often out of stock on different things.

Anyway, if anybody's interested in e-cigs, I'd suggest looking around at http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com first. There's lots of reviews, videos, tips, mods, supplier discount codes, etc.

 

[Elwar]

I bought the kit at http://yourlastcig.com/ (I bought the Mini E Cig Starter Kit) it's not as popular as some of the other sites with more selections but this one came in white. But most of the DSE901s came in black.

Try: http://www.puresmoker.com

As for the "You smoke for the smoke", the e-cigarettes have a vapor that acts in the same way as the smoke so in theory you get the same feeling, though of course I haven't tried it. The battery is used so that when you start to inhale it triggers the burner to burn off the vapor (the same stuff used in smoke machines) which combines with the nicotine and flavor to give you the effect.

The place I did most of my research was here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/

lots of people discussing e-cigs...

 

[fisharmor]

As for the "You smoke for the smoke", the e-cigarettes have a vapor that acts in the same way as the smoke so in theory you get the same feeling, though of course I haven't tried it. The battery is used so that when you start to inhale it triggers the burner to burn off the vapor (the same stuff used in smoke machines) which combines with the nicotine and flavor to give you the effect.

Well, just some more personal testimony to explain...
I "quit" over three years ago. I've had four or five cigarettes since I quit, at big parties or events.
In the first drag, I'm reminded exactly why I smoked for seventeen years.
By the last drag, I'm reminded exactly why I don't smoke any more.

I smoked - and still have one once in a while - because it tastes good. That doesn't sound so stupid when you think about coffee, Guinness, blue cheese, or caviar.

That's why smokers have their own brand, and why they won't smoke someone else's unless it's an experiment to see if they like them, or they're jonesing.

The nicotine is the reason I quit. It's a monkey on your back making you do something you enjoy about ten times as much as you would if you didn't have to. It's like if you started having sex twenty times a day - pretty soon you'd get sick of it.

The tastes are very specific - to the point where sometimes a Camel man won't touch Marlboros (unless he's jonesing) even though they're two of the most similar brands out there.

So I suspect that the flavor they're adding is probably analogous to playing MIDIs to a symphony director.

Try it out, if you like: all I'm saying is that I wouldn't invest money in the company.

Personally, I don't understand why someone hasn't figured out how to de-nicotine tobacco, like they decaffeinate coffee. That'd get millions of ex-smokers like me to the point where they would go out and party once a month, smoke a half a pack, and then put it away for the rest of the month. Six packs a year is more profit than zero.

 

[gb13]

Personally, I don't understand why someone hasn't figured out how to de-nicotine tobacco, like they decaffeinate coffee.

They have... Quest brand cgarettes was a company that came out a few years ago that offered three levels of reduced-nicotine cigarettes (medium-nic, low-nic, and nic-free). The same company came out with Omni brand cigarettes which had vastly reduced levels of various carcinogens.

Pretty sure they went out of business... Go figure.

 

[theinlawjosie]

Hey everybody! This is my first post outside of introducing myself in the welcome forum. I just wanted to touch on what fisharmor posted. I have been a smoker for about 13 years and I agree that tastes are very specific, in fact I am a Marlboro man and I have always said that if Marlboro stopped making their full flavor's (reds) I would stop smoking. Having said that, I have visited the e-cig forums and read quite a bit about the product and it has helped a lot of people stop smoking. Some say you have to get used to not having the cloudy feeling in your lungs (which hits on your "you smoke for the smoke"), some say they started using the e-cig alongside their cigarettes and some say they didn't enjoy it at all. My point is that everybody is different and what works for some may not work for others.

You say that you don't quit because it's bad for you, but that is exactly why I want to quit. I have no other reason to want to quit, I enjoy smoking. I am not afraid of what I will become after I quit because I will be the same person I am today. The fact that some people dislike those who smoke doesn't provide me with any motivation. I am a VERY considerate smoker and If someone is shallow enough to dislike me simply because I smoke that's their loss, there is a LOT more to me than Marlboro's.

What I'm getting at here, is that if I can get an e-cig and have the possibility of extending my life and letting my children keep their dad around for a few more years why shouldn't I? If somebody wants to quit smoking for their health (and I believe a lot of people do) and this device will help them do it I think it's a wonderful thing and we shouldn't be trying to persuade that person from doing so. Just my opinion, take it fwiw.