Dropkick Murphys Release Pro-Gov Union Song & T-Shirts for Wisconsin

[the_strand]

God fucking dammit!!!! I love dropkicks, this is such a piss off!

Most Irish bands aren't too good except maybe,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnvsgWD_pAQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_BogtOg-W0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaSi2Z74Ou8

 

[BarryDonegan]

Hardcore punk rock used to be incredibly dangerous and filled with a ton of thugs back then. It still is just less of them now. All those old LA guys could throw down and fuck shit up and were tough pricks. They were fucking crazy. Punk rock used to be a place where folks like that lived, not people who think eminem is "tough".

Rage against the machine is just like fake anger and retarded hendrix/late 60s hippie retread. It's what real punk basically destroyed from 77-83.

For a little while between 1999 and 2008, the hardcore scene's violence resurged in a painful way. As someone who has lived in it all my life, it became very dangerous to go to shows when the meatheaded offshoots of straight edge who completely perverted and misunderstood Ian MacKaye's message began to assemble gangs and beat everyone at shows.

At one point, when I was living in LA and involved in the punk/hardcore scene there(2003-2005), there was constant threat of this mixed gang which was a combination of traditional drug-dealing street gangsters with a crew of straightedge kids coming and cleaning out the whole show, beating everyone. This would happen at all agers in the valley, and at one point, the Whiskey a Go Go had its windows smashed out.

I am a vocalist in a band that tours and actively participates in that scene, and I spoke out constantly against the violent gangs despite threat of violence against myself, my band mates, and with additional threat of my band being largely hated by these sizable and trendy crews.

In time, a whole generation of all ages venues were shut down after this type of violence. It's a tragedy when the punk and hardcore scene becomes a playground for thuggery. It's heartbreaking for me, because I give a lot of my life to help promote creativity in music's underground.

 

[the_strand]

Yeah I know all about that. I've played in bands too(might be a little older than yours perhaps). However that was a pretty small micro-scene that died out pretty quickly. Was more like 2001-2005. Meanwhile old school 80s bands were reforming and many are still going full speed since they have re-formed, many were around 15 years old when they started. The trend has been back to the old school hardcore punk sound the last few years. The majority of the socal hardcore punk scene from hollywood(which has tsol, youth brigade, adolescents, the vandals, etc. at the biggest hardcore punk shows) to the south bay to OC, etc. So those bands are still playing and drawing the largest crowds). Same deal from the west beach towns too, and south bay to OC. It's all still heavilly influenced by the 80s hardcore beach thugs. OC is downright filled with those old school people bringing that to the younger ones. That old school hardcore beach thug element/influence, I saw a lot that, even at things like, punk rock picnic, the slam, or any other large events. And givin that a lot of those guys/beach guys do mma fighting now, it makes it even sketchier.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHXRXSDJAzg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMDEJOoFw1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Egkzw-Tp28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-7ZEiqct8E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9K1jvNqCQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdMXxRLDRMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=junEGcbCQcE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSN459kV8MI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTBMdqf8kQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBW-v8Of_FY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVTaOnDgnjI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gUA16jpcCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqNW8ANBinM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMP1I9CQ7FI

08'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ1RecSXXZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxQW2BK4SxA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZCY7GitoSo

 

[BarryDonegan]

It's the violent ones that don't get the catharsis aspect of expression in hardcore or other intense forms of music subculture. The mosh was never about hurting someone else, it was a spontaneous, somehow-safe (as long as that guy didn't show up) expression of pent-up violent energies. At the end of the show, people go home feeling better about their lives and are probably less prone to violent outbursts in daily life. Meanwhile, it's safer on the books than football, the great American sport.

Then this archetype shows up and sees the violence and starts forming gangs and trying to restrict expression, and the violence happens. And the whole punk movement has always had to defend its own property rights, because there is a known public bias against the community. It always seems to happen when the movement as a whole gains mainstream attention. The media mischaracterizes it and the violent element crawls out looking for bloodsport.

 

[the_strand]

Well that's not how it was in the early days at all other than the "getting the energy out" thing(I do agree with that but..). In the early days, 78-83 it was about self defense and that meant using violence, no other way. These hardcore surf punks started the punk gangs thing in 78-79 in HB because they would get shit from people with long hair(70s butt rockers, hippies, etc) or from the police trying to beat them up. Then these hardcore kids took it to hollywood and ran all over those people because they treated them poorly and talked a lot of trash to them early on. They were usually sticking up for themselves and they did attack police that tried to beat them.

Btw There was no moshing, it was called the HB STRUT(Huntington beach strut).

Anyone who wants to learn about this, I REALLY recommend this primer,

http://books.google.com/books?id=7A...wAA#v=onepage&q=TSOL were more like a&f=false

It's the violent ones that don't get the catharsis aspect of expression in hardcore or other intense forms of music subculture. The mosh was never about hurting someone else, it was a spontaneous, somehow-safe (as long as that guy didn't show up) expression of pent-up violent energies. At the end of the show, people go home feeling better about their lives and are probably less prone to violent outbursts in daily life. Meanwhile, it's safer on the books than football, the great American sport.

Then this archetype shows up and sees the violence and starts forming gangs and trying to restrict expression, and the violence happens. And the whole punk movement has always had to defend its own property rights, because there is a known public bias against the community. It always seems to happen when the movement as a whole gains mainstream attention. The media mischaracterizes it and the violent element crawls out looking for bloodsport.

 

[Kregisen]

I like the dropkick murphys, but oh well. Muse is good too and is produces libertarian songs at times:

 

[ClayTrainor]