Dr. Paul vs. Dr. Fauci

[Brian4Liberty]

This really should be in GenPol for more exposure. ...

People should be using the “New Posts” or “Today’s Posts” (under the Post Management pull-down menu) so that the sub-forum doesn’t matter. Tests indicate that the sub-forum doesn't matter, the views will be the same. And this is being promoted to the front page, which does increase views.

 

[Todd]

Good information from Rand at the beginning about B cell immunity! Fauci is denying everything we have known for decades about immunity to past flu or corona virus' after infection. It essentially lasts for the rest of your life, for a normal, relatively healthy person.

Fauci's excuse is that a variant may arise that can bypass immunity. Really? We now have public mandates based upon anything and everything that might happen in the future?

There are some things being studied right now that may have been going on for decades with SARS. Such as the possibility of E.Asian population having a naturally occurring immunity to SARS because it's been so prevalent in Asia for so long.

Possibility of corona resistance gene mutation occurring among East Asians as a result of long-term co-evolution of virus and host,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar...e4X30-OCEl0TBOo-4myg_NdYDQxZP0lCjt7APY1IAlYEs

 

[ChiefJustice]

Rand is a goddamn embarrassment. I feel ashamed that I ever once supported this guy. All he does is posturing. Congrats, I’m sure history will reward you for being the dope who tried to start pissing matches with an infectious disease expert during a pandemic that will have killed at least 600,000 Americans by the time it’s all said and done.

 

[Invisible Man]

There are some things being studied right now that may have been going on for decades with SARS. Such as the possibility of E.Asian population having a naturally occurring immunity to SARS because it's been so prevalent in Asia for so long.

Interesting.

And if that is so, then my first question for the bureaucrats is: "It Americans were also to develop natural immunity to SARS viruses through exposure, would that not benefit us in the long run?"

 

[TheTexan]

Rand is a goddamn embarrassment. I feel ashamed that I ever once supported this guy. All he does is posturing. Congrats, I’m sure history will reward you for being the dope who tried to start pissing matches with an infectious disease expert during a pandemic that will have killed at least 600,000 Americans by the time it’s all said and done.

"infectious disease expert"

 

[Invisible Man]

Rand is a goddamn embarrassment. I feel ashamed that I ever once supported this guy. All he does is posturing. Congrats, I’m sure history will reward you for being the dope who tried to start pissing matches with an infectious disease expert during a pandemic that will have killed at least 600,000 Americans by the time it’s all said and done.

The above characterization of Fauci as a bureaucrat, rather than a scientist, is the more operative one, as is the observation that his financial and career interests preclude any possibility of dispassionate investigation of this issue on his part. It would be foolish just to roll over and listen to what the regime tells us just because they have an infectious disease expert on their payroll. And if you want to listen to infectious disease experts who say the opposite of what Fauci does, there are plenty.

But science isn't about picking experts to listen to and blindly embracing whatever they say, regardless of their motivations. Science requires objective consideration of the facts themselves.

The science of infectious diseases was already quite well developed before last year, and had been for decades. There was no new discovery that suddenly made us realize that global mask wearing and social distancing was really what the human race should have been doing all these millennia to protect ourselves from pandemics. In fact, scientists had actually studied precisely those kinds of strategies and concluded that they would be counterproductive. The science didn't change in 2020. Nor was there anything unprecedented about the pandemic of that year. It was the capacity of the governments of the world to make use of such a pandemic as a crisis not to let go to waste that was new, so that while the pandemic wasn't unprecedented, the response to it was.

Pushing back against the bureaucrats is exactly what we all need to do.

And it's practically inevitable that decades from now the entire world will look back on the global response to COVID 19 as catastrophically misguided to the point that they will struggle to understand how it even was possible that so many governments would all agree to do such stupid things and why the advice of infectious disease experts who knew better even then was not heeded.

 

[tebowlives]

Rand is a goddamn embarrassment. I feel ashamed that I ever once supported this guy.

Because of this??? You're on the wrong forum. You should be on the big government forum with the rest of the sellouts.

All he does is posturing.

By pointing out Faucis dishonesty???????

Congrats, I’m sure history will reward you for being the dope who tried to start pissing matches with an infectious disease expert during a pandemic that will have killed at least 600,000 Americans by the time it’s all said and done.

With covid, not of covid. Talk about posturing.

 

[ChiefJustice]

Because of this??? You're on the wrong forum. You should be on the big government forum with the rest of the sellouts.

By pointing out Faucis dishonesty???????

With covid, not of covid. Talk about posturing.

You really think Rand Paul is someone who has the right to call anyone out for 'dishonesty'? Rand turned from being principled into a no good run of the mill lying politician. He disgraced the movement as did everyone else here all because Trump paid lip service to non-intervention and the gold standard and you all bought it hook, line, and sinker. Good job.

Fauci has more backbone and integrity than Randy could ever dream of in his lifetime. Bury your head in the sand if you must. I decided not to sell out like Rand and yourself and this whole faux-liberty movement.

 

[ChiefJustice]

"infectious disease expert"

LOL and you probably think Rand is more qualified? A freaking eye doctor?

 

[Invisible Man]

LOL and you probably think Rand is more qualified? A freaking eye doctor?

Is your view that Fauci should just be able to give whatever recommendations he wants related to dealing with COVID, no matter how easy they are to refute with facts and logic, and no matter how destructive, and all 100 senators, because they don't have the same specialized expertise in the field that he does, just have to concede the point? His credentials put him above reproach and the entire nation has to be at his mercy no matter what policies he recommends?

Rand could be a plumber or a janitor with no medical background at all and still be both justified in standing up to Fauci and dutybound to do so.

But as you point out, he is not those things, but is actually a medical doctor himself.

 

[TheTexan]

LOL and you probably think Rand is more qualified? A freaking eye doctor?

It's not even about qualifications at this point, Fauci is an admitted liar who ignores the science and uses his perceived authority to simply play manipulative games with the public.

 

[tebowlives]

You really think Rand Paul is someone who has the right to call anyone out for 'dishonesty'?

Yes. Much more so than you do.

Rand turned from being principled into a no good run of the mill lying politician. He disgraced the movement as did everyone else here all because Trump paid lip service to non-intervention and the gold standard and you all bought it hook, line, and sinker. Good job.

Look at the way he votes instead of making up this silly nonsense like a drama queen.

Fauci has more backbone and integrity than Randy could ever dream of in his lifetime. Bury your head in the sand if you must. I decided not to sell out like Rand and yourself and this whole faux-liberty movement.

You decided to be a know nothing traitor to the cause. That's on you, you gutless sellout.

 

[tebowlives]

LOL and you probably think Rand is more qualified? A freaking eye doctor?

It's about the actual topic and not the pedigree.

 

[Peace Piper]

It's not even about qualifications at this point, Fauci is an admitted liar who ignores the science and uses his perceived authority to simply play manipulative games with the public.

Haven't you heard? 'Murkans feel good about liars, they'd rather believe lies than truth - remember when Tulsi Gabbard informed the Taxpayers (Riff-Raff) that the US was financing ISIS and Al Queda ? Sure you do. Few cared. Think about that one for awhile.



Can't get a bill passed that forbids funding terrorists. Does anything else have to be said?

This Filthy Jackass lied to congress - and now he's lying to TV audiences everywhere. No one cares. And He's RICH!



This 2-bit Brigand admits he went to CIA classes to make him a better liar, cheat and thief. Now some are saying he's a front runner for the (R-at) party in 2024! Because Americans don't care about truth anymore. It's that simple



Who knows what else 'Murikans will accept. Any guess?

Maybe these liars, cheats and thieves will convince 'Murikans that China needs bombing because Xinjiang Uighurs need Washington, District of Criminal help. Anything goes now, the precedent has been set.

Good Luck!

 

[ChiefJustice]

Yes. Much more so than you do.

Look at the way he votes instead of making up this silly nonsense like a drama queen.

You decided to be a know nothing traitor to the cause. That's on you, you gutless sellout.

The “liberty movement” sold itself out. This has become the anti-science, anti-responsibility, pro-immaturity, pro-Trump movement and absolutely nothing more than that. The liberty movement was snuffed out the minute people around here threw their lot in with Trump including Randy who was insulted by Trump on the national stage and instead of showing backbone he bowed and kissed the feet. If that is the kind of man who represents this movement it’s a pretty weak one.

It’s pure cowardice and nauseating. I wish some of you, those who do believe in liberty, would wake up to it...

 

[TheTexan]

The “liberty movement” sold itself out. This has become the anti-science, anti-responsibility, pro-immaturity, pro-Trump movement and absolutely nothing more than that. The liberty movement was snuffed out the minute people around here threw their lot in with Trump including Randy who was insulted by Trump on the national stage and instead of showing backbone he bowed and kissed the feet. If that is the kind of man who represents this movement it’s a pretty weak one.

There never was a "liberty movement". Or if there was, it certainly is dead now, that much I agree.

And it's not coming back.

Still have to find a way to move forward. Even if that means engaging with "Trumpians".

 

[ChiefJustice]

There never was a "liberty movement". Or if there was, it certainly is dead now, that much I agree.

And it's not coming back.

Still have to find a way to move forward. Even if that means engaging with "Trumpians".

The “liberty movement” was literally what Ron Paul’s campaign was built on and the biggest appeal of it. If we’re going back and saying that was never the case then it was all a lie and deception which doesn’t make it much better.

Engaging with a literal traitor to every decent thing this country has ever stood for, would seem to be a non starter for me. He tried to force the overturning of a free and fair election. That alone makes him an enemy of the state to me. I hadn’t realized that to some here the idea of authoritarianism was acceptable as long some concessions were given to libertarian thought.

 

[Invisible Man]

The “liberty movement” was literally what Ron Paul’s campaign was built on and the biggest appeal of it. If we’re going back and saying that was never the case than it was all a lie and deception which doesn’t make it much better.

Engaging with a literal traitor to every decent thing this country has ever stood for, would seem to be a non starter for me.

This is an odd line of argument for you to take in a debate that started with you condemning Rand Paul for standing up against the treasonous policies of Trump and Fauci.

 

[ChiefJustice]

This is an odd line of argument for you to take in a debate that started with you condemning Rand Paul for standing up against the treasonous policies of Trump and Fauci.

What treasonous policy in regard to Fauci? It sounds like it’s a policy that you simply don’t like and are calling it treason

 

[TheTexan]

He tried to force the overturning of a free and fair election.

Have you done much personal investigation into the facts?

The facts overwhelmingly bear out that the election was indeed stolen. The laws that govern how elections are run in these states were overwhelmingly ignored, trampled on, or illegally manipulated to the Democrats' favor. It is extremely well documented that entire buildings of election workers (e.g. TCF Center detroit) were blatantly ignoring the law, from the individual workers, to their supervisors, to the top managers. It wasn't a conspiracy, they just all didn't give two shits about the law, because ignoring the law works in their favor.

Constitutional issues were outright ignored, not given a fair hearing.

There were "50+ court cases" that allowed essentially zero testimonies to be heard. The 100's of testimonies we do have are "liars" because they weren't sworn in court.

There were ZERO audits. There were useless "recounts" which serve only as useful tools of propaganda that "they care about election integrity".

The media parrots things like AG Barr "no evidence" yet there is "no evidence" that he even did any investigation at all.

The media parrots things like Krebs' "most secure election ever" completely out of context and ignores Krebs' own testimony that it doesnt account at all for fraud.

There is ZERO evidence that this election was NOT stolen.

The ONLY "evidence" is that Trump has lost "50 court cases". This is what every Leftist parrots left and right.

If you READ the court cases. If you listen to the testimonies.

You will know its all bullshit.

But honestly - doing your own research on this takes at minimum 10-40+ hours. Who fucking has the time? Just continue to believe what the idiot box tells you to believe, you will be a happier person.

For the record, I don't vote, never voted, never will. An-cap. Pretty much a neutral party, with regard to Trump. He's pretty much no different than Obama or any other President. Maybe he is 0.2% better than Obama.

Yet it is clear as day that the election was stolen.