Dr Wallach - Youngevity Scam?

rp4prez said:
Do you have anything that isn't authored or co authored by dr wallach that can verify those studies?
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http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=11409462&targetid=profile
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2012/01/02/9073043/Presskit - Schwarz Award.pdf
http://oliversmith65.blogspot.com/


Can I ask you this-- how much information do you know about your doctor? Do you trust the fact that s/he has some kind of certificate on his wall? Do you go to these lengths trying to debunk your doctor?
 
donnay said:
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=11409462&targetid=profile
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2012/01/02/9073043/Presskit - Schwarz Award.pdf
http://oliversmith65.blogspot.com/


Can I ask you this-- how much information do you know about your doctor? Do you trust the fact that s/he has some kind of certificate on his wall? Do you go to these lengths trying to debunk your doctor?
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More links published by Dr Wallach? Can you find anything to back up your arguments that aren't written by wallach or people affiliated with him?

And yes I went through the same lengths to find my MD who doesn't like his MD . He is more pro natural alternatives. I waited over two years to have him become my primary doctor. I even drive across town to see him. He totally rocks because he understand the natural healing and the MD side of things. He prefers the natural side of things when it makes sense. I know a ton of people who use him who are also a lot like me and want the more natural path and they choose him as well.

Needless to say my doctor rocks!
 
rp4prez said:
More links published by Dr Wallach? Can you find anything to back up your arguments that aren't written by wallach or people affiliated with him?

And yes I went through the same lengths to find my MD who doesn't like his MD . He is more pro natural alternatives. I waited over two years to have him become my primary doctor. I even drive across town to see him. He totally rocks because he understand the natural healing and the MD side of things. He prefers the natural side of things when it makes sense. I know a ton of people who use him who are also a lot like me and want the more natural path and they choose him as well.

Needless to say my doctor rocks!
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The information I provided is documented--you need to look at the people he helped at the last link. Now it is up to you to find the rest.

You want to call his info and the products he backs, a scam then so be it. I think Dr. Wallach rocks!
 
donnay said:
The information I provided is documented--you need to look at the people he helped at the last link. Now it is up to you to find the rest.

You want to call his info and the products he backs, a scam then so be it. I think Dr. Wallach rocks!
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I thought I was pretty clear about my position on the products.
 
rp4prez said:
I thought I was pretty clear about my position on the products.
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I thought I was pretty clear when I posted the links of the testimonials from people who are on the products--including myself. No one is putting a gun to anyone's head to sell the product. I know people who are selling it because they use the product and the product helped them, and they want to help others. There are literally hundreds of Youtubes from people giving their experience on the products, you should do your own research. Have you done any research about vitamin and mineral deficiencies and what deficiencies cause chronic illnesses?

Your post was to point out that the business is some kind of MLM/pyramid scam--why is making money and providing a network to make money a bad thing? Not to mention products that help people get healthy? Have you noticed how big the pharmaceutical companies are? Have you ever checked out the insane profits they make? Are you even curious as to why the products Big Pharma promotes do more harm to people's health rather than help them? Do you think if people started becoming independent and healthy Big Pharma would be concerned that people are out there cutting into their profit margins? Would you rather be with a team that monopolizes the economy (with government help) or would you rather choose a company that networks to make you money with competition?
 
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An MLM/Pyramid-type set-up is a HUGE alert that there's something fishy/scammy...that doesn't change just because Alex Jones says he's a-okay.

It is a legitimate concern, and since I can't watch any videos--I'll avoid his products completely since there's no good reason to have his business set up that way.
 
donnay said:
I thought I was pretty clear when I posted the links of the testimonials from people who are on the products--including myself.
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Although testimonials are fine they are not replacements for hard core scientific studies done by third party independent scientists.

No one is putting a gun to anyone's head to sell the product. I know people who are selling it because they use the product and the product helped them, and they want to help others. There are literally hundreds of Youtubes from people giving their experience on the products, you should do your own research. Have you done any research about vitamin and mineral deficiencies and what deficiencies cause chronic illnesses?
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Yes I have done research and I usually talk to both my chiropractor, doctor, and research to help me make decisions on what courses of action to take for my health. I don't use testimonials and/or youtubes to make decisions about my health.

Your post was to point out that the business is some kind of MLM/pyramid scam--why is making money and providing a network to make money a bad thing?
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Making money isn't wrong. It's how the Youngevity MLM is making money is wrong (IMO). I've already explained in posts above about the people who were doing the selling at the "seminar" I went to. If you want to buy into all of the nonsense that's fine with me, but I'm not going to.

Not to mention products that help people get healthy?
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Again I'd like to see the studies that support this.

Have you noticed how big the pharmaceutical companies are? Have you ever checked out the insane profits they make? Are you even curious as to why the products Big Pharma promotes do more harm to people's health rather than help them?
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I'm no fan of big pharma. I think there is some validity to the argument that they wouldn't make a cure because if they did it would end their business on that one desease. I really don't like how they put out medicines that kill people, take it off the market, get sued for billions, but they have that in their business plan to happen and put those billions aside for the lawsuits they know are going to come due to their product. It makes me ill. I tend to stay away from big pharma as much as possible. However, with Obamacare it's going to become much more difficult to stay away from those bastards. :mad:

Do you think if people started becoming independent and healthy Big Pharma would be concerned that people are out there cutting into their profit margins? Would you rather be with a team that monopolizes the economy (with government help) or would you rather choose a company that networks to make you money with competition?
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I'd rather be on the team that brings the product to the mainstream using valid hard core science to prove their product is actually what they are saying. I'd rather be on the team that doesn't have to use a MLM scheme to get their product out there. I'd rather be on the team that doesn't have a bunch of liars selling me on their product so they can use me to make more money, take their free trips, and get their free cars. I'd rather be on the team that I can wake up and morally feel great about it.

But hey that's just me. ;)
 
rp4prez said:
Do you have anything that isn't authored or co authored by dr wallach that can verify those studies?
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If you noticed, most of the "peer reviewed published" studies in that list involved reptiles, birds, fish, rhinos, and giraffes. Those studies seem to stop in the 1980's. A few studies involved primates, and a couple involved "non-published data".

The rest of the items on the list were self-published books that were not peer reviewed.
 
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FDA won Pyrrhic victory over scientific literature, say plaintiffs
https://www.nutraingredients-usa.co...ory-over-scientific-literature-say-plaintiffs

Is Chula Vista company the next Herbalife?
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/30/chula-vista-company-next-herbalife/?print&page=all

Here are some of the credentials of the people on board Youngevity:

Gerhard N. Schrauzer, PhD, CNS, FACN
http://www.jacn.org/content/20/1/1.full

Edmond De Vroey, MD
http://investing.businessweek.com/r...Id=6710866&previousTitle=AL INTERNATIONAL INC

James Sensenig, ND
http://www.naturalhealthct.com/who_we_are.htm

Richard Renton
http://www.alintjcof.com/board.php

Stan Frager, PhD
http://investing.businessweek.com/r...Id=6710866&previousTitle=AL INTERNATIONAL INC

Ma Lan, MD, MS
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=611934929&targetid=profile

Joanne Conaway, BS, RN
http://investing.businessweek.com/r...Id=6710866&previousTitle=AL INTERNATIONAL INC

Melinda Silva, MD
http://www.sandiegobioidenticalhormonedoctor.com/

Corey Gold, DDS
http://investing.businessweek.com/r...Id=6710866&previousTitle=AL INTERNATIONAL INC

Daniel Hart, ND
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1073954311&targetid=profile

Peter Glidden, ND
http://www.fireyourmdnow.com/dr__glidden

Ben Fuchs
http://www.brightsideben.com/
 
youngbuck said:
His mineral supplement sounds like snake oil to me. Even if his claims were entirely true, which they're not, you could get all the minerals you need from a well-rounded, whole food diet, and use targeted supplementation (perhaps additional magnesium, zinc, etc.) as needed. Use sea salt, and if you're still concerned, use ConcenTrace.
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Anyone seen this before re ConcenTrace - a disgruntled ex-employee ? Renowned alternative health author John Heinerman visits Trace Minerals Research's harvesting facility and uncovers disturbing evidence regarding the source of the company's nutritional minerals.

[h=1]Google - Trace Minerals Truth Revealed[/h]
 
The hairs on my neck stand up for MLMs as much as anyone but just because something is marketed in a smarmy way doesn't always mean the products are crap.
Who remembers Amway? I still use the LOC - even though it's been somewhat reformulated through the years.. used to stand for liquid organic cleaner, now they call it legacy of clean *eye roll*
My mom swore by the SA8 laundry soap - but I seem to recall heated phone calls way back when with her saying she had no intention of going to a meeting.. selling product or *gasp* hosting parties.. just sell me the soap damnit.

Utopia silver has a trace mineral product also.. both liquid and caps. My wallet cries every time I consider it though.
 
In this day and age in order to beat the too BIG to Fail Big pHARMa, I suppose this is the only way around it. I am not a salesmen, but the Youngevity products are pricy, but great.

Dr. Wallach gives lectures all over the place, Dead Doctor's Don't Lie and Hell's Kitchen are two great lectures he has given. I also have his books which are chock-full of history and information on longevity.
 
opal said:
The hairs on my neck stand up for MLMs as much as anyone but just because something is marketed in a smarmy way doesn't always mean the products are crap.
Who remembers Amway? I still use the LOC - even though it's been somewhat reformulated through the years.. used to stand for liquid organic cleaner, now they call it legacy of clean *eye roll*
My mom swore by the SA8 laundry soap - but I seem to recall heated phone calls way back when with her saying she had no intention of going to a meeting.. selling product or *gasp* hosting parties.. just sell me the soap damnit.

Utopia silver has a trace mineral product also.. both liquid and caps. My wallet cries every time I consider it though.
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The way I look at it, it beats doctors and hospital bills!
 
Scientific Proof...

You can call it a scam or snake oil all you want... it does not change the fact that I started using these products in December of 2012 to give my body the building blocks it needed to reverse damage done in a serious accident. I was a pedestrian and was struck by a car. MD's told me I needed surgery or I was destined to live life on pain killers... I refused the surgery and did live on pain killers for 20+ years. In all I had 13 scrips when I met Dr. Wallach and was taking 11 of the 13 (the last two were new and I hadn't had a chance to fill them). In 11 months, Dr. Wallach got me off all the scripts and my back injury repaired itself.

The reality is you can not get everything you need from a well rounded diet. Yes, it is a direct networking sales channel... in a retail store, do you think a product goes from manufacturer to retailer without middlemen? At least with MLM, you know it's company to distributor to the consumer. In my case, the distributor I worked with has applied no pressure for me to join his sales force... he did tell me there is an opportunity if I am interested.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but facts are facts... and Youngevity has proven itself to me! Links to be provided in the next post for Scientific Proof...

Raidenko

rp4prez said:
Although testimonial are fine they are not replacements for hard core scientific studies done by third party independent scientists.


Yes I have done research and I usually talk to both my chiropractor, doctor, and research to help me make decisions on what courses of action to take for my health. I don't use testimonials and/or youtubes to make decisions about my health.


Making money isn't wrong. It's how the Youngevity MLM is making money is wrong (IMO). I've already explained in posts above about the people who were doing the selling at the "seminar" I went to. If you want to buy into all of the nonsense that's fine with me, but I'm not going to.


Again I'd like to see the studies that support this.


I'm no fan of big pharma. I think there is some validity to the argument that they wouldn't make a cure because if they did it would end their business on that one desease. I really don't like how they put out medicines that kill people, take it off the market, get sued for billions, but they have that in their business plan to happen and put those billions aside for the lawsuits they know are going to come due to their product. It makes me ill. I tend to stay away from big pharma as much as possible. However, with Obamacare it's going to become much more difficult to stay away from those bastards. :mad:


I'd rather be on the team that brings the product to the mainstream using valid hard core science to prove their product is actually what they are saying. I'd rather be on the team that doesn't have to use a MLM scheme to get their product out there. I'd rather be on the team that doesn't have a bunch of liars selling me on their product so they can use me to make more money, take their free trips, and get their free cars. I'd rather be on the team that I can wake up and morally feel great about it.

But hey that's just me. ;)
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