DUI Check Points And Demanding Council?

Sorry to disappoint you. Just because you don't understand a concept or you refuse to do a little research doesn't place me under any obligation or responsibility to do it for you. :)
Translation=no friggin' idea.
 
I didn't think you had any idea. Thanks for owning up to it. (Have another drinky... ;))
 
(Have another drinky... ;))

It was a translation of your inane reply.
And no, I haven't had a drink since 2007, but after celebrating that night I drove home 60 miles through a thunderstorm.(under the influence)
See , I do learn.
 
Why'd you give it up? You probably made more sense when you were drunk, judging by some of your posts.

But seriously, congratulations for being 4 years sober.
 
Why'd you give it up? You probably made more sense when you were drunk, judging by some of your posts.

But seriously, congratulations for being 4 years sober.

Congratulations? for what?
I'm friggin' broke and have little to celebrate.

I got nothing against having a drink.
 
Broke for the last four years and you can still afford a computer and an internet connection? Well, at least you live in the Upper Peninsula of freaking Michigan, so ya got THAT going for ya.
 
Ya I don't necessarily agree with the laws in the first place, but beyond that I don't see any reason why someone shouldn't be able to turn the battery of the car on to say, listen to the radio.. as long as the engine isn't on they aren't going anywhere..

Here in NC the keys have to be in the ignition or a witness has to put the driver behind the wheel while the car was running. We had a man drive off the road so drunk he could not even get out of the car. When the trooper got there the keys were not in the ignition and nobody saw him drive off the road. Sitting behind the wheel and couldn't even talk just a minute or 2 from passing out. Trooper said " as much as I want to, if someone didn't see him driving there's nothing I can do". So we called him a ride.
 
Broke for the last four years and you can still afford a computer and an internet connection? Well, at least you live in the Upper Peninsula of freaking Michigan, so ya got THAT going for ya.

yeah. and it has been sub zero weather. And I heat my home with wood I cut and split because I can't afford oil for my furnace.
The computers were bought several years ago, before I moved back to Michigan.

The ISP is cheap and comes with the Phone line. My wife has SS and a part time job at Walmart.
We have a very limited income.

But at least I am not paying Income tax.
 
Yup. The worst part about sub-zero weather for me (other than freezing your nads off) is the damn static elctricity shocks. Can't stand em.
 
Sorry to disappoint you. Just because you don't understand a concept or you refuse to do a little research doesn't place me under any obligation or responsibility to do it for you. :)

Just because something is law, does not make it just or logical. Yes, some states have ruled that even sleeping in a car while drunk, so long as there is possession of the keys, is considered to be "in control of the vehicle." Of course, this is illogical, and does not fall in line with the intent of DUI laws to begin with. A vehicle that is not in motion is not a threat, even if a person sitting in the vehicle is drunk. It sounds like you think that it's a good law.
 
It sounds like you think that it's a good law.

Yes, I do think it's a reasonable law, and by his description of events PCOSMAR deservedly received a summons for DUI under it and had the opportunity to plead his case. He writes that he doesn't drink anymore (since 2007), so maybe he can manage to live the rest of his life without another one. That would be nice, and I wish him the best up there in the UP.

Do you not think a law such as this in your own state is a good one? If not, why not? And, if you feel it isn't a good law, then what have you done to challenge it and have it possibly overturned? Have you gotten involved in the democratic process and excercised your right to petition?

A lotta bitching on this website about "bad laws" but not much "activism" going on. Get INVOLVED, Sheeple.
 
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Yes, I do think it's a reasonable law, and by his description of events PCOSMAR deservedly received a summons for DUI under it and had the opportunity to plead his case. He writes that he doesn't drink anymore (since 2007), so maybe he can manage to live the rest of his life without another one. That would be nice, and I wish him the best up there in the UP.

Do you not think a law such as this in your own state is a good one? If not, why not? And, if you feel it isn't a good law, then what have you done to challenge it and have it possibly overturned? Have you gotten involved in the democratic process and excercised your right to petition?

A lotta bitching on this website about "bad laws" but not much "activism" going on. Get INVOLVED, Sheeple.

I vote against bad law at every opportunity. And write those who make bad laws. Most we have NO opportunity to vote on.
Even things like the recent "Health Care bill" are pushed through despite the vast majority of people opposing it.

And I never "Quit Drinking" . I just haven't for some time. A choice and circumstance. I have more necessary needs for the little money available.
I deserved neither of my 2 DUIs. Have never wrecked a car.
It is bad law. One more of many, Enforced by a corrupt system.
 
One of my friends was in a similar situation, but he was a little stupid as well. He left the car on, lights on, and slept in his car in front of my other friend's house. (Why he didn't sleep on the couch at my friend's house, I don't know). Neighbors call the cops, the cops slap him with the DUI. But he got the entire thing down to reckless driving. WTF??
 
One of my friends was in a similar situation, but he was a little stupid as well. He left the car on, lights on, and slept in his car in front of my other friend's house. (Why he didn't sleep on the couch at my friend's house, I don't know). Neighbors call the cops, the cops slap him with the DUI. But he got the entire thing down to reckless driving. WTF??

I think the real solution to these situations would be to pass legislation that any policeman or judge may stop any person on the street and demand cash from them. Let's be honest - admit that this is all about money. Then, let them take what they are going to take anyway.
 
I think the real solution to these situations would be to pass legislation that any policeman or judge may stop any person on the street and demand cash from them. Let's be honest - admit that this is all about money. Then, let them take what they are going to take anyway.

+1 rep
 
I think the real solution to these situations would be to pass legislation that any policeman or judge may stop any person on the street and demand cash from them. Let's be honest - admit that this is all about money. Then, let them take what they are going to take anyway.

Made that +2 Rep -- I was thinking almost the same thing - most of the things that people get ticketed for are just money-making schemes for the local municipalities (right up there with seat-belt laws and getting a ticket for going 3 or 4 MPH over the posted speed limit)
 
Yes, I do think it's a reasonable law, and by his description of events PCOSMAR deservedly received a summons for DUI under it and had the opportunity to plead his case. He writes that he doesn't drink anymore (since 2007), so maybe he can manage to live the rest of his life without another one. That would be nice, and I wish him the best up there in the UP.

Do you not think a law such as this in your own state is a good one? If not, why not? And, if you feel it isn't a good law, then what have you done to challenge it and have it possibly overturned? Have you gotten involved in the democratic process and excercised your right to petition?

A lotta bitching on this website about "bad laws" but not much "activism" going on. Get INVOLVED, Sheeple.

I'm curious as to why you think this is a good law? I thought the whole purpose of DUI laws is to act as a deterrent against people driving while intoxicated, and to punish those that do so. How is sleeping in a car while drunk an unsafe act that puts others in danger? Also, it will likely encourage people to go ahead and drive rather than showing discretion, since they are damned either way. I really can't wrap my head around the fact that you think this is a good application of DUI laws.

As far as getting involved in the political system, I vote, discuss issues with people in an attempt at conversion, and write and call my representatives (I don't know why I ever bother though). There's only so much an individual can do, especially since there is so much corruption, and so many unjust laws. Each passing year, there are countless statutes, regulations, and court opinions to contend with. It's like playing whack-a-mole.

Then there's the fact that activism doesn't work for the most part. Those in power will do as they wish, despite the will of the people.
 
DUI laws allow people to drive under the influence. In fact, DUI laws encourage people to drive under the influence. Hypocritical twisted law that only serves to punish people in cruel and unusual ways. Anyone that thinks its ok to ruin or severely encumber someone's life even though that person did not cause damage to life or property deserves to sit in jail for a year just for the hell of it. Oh, and they also deserve to pay ridiculous sums of money in the form of insurance and licensing for good measure.

If you think DUI laws are effective at preventing driving fatalities, maybe its time you start advocating the same penalties for folks who make the conscious decision (and uninebriated decision) to KILL children and parents with their cars while using cell phones, chomping on grease dripping burgers, texting, talking, reading a map, fiddling with their radio, applying makeup, crying from depression, laughing from a good joke, SPEEDING, passing in the right lane, tailgating, driving with their brights on, or driving with faulty equipment.

Until I see advocacy against these conscious decisions that KILL innocent people by the likes of LEO's, MADD, SADD, and the individuals seeking revenge and retribution against people sleeping in their cars while DRUNK, then I will continue to consider those folks devoid of any moral or principle standing, and personally consider their message to be a joke.
 
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I had my eyes opened when I ran for Village Trustee in NW Chicago suburb back in 2003. As I reveiwed village budget documents, the village board would include in the budget process $1,000,000 as anticipated annual revenue as the Village's cut from the DUI industry. This is not including the state and county collects this si simply the municipality's portion for a village population of 42,000. They would spend this money in advance knowing their thugs in blue would meet or exceed the objective.
 
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