'Duck Dynasty' star makes anti-gay comments; GLAAD slams

[jmdrake]

Dude. You are the one comparing sinners. I'm the one talking about BEHAVIORS.

Sure. I bet you're dumb enough to believe that.

 

[otherone]

You realize that the OP in this thread is about GLAAD attacking Phil Robertson for not being a "real Christian" right? You realize that Christians typically base their beliefs on the Bible right? No, I guess not. Anyway, your hatred of bestiality is based on....? (I'm wondering since you've made it clear that the Bible isn't your standard.)

I couldn't care less about GLAAD or Phil Robertson. What I hate are self-deceiving hypocrites that make a pretense of "loving the sinner but hating the sin", yet when you scratch the surface they are just plain 'ol bigoted. Let me ask you...who's the worst sinner....the fag or the hypocrite?

 

[jmdrake]

I couldn't care less about GLAAD or Phil Robertson. What I hate are self-deceiving hypocrites that make a pretense of "loving the sinner but hating the sin", yet when you scratch the surface they are just plain 'ol bigoted. Let me ask you...who's the worst sinner....the fag or the hypocrite?

I don't know. You have a pretense of not hating the person who loves (really loves) animals but hating the behavior. So I guess you'll have to look in the mirror on that one.

 

[otherone]

Sure. I bet you're dumb enough to believe that.

You didn't ask what was the worst sin, you asked who was the worst sinner. Big difference.

 

[otherone]

I don't know. You have a pretense of not hating the person who loves (really loves) animals but hating the behavior. So I guess you'll have to look in the mirror on that one.

LOL. I make no claims of piety. I can hate whomever I choose.

 

[jmdrake]

You didn't ask what was the worst sin, you asked who was the worst sinner. Big difference.

A sinner is a person who sins. It's like saying "Who sings the best" as opposed to "who is the best singer." No difference whether you want to pretend there is one or not. And the bottom line, which you want to ignore but I won't let you, is that I wasn't saying one was a bigger sinner or the other. I was saying I didn't think one was worse than the other. You are the one to say one is worse than the other. You are projecting your on anti animal-loving bigotry onto me.

 

[jmdrake]

LOL. I make no claims of piety. I can hate whomever I choose.

Ah. So you're just trolling then. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[otherone]

A sinner is a person who sins. It's like saying "Who sings the best" as opposed to "who is the best singer." No difference whether you want to pretend there is one or not.

Thanks for owning that. At least PRB was upfront about his self-righteousness. You took a little coaxing to admit your pride.

 

[jmdrake]

Thanks for owning that. At least PRB was upfront about his self-righteousness. You took a little coaxing to admit your pride.

Trollin trollin trollin....keep those posts a flowin...act like you be knowin...troll onnnnnn.....

From what I can tell PRB is on your side of the argument, whatever that is. So you're shooting down one of your own trolls.

 

[otherone]

From what I can tell PRB is on your side of the argument, whatever that is.

In a nutshell:
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

 

[jmdrake]

In a nutshell:
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Yep. That not the same as saying all sins are equal though. But again this is all irrelevant as you are the one that's wanting to weigh one sin (bestiality) as worse than another (homosexuality).

What you miss, in taking a verse out of context, is verse 11.

11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

The point is, you have broken the same 10 commandment law regardless of which commandment you break. The ultimate wages of all sin not repented of is death. But some sins were capital crimes in the OT and others were not. No sin is a capital crime in the NT, the law of liberty making one free from the law of sin and death. That said, some sins, like causing children to spiritually stumble, earned extra condemnation from Jesus.

 

[otherone]

But again this is all irrelevant as you are the one that's wanting to weigh one sin (bestiality) as worse than another (homosexuality).

Where? I only claimed that one is no more a sinner than anyone else.

 

[otherone]

What you miss, in taking a verse out of context, is verse 11.

Bible Forum

So just what did the apostle James really mean when he said the following;

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10?

Let's look at the REST of what James wrote to get a better understanding.

Now if James, and the other writers of the bible, provided no other scriptures, it would appear that salvation was unattainable. Why? Because God is coming back to punish "sinners", and to sin is to break God's laws. If we took the above verse for face value only, along with a few others like; "For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.", or "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" it would be useless for ANYONE to have hope for salvation.

But thank God James, and the others writers, explained what they were saying. Let's start with James;

[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

So the very first thing James tells us to do is to KEEP A LAW! Knowing that NO ONE is perfect, why would James start off by telling us to keep a law? If he thinks that by breaking just one law you break them all, why would he start off by telling us to keep a law? Does that make sense? No it does not! Let's continue;

[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Now James tells us, although you may love your neighbor, if you still have respect to persons, you have still committed a sin. So although you keep the one law of, loving your neighbor, if you break ANY OTHER LAWS, you are still a sinner. So it does not matter WHAT law you break, if you break ANY law it is AS IF you have broken them all. James goes on to explain this in the following verse;

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Now let's read the next verse to see how James explains this;

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

First off notice what commandments James is referring to, but more importantly, WHO it was that gave the commandments. The "he" here is none other than Jesus, and James explains to us if a person does not commit adultery, but yet kills, he is a sinner. The same would hold true for the following;

If a person goes their entire life without killing or stealing, but they are constantly bearing false witness against their neighbor, it would be no difference than if they had spent their entire life killing or stealing. Though they kept SOME of God's laws, yet broke just one, it would be AS THOUGH they broke any of the others, NOT that they broke them all!

What James is saying here is that there are no small sins nor big sins. There is no such thing as a little "white lie"! A LIE IS A LIE!! And as far as God is concerned A SIN IS A SIN! Let's read the above verse again;

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

So is James saying you are literally braking ALL of Gods laws if you break just one? No he is not! James is saying just what he explained in the verses that followed verse 10 above; A SIN IS A SIN!!!

Now let's look at what James says next. For some reason THESE verses never seem to be quoted with the rest;

[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

So here we see James endorsing keeping God's laws. Again, why would he tell us to do so? He tells us why in the NEXT VERSE;

[13] For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Because if you know to do what God says and DO NOT, God will have NO MERCY on you when it is time for judgment!!

Now let's look at just a few more endorsements for keeping God's Laws;

Matt.19
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

John.14
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John.15
[10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1Cor.7
[19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1John.2
[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1John.3
[22] And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[24] And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1John.5
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2John.1
[6] And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Rev.14
[12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

From the very beginning of man's life here on Earth God has asked only one thing of him; TO OBEY HIM! And from Gen. to Rev. the same theme is preached; Obey God and keep his commandments.

But there will be those of you that listen to some that try to tell you it is useless to even try to keep God's laws, because THEY don't understand (1) verse!

Please go and re-read what James is telling us.

- He IS NOT saying if you break one law you are breaking ALL of God's laws!

- He IS NOT saying it is useless to try to keep God's Laws!

Think about it.....I'm sure there are those that will never murder someone, and will die NOT having done so. That person that died, and NEVER murdered anyone DID NOT break that law. So he DID NOT break ALL of Gods laws.

There are some that have NEVER stolen one item in their life. THAT person did not break THAT law, so he DID NOT break ALL of Gods laws.

But if the person that never murdered, or the one that never stole, was a constant liar HE IS A SINNER!

Did they break ALL of God's laws? No they did not! But breaking just one of them is THE SAME as breaking ANY of the others! Why? Because a SIN IS A SIN!!

I pray there will be those that use common sense and see that, just because you do not keep God's laws perfectly DOES NOT mean you are not to try to keep His commandments.

Pray and ask God for understanding and wisdom.


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[jmdrake]

Bible Forum

LOL. You're quoting Bible forums and you don't even believe the Bible? Needless to say I'm not even bothering with your trolling tripe. You are the one making a difference between sins in this thread, not me. That said, Jesus clearly condemned some sins more than others. You're a hypocrite and a troll by your own admission. Enjoy!

 

[jmdrake]

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[jmdrake]

Where? I only claimed that one is no more a sinner than anyone else.

You claimed bestiality is "deviant" behavior and homosexuality is not. I'm saying that from a biblical standpoint they are in the same category. And you've yet to give any real reason why you are saying one is worse than the other. You took the exact opposite position of "one is no more a sinner than anyone else."

 

[TER]

The word translated as sin in English is, in the Scriptures, amartia, which in Greek literally means "miss the mark". Thus, when we sin, we are missing the mark. This is the biblical understanding and correct interpretation.

Some sins miss the mark much greater then others and are more dangerous and difficult to erase. Some sins are extremely hard to stop doing and to eventually repent of. There are white lies and then there is rape and murder and these sins vary in severity and consequence.

That we all sin and miss the mark is a given, and that is why God came down so that He might restore the mark and reveal to us the mark which is Christ Jesus.

We then must listen the Him and learn from Him and imitate Him, and follow His commandments, so that we too might live in Him and living in Him, become sons and daughters of the Most High.

Prayer, fasting, and almsgiving is the prescription given to us by our Great Physician, and the medicine He gives is His Holy Spirit.

 

[jmdrake]

The word translated as sin in English is, in the Scriptures, amartia, which in Greek literally means "miss the mark". Thus, when we sin, we are missing the mark. This is the biblical understanding and correct interpretation.

Some sins miss the mark much greater then others and are more dangerous and difficult to erase. Some sins are extremely hard to stop doing and to eventually repent of. There are white lies and then there is rape and murder and these sins vary in severity and consequence.

That we all sin and miss the mark is a given, and that is why God came down so that He might restore the mark and reveal to us the mark which is Christ Jesus.

We then must listen the Him and learn from Him and imitate Him, and follow His commandments, so that we too might live in Him and living in Him, become sons and daughters of the Most High.

Prayer, fasting, and almsgiving is the prescription given to us by our Great Physician, and the medicine He gives is His Holy Spirit.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TER again

 

[PRB]

Thank you. I'm glad you do. Richard Gere is neither a rapist or a murderer though. At least not to my knowledge. So I don't get your point.

My point is, I might have my own non-biblical reasons to believe some sins are worse than others, even if I can't compare every single one to every single one, but I'm not afraid to say I am better than murderers and rapists, even if I'm a liar or cheater on my spouse.

Are you glad I do because you believe some sins and some sinners are worse than others, even if the Bible might not say so?

 

[PRB]

Are you God's accountant? Ask Him, not me. I can only be concerned with my own sin...this isn't a competition. In regards to feeling superior to rapists or murderers....good for you!
Proverbs 16:18
Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

Thanks for admitting you don't know. I hope you get what YOU want though