Drudge this pic! (Ron Paul's support 2008 vs 2012)

well, i see a total of approx. 170,000 votes MORE than 2008 at this point.
 
Romulus said:
It's hard not to think there was some serious fraud going on there.

I remember Angle was up on the polls 3+ points then lost to Reid by over 5 points. Turns out a lot of the polls machines are union run I believe...
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Wasn't their voting fraud in 08 as well?
 
SpicyTurkey said:
Wasn't their voting fraud in 08 as well?
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Las Vegas politics are as corrupt as Chicago's. It's the good ol boy network.

I rejected any 'voter fraud' claims, but if you look at the chart in the OP, I think we'd all be seriously naive to think there wasn't fraud involved.
 
Romulus said:
It's hard not to think there was some serious fraud going on there.

I remember Angle was up on the polls 3+ points then lost to Reid by over 5 points. Turns out a lot of the polls machines are union run I believe...
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If you (not you, but a general you) knew how we've involved ourselves with endlessly rigging, manipulating, stifling, or crushing most true democratic movements or elections in countless other countries throughout the last half century, what makes you think we wouldn't do it here in the Homeland?
 
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tfurrh said:
If you (not you, but a general you) knew how we've involved ourselves with endlessly rigging, manipulating, stifling, or crushing most true democratic movements or elections in countless other countries throughout the last half century, what makes you think we wouldn't do it here in the Homeland?
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After seeing the complete and utter bias of all major MSM networks, what makes anyone think they'd stop there? We are up against the machine and they have shown us they'll stop at nothing. And it does not take rigging every election, just select, key ones that matter, to try and control the outcome.

Nevada was ripe for it.
 
Romulus said:
After seeing the complete and utter bias of all major MSM networks, what makes anyone think they'd stop there? We are up against the machine and they have shown us they'll stop at nothing. And it does not take rigging every election, just select, key ones that matter, to try and control the outcome.

Nevada was ripe for it.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Romulus again.

I agree. I've not bought into any 'voter fraud' discussions in any previous states. I did get upset with the 'Santorum Surge' in IA, but I didn't think the caucus results were rigged.
 
Ron Paul's support in primaries/caucuses from 2008/2012

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1. Voting turnout was lower in 2012 than in 2008

2. I dont know off-hand how many and who was still in the race in 2008, but perhaps a large portion of Paul's votes were protest votes against the top 1 or 2 candidates. 2008 votes does not necessarily mean Paul was their favorite. There's a reason why we get more votes when candidates drop out.

3. Early morning caucus means a lot of old people and few young people. This was evident in the polling statistics.


The people here claiming that someone somehow manipulated voting totals from 1,800 different precincts is stupid plain and simple. I don't care if you're a member of RPF or not but if you seriously think someone was able to change votes in that many precincts you're out of your mind and you make the rest of RPF look dumb. Were there suspicious things in the Nevada voting? Sure, but that is not on the same scale we're talking about here.
 
On top of that, other states we did very well in 2008 we are polling at less right now. Minnesota for example. In 2008 we got 16 or 18% and right now we're in last place with what, 12%?

So if you conspiracy theorists want to stay consistent you might as well say PPP is also in on the plan to ruin Paul and is lying about their polling.


It's simply a matter of how well we did in 2008. South Carolina has HUGE increases of support from the last 4 years because 4 years ago there was no organization and we got 3.5%. You cannot simply show the numbers without the percentages and say that because we quadrupled from 3.5% to 13% we should quadruple or even double from 15% to 30+% like some of you think.
 
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Kregisen said:
On top of that, other states we did very well in 2008 we are polling at less right now. Minnesota for example. In 2008 we got 16 or 18% and right now we're in last place with what, 12%?

So if you conspiracy theorists want to stay consistent you might as well say PPP is also in on the plan to ruin Paul and is lying about their polling.


It's simply a matter of how well we did in 2008. South Carolina has HUGE increases of support from the last 4 years because 4 years ago there was no organization and we got 3.5%. You cannot simply show the numbers without the percentages and say that because we quadrupled from 3.5% to 13% we should quadruple or even double from 15% to 30+% like some of you think.
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Honest question: Have you read "End The Fed" by Ron Paul?
 
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Kregisen said:
The people here claiming that someone somehow manipulated voting totals from 1,800 different precincts is stupid plain and simple. I don't care if you're a member of RPF or not but if you seriously think someone was able to change votes in that many precincts you're out of your mind and you make the rest of RPF look dumb. Were there suspicious things in the Nevada voting? Sure, but that is not on the same scale we're talking about here.
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RonPaulForums, I sincerely apologize for making all of your members appear dumb. I was mistaken in my previous comments, by thinking this was a GD FORUM. I'm glad Kregisan pointed out how utterly stupid of me that was.
 
Just basing it on the lowest increase over 2008 percent wise(which is Florida ), our turn out should have at least been slightly less than double in 2012 over 2008 for Nevada or roughly 12,000 votes going by the trend in the chart.

At best (South Carolina) should put us about 4.5 times the turn out from 2008 or roughly 27,000 votes in Nevada, again going by the trend in the chart, which would put us inline with what the campaign in Nevada had stated just days before the caucus.


Just a few things to think about.
 
Kregisen said:
On top of that, other states we did very well in 2008 we are polling at less right now. Minnesota for example. In 2008 we got 16 or 18% and right now we're in last place with what, 12%?

So if you conspiracy theorists want to stay consistent you might as well say PPP is also in on the plan to ruin Paul and is lying about their polling.


It's simply a matter of how well we did in 2008. South Carolina has HUGE increases of support from the last 4 years because 4 years ago there was no organization and we got 3.5%. You cannot simply show the numbers without the percentages and say that because we quadrupled from 3.5% to 13% we should quadruple or even double from 15% to 30+% like some of you think.
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I don't think anyone expected to double or triple Nevada's 2008 numbers. Just the fact that there has been substantial gain in every state that some how Nevada is some sort of freak state.

If I wasn't mistaken either but didn't PPP have Ron Paul polling at 9% right before the Nevada caucus? They're real accurate aren't they.
 
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