Dropkick Murphys Release Pro-Gov Union Song & T-Shirts for Wisconsin

"Music" once required some semblance of intellect and an attention span to create and appreciate, the same things required for a reasoned, intelligent approach to things like government, jurisprudence and economics.

The simplistic three-minute pop song is what we've got now. And just like all the other mass-media foisted on us by the minions of polemic leftist statism, it requires nothing more than some catchy words designed to appeal to the self-interest of navel-gazing morons.

Otherwise-decent pop musicians, such as the Dropkick Murphys, are quick to join in because it pays. Good publicity, more name recognition, more records sold. Let's face it, in one hundred years nobody will have any clue who the Dropkick Murphys were; most people don't even now. They're just trying to sell records.

And now, more than at any other time in history, throngs of people just can't wait, they're lined up and anxious to sell their birthrights for another cold bowl of porridge.
 
I think someone mentioned on here the problem with punkers confusing corporatism with capitalism too.

Most punk rockers hate corporatism AND capitalism, and hate major labels, which is safe for them, because most punk bands suck too much to ever get signed. Those that do get offers from major labels go ahead and "sell out" and sign to majors when offered....and justify it with something like "It was a tough decision, but we decided we had to work within the system to spread our important blah blah blah to the People blah blah blah...."

Hahaha, QFT. Isn't that pretty much word-for-word what Rise Against said? I'm getting really rusty, since I haven't really listened to punk in years, but...gah.

I think the reason for left-leaning musicians has to do with personality types though. Musicians and artistically-inclined people tend to be much more in touch with their feelings than their rational faculties, and that's pretty much the common thread among progressives. Once you throw in identity politics and group-think conformism (ironic in the case of punk), the whole scene is just a breeding ground for progressivism, even among so-called anarchist punks, who have essentially become parodies of themselves. I stumbled across punkvoter.com in the early-mid 2000's, and even then (when I had begun to basically consider myself a progressive-leaning liberal) I was shocked by the overwhelmingly partisan nature of the site. It was as if all it took to be punk and anti-establishment was to vote Democrat. It disturbed me, because even then it was clear to me that the Democrats, as a major party, were a seriously entrenched part of the political establishment.

Nowadays I'm more cynical, so I pretty much just expect musicians to be idiots. That's not to say they aren't verbally talented, or that they aren't clever, but...cleverness is shallow, and it's no substitute for critical thinking. Every once in a while an exception will come along, and I half-wonder, "I must be mistaken. They have to be idiots in reality; I just must not be looking hard enough." ;)
 
"Music" once required some semblance of intellect and an attention span to create and appreciate, the same things required for a reasoned, intelligent approach to things like government, jurisprudence and economics.

The simplistic three-minute pop song is what we've got now. And just like all the other mass-media foisted on us by the minions of polemic leftist statism, it requires nothing more than some catchy words designed to appeal to the self-interest of navel-gazing morons.

Otherwise-decent pop musicians, such as the Dropkick Murphys, are quick to join in because it pays. Good publicity, more name recognition, more records sold. Let's face it, in one hundred years nobody will have any clue who the Dropkick Murphys were; most people don't even now. They're just trying to sell records.

And now, more than at any other time in history, throngs of people just can't wait, they're lined up and anxious to sell their birthrights for another cold bowl of porridge.

Good theory, but you are actually very wrong. I have been a fan of theirs for years, and know quite a bit about them. They grew up on Boston to blue collar families who were members of unions. They are all blue collar guys who were part of a working class union at some point or another in their life. A lot of their earlier songs related to union blue collar workers, this isn't something new for them. I think what it comes down to in the end is that the Dropkick Murphys grew up only konwing unions, and unions are all they really know. They are actually sticking up for what they believe in, and are fighting for the working man they grew up with. Although most of us here don't like what unions do, you have to give the Murphys credit for standing up and fighting for what they believe in. This isn't some simple money scheme for them.

Check out some of the songs below for proof of their blue collar, union backed, working man lyrics before they ever got big. Great songs even if you don't agree with the meaning!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLTpK_d461w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn7F9vJXTBY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKWfnO7fhQM
 
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Good theory, but you are actually very wrong. I have been a fan of theirs for years, and know quite a bit about them. They grew up on Boston to blue collar families who were members of unions. They are all blue collar guys who were part of a working class union at some point or another in their life. A lot of their earlier songs related to union blue collar workers, this isn't something new for them. I think what it comes down to in the end is that the Dropkick Murphys grew up only konwing unions, and unions are all they really know. They are actually sticking up for what they believe in, and are fighting for the working man they grew up with. Although most of us here don't like what unions do, you have to give the Murphys credit for standing up and fighting for what they believe in. This isn't some simple money scheme for them.

Yeah, I will gladly put my own blue-collar background credentials--or ghetto/trailer park pass, if you will--up against anybody's. That doesn't mean anything to me.

The $50,000/year+benefits DMV clerk in Madison, WI and the 19-year old college freshman protesting "whatever this dude is trying to do" are not the "working man" with whom the Dropkick Murphys grew up in South Boston.

I stand by my statement, with the additional enjoinder that you follow the advice of Cesar Chavez: "Do not romanticize the poor." People can be poor, hardworking, and decent and still wind up highly misguided, as well as sell out for all the wrong reasons.
 
An interesting dichotomy is the fact that, as society becomes more "anti establishment", the establishment gets more powerful.

In the field of "pop music" which has been resting on it's "anti establishment" laurels for decades now, it has become a parody of itself, as you just noted, by becoming as conformist and "establishment" as a button down, IBM man from 1955.

Pop eats itself.



Hahaha, QFT. Isn't that pretty much word-for-word what Rise Against said? I'm getting really rusty, since I haven't really listened to punk in years, but...gah.

I think the reason for left-leaning musicians has to do with personality types though. Musicians and artistically-inclined people tend to be much more in touch with their feelings than their rational faculties, and that's pretty much the common thread among progressives. Once you throw in identity politics and group-think conformism (ironic in the case of punk), the whole scene is just a breeding ground for progressivism, even among so-called anarchist punks, who have essentially become parodies of themselves. I stumbled across punkvoter.com in the early-mid 2000's, and even then (when I had begun to basically consider myself a progressive-leaning liberal) I was shocked by the overwhelmingly partisan nature of the site. It was as if all it took to be punk and anti-establishment was to vote Democrat. It disturbed me, because even then it was clear to me that the Democrats, as a major party, were a seriously entrenched part of the political establishment.

Nowadays I'm more cynical, so I pretty much just expect musicians to be idiots. That's not to say they aren't verbally talented, or that they aren't clever, but...cleverness is shallow, and it's no substitute for critical thinking. Every once in a while an exception will come along, and I half-wonder, "I must be mistaken. They have to be idiots in reality; I just must not be looking hard enough." ;)
 
Meh, Dropkick Murpheys did a cover of one of my favorite anti-war songs.

 
An interesting dichotomy is the fact that, as society becomes more "anti establishment", the establishment gets more powerful.

In the field of "pop music" which has been resting on it's "anti establishment" laurels for decades now, it has become a parody of itself, as you just noted, by becoming as conformist and "establishment" as a button down, IBM man from 1955.

Pop eats itself.
This is one of my favorite commentaries about that trend in general (less political and more cultural, but still):
Say Anything said:
Admit it!
Despite your pseudo-Bohemian appearance
and vaguely leftist doctrine of beliefs,
you know nothing about art or sex
that you couldn’t read in any trendy New York underground fashion magazine.
Prototypical non-conformist!
You are a vacuous soldier of the thrift store Gestapo!
You adhere to a set of standards and tastes
that appear to be determined by an unseen panel of hipster judges (bullshit!)
giving a thumbs up or thumbs down to incoming and outgoing trends and styles of music and art.
Go analog baby, you’re so post-modern.
You’re diving face forward into a antiquated past.
It’s disgusting; its offensive; don’t stick your nose up at me!
:D
 
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Meh, Dropkick Murpheys did a cover of one of my favorite anti-war songs.

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” Hermann Goering
 
There really isn't a lot of good "liberty rock." There are a few punk bands that say they're conservative, most of them suck, and most of them are nationalistic. "Why should the Devil get all the good music?" - George Benard Shaw. lol..

There's a lot of pro-military country-tinged rock. (A lot of them get booked at "tea party" rallies, and on Fox News). There's Pokerface, a bar band from Pennsylvania, who hate the Fed and love Ron Paul, but are also birthers, truthers, and probably believe in lizard people from outer space, judging by their lyric sheet. Pokerface look and sound like a Bad Company cover band from 1973.



If you're gonna sound and look like you're from 1973, you really outta be as good as this band, Hog Jaw doing their pro-
Second Amendment song "Gitsum." Wanna talk about workin' class salt of the earth? These guys make Dropkick Murphys look like metrosexuals.

If you're gonna look like Lemmy Jammin' with Lynyrd Skynyrd, you better sound that fuggin good and look scary, like these guys do:

 
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And I don't really like much hip-hop, but here's some straight-up libertarian hip-hop with really intelligent lyrics. "I Own Me" by Neema V and DJ Subsonic:
 
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Meh, Dropkick Murpheys did a cover of one of my favorite anti-war songs.

Yeah, you can count on punk bands to have good anti-war/anti-state songs, its too bad they don't get the other half of the problem.

Anti-conscription song



States lies dressed up as evening news
We're tired of lies we want the truth
Brodcast by corpses courting you
We're tired of lies we want the truth
Most people they will never know
We're tired of lies we want the truth
With your or against you?
Then I am against you because you're a...

TURNCOAT! KILLER! LIAR! THIEF!
Criminal with protection of the law

In your corner
Makes me wanna
Douse myself in gasoline!
Civil servants fall in line for you
Too brainwashed to see the truth
You use anyone you can!

Welcome to 1984 and Die for Your Government are good ones too by Anti-Flag.

Two of my favorite anti-police songs:



This song comes to mind anytime I think about how apathetic and glued to the TV everyone is:

500 channels of a day-dream stimulation
helps me to resent my life and raise my expectations.
Locked into re-runs, your memories repeating,
and all your ideals seem so self defeating.
For you and yours, the pepsi generation,
and when you're discontent, you change the T.V. station,
And when you hate your life, no qualtities redeeming,
a million brainwashed zombies will always be heard screaming...

And when there is no hope,
"I'll smoke some crack, I'll shoot some dope!"
When theres no enemies,
"I sit and stare at my T.V.
and in my ignorance,
I'll be a slave and sycophant!"

And in a perfect world devoid of all temptations,
the good leftover crizack could unite the nations.
But now the war machines are mapping our destructions
with poisons over flowing in the chemical seductions.

And when there is no hope,
"I'll smoke some crack, I'll shoot some dope!"
When theres no enemies,
"I sit and stare at my T.V.
and in my ignorance,
I'll be a slave and sycophant!"

With my credit and my bank,
my mind will draw a blank.
I'll block out history,
and stare at my T.V.
For me there is no way.
500 channels waste my life away, away...


Whoo hooo, Ramones FTW!!!

I saw one of their last live performances during Lollapalooza back in '96.

RIP boys...

I am sooooooo jealous. I will never be able to see my favorite band of all time :(. Their last tour in 96 I was only 9 years old lol.
 
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There really isn't a lot of good "liberty rock." There are a few punk bands that say they're conservative, most of them suck, and most of them are nationalistic. "Why should the Devil get all the good music?" - George Benard Shaw. lol..

"Everybody knows all the best bands are affiliated with Satan" - Bart Simpson :D

There's a lot of pro-military country-tinged rock. (A lot of them get booked at "tea party" rallies, and on Fox News).

Spare me from another version of Lee Greenwood's "Proud to be an American". :collins:

There's Pokerface, a bar band from Pennsylvania, who hate the Fed and love Ron Paul, but are also birthers, truthers, and probably believe in lizard people from outer space, judging by their lyric sheet. Pokerface look and sound like a Bad Company cover band from 1973.

We'll deal with that some other time. :rolleyes:

If you're gonna sound and look like you're from 1973, you really outta be as good as this band, Hog Jaw doing their pro-Second Amendment song "Gitsum." Wanna talk about workin' class salt of the earth? These guys make Dropkick Murphys look like metrosexuals.

That was an awesome track, thanks for posting. Reminded me of this:



If you're gonna look like Lemmy Jammin' with Lynyrd Skynyrd, you better sound that fuggin good and look scary, like these guys do

"Uh huh - huh - huh, the only thing cooler than a band that gets lots of chicks, is a band that scares lots of chicks" - ButtHead :D
 
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I like the Bart and Bevis quotes. Agreed.

The new Skynrd record may seem link "America, Fuck Yeah!", but isn't. It's really good, in a way. And this song undoes that stupid "Saturday Night Special" racist anti-gun song:



And John 5 from Marilyn Manson (!) plays on this record.
 
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I'm from Boston. the union stuff is baffling to me. The irish and the jews pretty much battle it out for who can be more annoying on a regular basis, sorry. Meanwhile the mob runs rampant and people are leaving the state because of all the taxes.
 
As I said, Rage Against the Machine should rename themselves Sucking Off the Machine. Fucking hypocritical douchebags.
 
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