Dr. Paul's weak theological statement

[LibertyBelle]

EXACTLY. I'm agnostic, I look into many different religions, so that maybe I'll find one that fits me. Why do they take one over the other? What makes one belief system more true than the other? All of theology has a story, so why take one over the other? There is only one evolution, wouldn't that be attractive to you? I look into religion in a "do I like this?" point of view. I read in the old testament that it's ok to stone people... turned me off. I'm on the new testament now. I could always convert to a religion... trying to find one that I can take LITERALLY and feel comfortable with it. No stonings, no sexism, no slavery...

I would still believe in evolution though.Right now, I don't believe there are any "gods" or "goddesses," but I don't leave out the possibility...

There is not only one 'evolution', but evolution THEORY. It's not a fact, there are tons of holes in the THEORY. Yet, you say you will still believe in evolution. That takes faith (belief without absolute proof) my dear Watson. Fine, but that's still faith! Just some food for thought! As for maybe finding a religion that fits you, many other people have found what fits them....but you are asking why they take one religion over the other?

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

There is not only one 'evolution', but evolution THEORY. It's not a fact, there are tons of holes in the THEORY. Yet, you say you will still believe in evolution. That takes faith (belief without absolute proof) my dear Watson. Fine, but that's still faith! Just some food for thought! As for maybe finding a religion that fits you, many other people have found what fits them....but you are asking why they take one religion over the other?

No, what holes? It explains life hell of a lot better than theology does... "god creates life" so easy, huh? Wow... why even talk about it anymore? He just DID IT!

 

[McDermit]

I was raised catholic and went to catholic school. (We're Hispanic. My parents are REALLLLLLY into their religion.) But a statement like the OP wants would have turned me off to RP in a heartbeat. I can't stand when politicians bring religion into things. RP has the perfect stance. He votes Christian, he is Christian, but he doesn't shove it down your throat on a regular basis.

 

[max]

There is not only one 'evolution', but evolution THEORY. It's not a fact, there are tons of holes in the THEORY. Yet, you say you will still believe in evolution. That takes faith (belief without absolute proof) my dear Watson. Fine, but that's still faith! Just some food for thought! As for maybe finding a religion that fits you, many other people have found what fits them....but you are asking why they take one religion over the other?

You mean...we didnt come from amoebas?...who morphed into fish...who sprouted limbs...crawled onto the beach...up a tree..then down again..and became humans?

Gee...I always thought our journey from bacterial scum to human was a proven fact. You're not suggesting that our intellectual elite and the mass media has misled us about our origins are you?

next you'll be telling me that we were lied to about The Iraq War

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You mean...we didnt come from amoebas?...who morphed into fish...who sprouted limbs...crawled onto the beach...up a tree..then down again..and became humans?

Gee...I always thought our journey from bacterial scum to human was a proven fact. You're not suggesting that our intellectual elite and the mass media has misled us about our origins are you?

next you'll be telling me that we were lied to about The Iraq War

lol... actually, we were not monkeys. Humans developed as land dwellers, but yes, we are of the primate order.

animalia kingdom>chordata phylum>mammalia class>primate order>hominidae family>homo genus>>>

 

[undergroundrr]

I'm a non-theist. I'm happily convinced I will never hear President Paul say he took a political action because God told him to. This is a very good thing.

Our sort are woefully under-represented in the capitol. Last I checked, the only "out" atheist was obnoxious socialist demo-dork Pete Stark.

An atheist government isn't likely to happen soon. In Dr. Paul, at least we have a man who evidently applies reason to every other aspect of his thought.

I'm glad he latched onto Augustine's "just war" concept. There are myriad less attractive Christian war positions he could have chosen.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

There is not only one 'evolution', but evolution THEORY. It's not a fact, there are tons of holes in the THEORY. Yet, you say you will still believe in evolution. That takes faith (belief without absolute proof) my dear Watson. Fine, but that's still faith! Just some food for thought! As for maybe finding a religion that fits you, many other people have found what fits them....but you are asking why they take one religion over the other?

There are still holes in our understanding of Gravitation. Newton's theories where proven wrong by Einstein. Einstein's theories are not compatible with quantum mechanics.

We still have an incomplete theory of gravitation. So I guess it should be replaced in schools with intelligent falling.

 

[billm317]

can we get back on topic?

 

[literatim]

No, what holes? It explains life hell of a lot better than theology does... "god creates life" so easy, huh? Wow... why even talk about it anymore? He just DID IT!

http://www.scienceagainstevolution.org/newsletters.htm

 

[constituent]

alright.... i stopped after page 7.... but, since the OP was a Christian or whatever, and his statement of faith sounded awfully familiar...

i'd like to point out that the good dr. is a Confessed

SOUTHERN BAPTIST

so what does that mean? i reckon that he's been saved as they
call it. does that answer the question of the OP?

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

alright.... i stopped after page 7.... but, since the OP was a Christian or whatever, and his statement of faith sounded awfully familiar...

i'd like to point out that the good dr. is a Confessed

SOUTHERN BAPTIST

so what does that mean? i reckon that he's been saved as they
call it. does that answer the question of the OP?

it says protestant in the debates

 

[adpierce]

it says protestant in the debates

Yeah, but he does attend a Southern Baptist church. Many people who attend Southern Baptist churches see themselves as non-denominational or simply as Protestant however and don't necessarily agree with all their viewpoints. However Ron's gotta at least tolerate and agree with some if not most of their viewpoints or I'd be surprised that he would attend Church there. What I'm saying is he probably does have a doctrinal viewpoint and did censor himself when writing his SOF therefore I was wondering why he wouldn't just come out with it.

 

[wgadget]

I read somewhere that he was Episcopalian, but then I saw that he attended a Baptist church.

 

[Kregener]

He comes from a Lutheran background, but I tend to think of him as just a Christian, and not any of the man-made "religions".

 

[sunghoko]

You can listen to his interview with the Constitution party radio show the American View.

http://www.theamericanview.com/index.php?id=916

Some may be turned off by the ultra conservative hardcore christian slant of the interview but Ron expounds on his faith.

I think his SoF is good enough

 

[Magsec]

Sorry if this might be a possible repost since this is a large topic and I'm not readin every single comment to make sure but:

Wasn't RP's statement about pre-emptive nuclear strike saying that it was a violation of the Just War theory of Christianity? Did Christians catch that?

 

[Corydoras]

Wasn't RP's statement about pre-emptive nuclear strike saying that it was a violation of the Just War theory of Christianity? Did Christians catch that?

Yes. There was a mention of that, with a link to a very classic text, here:
http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=16442

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I read somewhere that he was Episcopalian, but then I saw that he attended a Baptist church.

I don't even know what the differences are lol

 

[jimmyjamsslo]

Sorry, but RP would lose my support....

...if his theological statement was in this vein:

"and the sets out a model for the way human beings ought to live their lives.
That the punishment of sin is to spend eternity in Hell."

As a spiritual decidedly non-Christian, this would be repellent to me, even if he was the same person. It's like when I read his statement about how he felt about homosexuality, I was very relieved to find that he's not a judgmental sort of Christian, which renewed my enthusiasm for the good doctor:



John Lofton: Do you believe homosexuality is a sin?

Dr. Paul: I'm not as judgmental about that probably because of my medical background. I don’t see it in [such] simplistic terms. I think it’s a complex issue to think it’s a sin or other problems with the way people are born. It’s too complex to give an answer as simple as that [that homosexuality is a sin.]”

John Lofton: Do you believe God says homosexuality is a sin?

Dr. Paul: Well, I believe a lot of people understand it that way but I think everybody is God’s child, too, so, you know, I have trouble with that.

John Lofton: Biblically-speaking, all human beings are made in God’s image but not all are God’s children; some people are children of the devil...


I'd also add that Ron Paul has swayed my opinion about abortion somewhat. As a peace-loving person who advocates nonviolence, I found it hard to reconcile abortion with such a philosophy, also in tandem with the idea of self-responsibility for one's individual actions. I even tried to have a discussion with my liberal landlady, who has switched parties to vote for RP, but she doesn't like his stance on abortion. I have no problem with contraception and morning-after style emergency contraception, or abortion up to the point when the heart starts beating. I have come to realize, though that 'abortion on demand', encourages a culture of licentiousness and laxness about sexual responsibility. As a rabid pro-choicer, my ex-girlfriend had an abortion, but I had no say in the matter, and I was depressed about the incident for several years. Also, RP's illumination of the double standard present in his practice as an OB/GYN is the most sensible pro-life argument I've ever heard. This resembles civics more than morality, which is an easier way to get the message across. In Dr. Paul's tome 'A republic, if you can keep it', he poignantly and tersely shows abortion to be a form of class warfare, another unique approach to the issue that I was heretofore unfamiliar with. Obviously there are a lot aspects to this issue; it can be quite divisive.

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Does not like his stance on abortion? What stance? Of leaving it to the states? That's the law lol