Dr Paul Slams Huckabee's Christmas ad!

The MSM is going to have a field day taking that quote out of context :rolleyes:
I was a little taken aback myself when he said it, it seemed a little out of the ordinary to me. I'm pretty sure Dr. Paul doesn't think Huckabee is a fascist, but people who may not be knowledgable about RP's philosophies and integrity, might really try to blow that statement up into some big deal. Then on the other hand, maybe noone will give a toot. I hope they (MSM) don't try to make anything out of that statement though.
 
I tend to think that Republicans who do not support Huckabee are glad one of the major candidates finally had the cajones to draw the line between simply informing the voters about one's religion versus trying to use a major religion to further one's personal/political ambitions. Huckabee represents exactly what the Founding Fathers like Thomas Jefferson and James Madison opposed: politicians (mis)using a major religion to attain high political office.
 
Seems this subject has been brought up in some other threads, so I'll repost my take on what Paul said.

Yes, this is the kind of thing that will get talked about.

Some points to remember:

-It has not been established whether Paul actually has seen the Huckabee TV Ad, so Ron Paul's comment was more likely geared toward the flag-waving bible thumping tactics of opponents like Huckabee...

-Ron Paul qualifies his statement (doesn't back track, back tracking is something you do later not while you make a statement lol)

-Religion has been used already by the Bush Regime and often subtly/or not so subtly tied by into the "Crusade" our nation is conducting in the Middle East and support for Israel.

And, lastly, I would bet good money that someone who had a hand in the making of that Huckabee Video knew how the background object would appear and intentionally decided to go with it.

I think it will be over all a favorable development because it points the finger at political animals that wrap themselves in the flag while waving a Bible.
 
Ron's crackin' me up...

The fox crew barely looked like they were comfortable in their own skin after attempting to try and make him look bad, and failing. GREAT JOB RON!
 
Yeah, the interviewer seemed very awkward. Anyway, I'm somewhat concerned that criticizing Huckabee could backfire. Don't get me wrong, the guy frightens be big time and I would be seriously tempted to move to Canada if he got elected (and I'm a fairly devout Christian!). But it seems to me that chances are greater than 75% that his recent run-up in the polls will peter out very quickly. He may play well in Iowa, but NH doesn't like him as much, and his numbers are way down in the bigger states like NY and CA. If he's not a true threat, negative campaigning will only hurt Ron Paul. Seems like the much more prudent approach would be to let things play out a little, then let Guiliani and Romney be the ones to campaign negatively and hope Ron can be the ultimate winner in the whole mess.
 
I was a little taken aback myself when he said it, it seemed a little out of the ordinary to me. I'm pretty sure Dr. Paul doesn't think Huckabee is a fascist, but people who may not be knowledgable about RP's philosophies and integrity, might really try to blow that statement up into some big deal. Then on the other hand, maybe noone will give a toot. I hope they (MSM) don't try to make anything out of that statement though.

I certainly think Huckabee is a fascist! ;)
 
It's a risk by Huck's crew.

Huck's rise in the polls can be explained by one of two scenarios. (Aside from the fact that a college student like me who doesn't own a landline will never be polled and those who didn't vote in the primaries last time wouldn't be polled ect ect)

Anywho

Scenario A) Huck's conservative Christian values fueled his rise to the top. Once those polled in Iowa figured this out, the MSM reports on it and fuels a rise in poll numbers nationally.

Scenario B) Rudy does so poorly in person that the electorate in the primary states are dumping him and Huckabee just happened to be the next one in line. Kinda like when a #16 Sports Team suddenly finds itself in the Top 10 after a few teams ahead of it were upset by lesser opponents. It's not that that team has gotten any better, the teams ahead are just doing worse.

Reports from the front show that once people get to know Rudy, he doesn't do as well. Which isn't much of a surprise when he's running on 9/11 and the Firefighters are already targeting him swiftboat style. Then all the negative press on him probably put a few holes in the ship, so now Rudy is sinking.

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Now, If you believe that it's the conservative wing of the GOP that picks the President (and you credit scenario A with the rise in poll numbers), then you'd want to capitalize on that. And what better way to do it then by a fancy Christmas Card reminding voters who the evangelical candidate is?

But, there are GREAT risks to playing the God-Card.

You alienate any non-Christian. (Which would be a problem in the general election, but not the primary. They would be much more likely to vote for a Democrat anyway) The risk is further diluted by the fact that there's ALOT of time between the general election and the primary. It'll be almost a year later when we vote for President. So, the alienation of non-Christians is a risk, but there's good reason to believe it's not a 'big' risk.

Risk #2 is that early state voters would be turned off by crossing the 'line' so to speak when it comes to religion and politics. Early State voters are a bit more savvy than your average voter due to being swamped by politics every four years. This would have been enough for me to say 'no-go' on the ad, BUT if you remember...Scenario A thinks that the "Christian Leadership" line is why you're ahead now. So, it makes sense to full throttle it. I don't buy the idea that the bookshelf was accidentally shaped like a cross. NOTHING appears in an ad by mistake. And Huck is playing the God-Card with full effect. Why be shy about it if it's working??

Risk #3: It makes people nervous. We've seen examples of how previous Presidents have played this card and we grow instantly suspicious of those who use this card. Alot of these people may be independents or moderates. People who are 'in play' right now. If you think about it, Dr. Paul's response to the ad (which was a risk in itself) draws attention to this nervousness. People who may have been on board with Huck who are a bit quesy with this may take a step back. (After all, what happens if he tries this during the general election??) The voters which are turned off by the ad will have to look elsewhere? And whose left in the field that is making headlines right now? Dr. Ron Paul. I'd say it was a smart move by Dr. Paul. (If it was pre-planned, it may not have been...we'll never know for sure)

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I think Huck's rise in the polls is because of Scenario B... I think Rudy got too much bad press + not doing well in the grassroots area + not doing well in person has sunk his battleship. Thus, Huck moves up. If this is the case, then the Ad isn't going to work out well. Instead of expanding the tent to allow more support into the Tent, now Huck's turned people away. We'll see how the big the blow-back will be on this one.

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The Sinclair quote was risky, but it's a good call methinks. While it does turn-off evangelicals (to a point), that's not where Dr. Paul's base is. Plus, Paul becomes the hero of the moment to anyone alienated by the Ad. Hell, even the Huffington Post loves the comment. Getting a few headlines while opening up the tent is a good move. And the only reason why it's going to get any press whatsoever is it's out of the ordinary Fox News expected a different response. They had prepared for a different response. Thus, when Dr. Paul didn't tow the Christian Conservative Line (which is what they expected) they didn't have anything to talk about and had to cut the interview short. Fox and Friends is a commentary show, not a news show. If you deviate from the script they have to go to commercial to re-write it.

Just my 2 cents
 
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Hell, Ron Paul gave a Christmas ad. By mentioning Sinclair Lewis and St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine, we're drawing a clear line between tradition just war Christian theory and the "God of Warr" practiced by Christians like Huckabee. It's the difference between St. Francis of Assissi and "Onward Christian Soldiers."

Elections are about lines being draw and Dr. Paul has drawn them. It's too late now.

Huckabee may not be a Fascist but he's damn close to one. What's the difference between "Congressmen we are one nation" "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Furher!" ?
 
Using religion to determine foreign policy is a recipe for disaster, and I`m speaking as a christian and a former Bush supporter when I say that. Bush proved beyond any shadow of doubt that the christian religion can be used to further neocon treachery.
 
The interview seemed odd. It was as if he had not really been asked that question. Paul looked so tired though, it was a terrible interview. I can imagine with all that is needed of him the last thing he wants to do is petty interviews with biased MSM.
 
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