[Drone Attack] Massive Escalation in the Russia-Ukraine War

[ClaytonB]

Consider both to be fully backed by neoconservatives, and thus, the MIC.

What if I told you that Ukraine is part of Greater Israel? Consider that to be the goal in the eyes of many neo-conservatives. This explains the undying and fanatical support of Ukraine by neoconservatives in the US. It is identical to what support is for Israel, for many of the same reasons.

Now if you look at it from the perspective of US dispensationalist Christians, yes, they are in the dark as to this connection, although it is quite ironic as Dispensationalism and Zionism go together like peas and carrots. So they might not have the identical reaction to attacks on Ukraine that they have about attacks on Israel.

Take a look at this thread for some historical context:

Zelenskyy wants Ukraine to be ‘a big Israel.’ Here’s a road map.​

Or this:

OK.

As I pointed out above, while the CIA/neocons are able to mobilize a certain scale of US/EU/UK population for support of Ukraine, this pales in comparison to the power of the false-zionists to mobilize essentially half the planet if they want. The current fake-Israel is the fulfillment of the dreams of the Western Crusaders and, if the circumstances demand, they can mobilize practically the entire West and its larger sphere of influence to the end of a Modern Crusade (this time, for real). The neocons are playing with fire they don't understand and the fact that they think Ukraine is comparable to Israel shows just how out of their depth they really are. This is so much bigger than the American evangelical voting bloc. That's a big part of it, but only one part.

 

[ClaytonB]

They are both receiving military assistance from a super power.

Meh, OK.

We used to have these sorts of proxy conflicts during the cold war.

Yeah, I get that.

The USA is the only military super power. If you include its alliances it is considered a military hyper power.

There is no doubt that the CIA/neocons/etc. sincerely believe that. In our current condition, we really are not a superpower. Every US volunteer enlistee is worth 100 or more draftees. If the US imposes a draft to go to war with, say, Russia or China (or both, or Iran, or all of BRICS), the draftees who are brought in will be practically useless for military operations. Yes, the military has training, but when the population sinks to a certain level of degeneracy, it becomes untrainable. The US military brass is absolutely blind to this reality. This means that the US military is already operating about 90-95% of its effective capacity, with or without a draft, and it can only add another 10% of real hitting power by adding draftees. This is not true of China, Russia and Iran and most Arab countries. A draft in those countries will bring in draftees who will be able to hit hard because they are able to receive military discipline because they have not been completely culturally degenerated.

PS: There is at least some awareness of this stark reality somewhere in the USG and I infer this from the freak-out over TikTok. It's not really about censorship, they already have a million ways to do censorship if they want. It's about cultural degeneracy which China has weaponized and is pouring it down our gullet from every outlet that we will take it from them. We are culturally poisoning ourselves and China has a convoy of 18-wheelers filled with all of our favorite poisons lined up for us to guzzle down....

 

[nikcers]

Meh, OK.



Yeah, I get that.



There is no doubt that the CIA/neocons/etc. sincerely believe that. In our current condition, we really are not a superpower. Every US volunteer enlistee is worth 100 or more draftees. If the US imposes a draft to go to war with, say, Russia or China (or both, or Iran, or all of BRICS), the draftees who are brought in will be practically useless for military operations. Yes, the military has training, but when the population sinks to a certain level of degeneracy, it becomes untrainable. The US military brass is absolutely blind to this reality. This means that the US military is already operating about 90-95% of its effective capacity, with or without a draft, and it can only add another 10% of real hitting power by adding draftees. This is not true of China, Russia and Iran and most Arab countries. A draft in those countries will bring in draftees who will be able to hit hard because they are able to receive military discipline because they have not been completely culturally degenerated.

PS: There is at least some awareness of this stark reality somewhere in the USG and I infer this from the freak-out over TikTok. It's not really about censorship, they already have a million ways to do censorship if they want. It's about cultural degeneracy which China has weaponized and is pouring it down our gullet from every outlet that we will take it from them. We are culturally poisoning ourselves and China has a convoy of 18-wheelers filled with all of our favorite poisons lined up for us to guzzle down....

The US doctrine for war fighting has never been winning through numbers of soldiers.

If that were the case Iraq who had one of the largest militarys in the world would have not been overthrown in weeks.

The USA outshines the rest of the world in military capability through its arms manufacturing capability.

No country on earth comes close to the USA in making guns. Not only in quantity but in quality. Battle hardened military hardware that makes every other country look like it's in the stone age.

The USA has military secrets you wouldn't even believe are possible. Stuff that virtually violates the concept of what most people understand as real.

"The only way to achieve the impossible is to believe it is possible." Is the motto of the US military doctrine.

 

[jct74]

If I were Putin, nuke kiev asap

Help me understand the justification for nuking Kiev or why blowing up some of Russia's military planes is something that should be off-limits for Ukraine to do. I really am confused about this.

 

[TheTexan]

Help me understand the justification for nuking Kiev or why blowing up some of Russia's military planes is something that should be off-limits for Ukraine to do. I really am confused about this.

It's mostly just a question of whether Ukraine wants to lose Eastern Ukraine, or do they want the entire country obliterated through warfare.

If they want the entire country obliterated through warfare, launching attacks deep into Russia, is a good way to do that.

 

[ClaytonB]

The US doctrine for war fighting has never been winning through numbers of soldiers.

If that were the case Iraq who had one of the largest militarys in the world would have not been overthrown in weeks.

The USA outshines the rest of the world in military capability through its arms manufacturing capability.

No country on earth comes close to the USA in making guns. Not only in quantity but in quality. Battle hardened military hardware that makes every other country look like it's in the stone age.

The US is like an old body-builder who used to be 2x the size of everybody else in the room. We bashed and bruised anybody that got in our way. Then, we became an angry old drunk. The steroids dried up and we started popping painkillers like Skittles. Today, we are a ghost of the past and we get high on nostalgia for when we really were something to be amazed at. But we avoid the mirror or any form of introspection because this sagging skin-suit is no body-builder anymore.

The US is all hat and no cattle. We lost to freakin' Afghanistan for goodness sake. They don't even have an air force of any kind. And we still managed to lose with all of that shiny wiz-bang technology. We have become an absolute shame and a byword.

The USA has military secrets you wouldn't even believe are possible. Stuff that virtually violates the concept of what most people understand as real.

I don't give a hoot about any of that noise. Whatever super-duper technology the US military has, it's a literal joke from the standpoint of the Gospel. You want to talk about weapons, there are no weapons, no matter how outlandish DMT/UFO/Clowns they may be, which can stand before the power of Almighty God. It's all a joke to him, he laughs at that noise (Psalm 2). And trying to explain to people who define "real" as "I know what I seen!" is impossible for anyone but God. Blind leading the blind. Seeing, but not seeing. Hearing, but not hearing. They know "everything" and yet they understand nothing.

 

[ClaytonB]

Help me understand the justification for nuking Kiev or why blowing up some of Russia's military planes is something that should be off-limits for Ukraine to do. I really am confused about this.

As Trump said to Duh-lensky: You don't have the cards. This attack only proves that they don't have the cards. Russia has not once thrown their full weight into this conflict (and I bet they still won't even after this attack). This attack was absolutely foolish and has accomplished nothing except that Russia is going to retaliate with everything that they reasonably can without endangering their strategic position. Translation: a lot of Ukrainians are going to die. For what? So Duh-lensky can chest-bump his Azov bros? This attack was pure idiocy.

By attacking strategic bombers, Ukraine has put the US/EU/UK at real risk of a nuclear strike from Russia because, well, nuclear is nuclear. As I said above, if Russian intelligence used MS-13 to strike US strategic bombers on US tarmacs... Washington would absolutely consider a nuclear strike to be "on the table". So, if we can put it on the table, so can they. And all of that risk, just so Duh-lensky can high-five his Nazi friends?! Is it really worth it? It accomplished nothing except angering the single greatest strategic threat we have.

Russia is too smart to nuke anybody in retaliation, not even Ukraine. But non-nuclear retaliation can be an absolute bitch, and you can be sure that Russia is going to make Ukraine feel the pain 10x. I don't know how that will look like specifically, but whatever it turns out to be, it's going to be horrific...

 

[acptulsa]

All original I assure you.

I know. I can tell the difference between human thought and the synthetic swill above.

 

[Snowball]

Drones are the worst. Russia lost up to a third of its nuclear bomber fleet.
The Russian defense code calls for the use of nuclear weapons when strategic assets are destroyed by the enemy.
Unfortunately the pressure on Putin to order truly devastating blows that will incapacitate Ukraine is stronger than ever,
this means lots of civilians will be killed. It would not be necessary before, but with drones, it is. We could very well see
a nuclear bomb go off. Ukraine cannot be allowed to survive intact. At least 75% of the country has to become Russia,
with the far West going to Poland, Hungary, Romania.

 

[acptulsa]

Russia lost up to a third of its nuclear bomber fleet.

Russia is sort of denying this. Hard to tell what really happened; the truth would be somewhere between the two propaganda streams, but where?

 

[TheTexan]

Russia is sort of denying this. Hard to tell what really happened; the truth would be somewhere between the two propaganda streams, but where?

It's very unlikely they destroyed 41 bombers as they claim.

Probably like 4.

 

[Snowball]

Russia is sort of denying this. Hard to tell what really happened; the truth would be somewhere between the two propaganda streams, but where?

They are going to lowball, but it's around that number. Russia most likely can fix some of them in quick enough time where
they don't include those as destroyed. OSINT says 9, Crooke also says 9 total aircraft...

 

[vita3]

Cheap lethal drones like this are not going to go away. That's a real problem for humanity

 

[acptulsa]

Peace doesn't appear to be the agenda of the West.

"The memorandum prepared by Ukraine for the Istanbul talks with Russia rejects Moscow’s key demands for recognition of new Russian regions, neutrality for Kiev, and limitations on the size of Ukraine’s armed forces, Reuters has reported.

"The second round of talks between Russia and Ukraine, which resumed after a three-year break in mid-May, is expected to take place in Türkiye on Monday. The two sides earlier agreed that they will each present memorandums detailing their vision of how to settle the conflict.

"Reuters reported on Sunday that Kiev’s document does not include recognition of Crimea, the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, and Kherson and Zaporozhye regions as part of Russia. According to Ukraine, the current shape of the front line should be the starting point for negotiations on territory, it added.

"Kiev also insists that it cannot be forced to accept neutrality, claiming that its potential NATO membership should only depend on a consensus within the US-led military bloc, the agency said.

"Restrictions on the size of the Ukrainian military armed forces have also reportedly been ruled out in Kiev’s memorandum. However, it calls for Russia to pay reparations and for the use of Moscow’s assets frozen by the West to rebuild Ukraine, Reuters said.

"According to the agency, Kiev’s roadmap begins with a demand for a full ceasefire of at least 30 days, an exchange of prisoners in an “all-for-all” format, followed by a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky.

"Reuters noted that the demands in the Ukrainian memorandum “diverge considerably” from the terms previously voiced by Russia."

Details of Ukraine’s proposals for talks with Russia revealed – Reuters

Kiev’s demands “diverge considerably” from the terms earlier voiced by Moscow, the agency noted

www.rt.com

 

[Snowball]

Russian info which Crooke appears to be sourcing from was at 5 Tu's and 4 other craft,
but it appears if these images are real, the number is now at least 9 Tu's destroyed.

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/satellite-images-confirm-four-more-tu-22m3-bombers-destroyed-at-belaya-air-base/

 

[Snowball]

(Updated from original text 16:04): Peace talks in Istanbul collapsed after the Ukrainian strategic blow achieved yesterday, with the Russian delegation leaving stating that "Now others will speak. This is not the right time for negotiations."

The contact lasted only 1.5 hours.

The talks began shortly after 2:30 p.m.

Κατέρρευσαν οι ειρηνευτικές συνομιλίες Ρωσίας-Ουκρανίας στην Πόλη: «Τώρα είναι ώρα για πόλεμο όχι για ειρήνη»

Η Ρωσία ετοιμάζει την απάντησή της στην ουκρανική επίθεση και η επίθεση θα έχει να κάνει με τον ίδιο τον Β.Ζελένσκι

www-pronews-gr.translate.goog

 

[Snowball]

Sputnik also reports the talks ended at just over an hour.



That the Russians gave Ukraine a two-part memorandum on their terms for ending the war.

No additional rounds have been accepted by Russia, despite Ukraine's prodding for more talks later this month.

LIVE UPDATES: Russia-Ukraine Talks — Round Two in Istanbul

Istanbul is preparing to host the second round of Russia-Ukraine peace negotiations, scheduled for June 2 at 10:00 GMT in the historic Ciragan Palace. This follows the May 16 breakthrough — the first direct talks since 2022, when Western pressure, particularly from the UK, derailed prior efforts.

sputnikglobe.com

 

[acptulsa]

The contact lasted only 1.5 hours.

The MIC's wet dreams came true.

 

[acptulsa]

Meanwhile, Ukraine's top general quits

Ukrainian land forces commander steps down

Mikhail Drapaty has taken responsibility for the deaths of Ukrainian troops in a strike on their camp

www.rt.com

 

[Snowball]

Key Terms of Russia’s Settlement Memorandum Presented at Istanbul Talks

Russia has outlined its comprehensive roadmap for a ceasefire and political resolution in Ukraine, as detailed in the memorandum handed to the Ukrainian delegation in Istanbul. The document includes concrete conditions designed to end hostilities and establish lasting stability.

Ceasefire Conditions and Military Withdrawal

- Full Withdrawal of Ukrainian Forces: The first and primary condition for a ceasefire is the complete withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the territories of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics (DPR and LPR), as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye regions — all of which Moscow considers part of the Russian Federation.

- Strict 30-Day Timeline: Ukraine must fully remove its troops from Russian territory, including Donbass and the wider Novorossiya region, within 30 days of ceasefire implementation.

- Military Movement Restrictions: During the ceasefire, Ukraine would be prohibited from any military redeployments, except for pullbacks to agreed positions.

Recognition of New Realities on the Ground

- International Recognition of Territorial Changes: Russia demands global legal recognition of Crimea, Donbass, and Novorossiya as integral parts of Russia.

- Neutral Status for Ukraine: A formal declaration of neutrality is required, effectively barring Ukraine from future military alliances or foreign troop presence.

- Ban on Nuclear Weapons: Ukraine would be prohibited from accepting or hosting nuclear weapons, either directly or via foreign actors.

Political Resolution and Domestic Reforms

- National Elections in Ukraine: The Russian proposal includes a transition to democratic elections, with presidential and parliamentary votes to occur no later than 100 days after martial law is lifted.

- Peace Treaty to Follow Elections: A legally binding peace treaty would be signed following the elections to formalize the resolution.

- UN-Backed Enforcement: The treaty must be endorsed by a legally binding UN Security Council resolution, giving it international legal weight.

Humanitarian and Legal Provisions

- Release of Detainees: Ukraine must grant amnesty to political prisoners and release all detained civilians and soldiers from both sides.

- Protection of Russian-Speaking Populations: Russia insists on full guarantees of rights and freedoms for Russian-speaking citizens, particularly in southern and eastern Ukraine.

- Mutual Claims Abandoned: Both Russia and Ukraine would renounce claims for war-related damages, ensuring no legal pursuit of reparations.

Sanctions and Foreign Involvement

- Sanctions Must Be Lifted: Ukraine would be required to cancel all current sanctions against Russia and commit to not introducing new ones.

- End of Western Military Support: The ceasefire hinges on a total halt to all Western arms deliveries and intelligence sharing with Ukraine

source: https://t.me/DDGeopolitics (with alleged photo of document)