Dr. Kurt: Why I Will Never Choose to Vaccinate my Own Son and Any Future Kids my Wife and I Ha

[donnay]

and it followed in all other first world countries?

Like I suggested; do your own research. I just helped you out.

 

[angelatc]

Pink Salt!!!!
www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/02/natural_news_is_a_facebook_hit_never_click_on_itsr_stories_about_cancer.html

That right there shows why these people who are bound to bring their agenda here are detrimental to the liberty movement.

These numbers should trouble you—Natural News has an uncanny ability to move unsophisticated readers from harmless dietary balderdash to medical quackery to anti-government zealotry.

And liberal publications have the uncanny ability to move unsophisticated readers from harmless dietary balderdash to medical quackery to anti-government zealotry.

 

[PRB]

That right there shows why these people who are bound to bring their agenda here are detrimental to the liberty movement.



And liberal publications have the uncanny ability to move unsophisticated readers from harmless dietary balderdash to medical quackery to anti-government zealotry.

That's probably where Naturalnews differs from most hippie environmentalist publications, whereas most environmentalist and anti-GMO publications are anti-corporation and pro-regulation, Naturalnews is anti-government except when it comes to mandatory GMO labeling.

 

[IBleedNavyAndOrange]

What am I missing here?

I can't figure out why it matters if the guy is a dirt salesman. Or if he changed his middle name to Hitler. Or he is a rapist.

The first retort is character assassination. Why? Wouldn't it be better to say soemething about the "facts" he presented? Can't someone go line by line and crush his evidence?

Polio as an example. He says polio rates were going down before the invent of the vaccine. Is that true? Can't this be proven false? How is polio spread?
If my intent were to contract polio, what is the most effective way?
If I were in a room with someone with polio would I need to ingest his feces to contract the disease?
Thats what the CDC seems to suggest.
Sure, there is a throw away sentence about sneezing and the like, but they concentrate on SHIT.

SHIT.

If I want polio I have to be in contact with SHIT!

And not my own, but somebody elses. When is that going to happen?

So my 2 options would be to
1) enrich a company by paying for a shot.
2) pay nothing and stay away from shit.

Can't someone please destroy this guys "evidence" and "facts."

The intention was to be crude. Sorry.


CDC link - http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/fs-parents.html

 

[donnay]

That right there shows why these people who are bound to bring their agenda here are detrimental to the liberty movement.



And liberal publications have the uncanny ability to move unsophisticated readers from harmless dietary balderdash to medical quackery to anti-government zealotry.

The editor of Natural News was/is a huge Ron Paul supporter.

 

[PRB]

The editor of Natural News was/is a huge Ron Paul supporter.

that's a good thing? LOL

 

[donnay]

that's a good thing? LOL

Absolutely. Ron Paul helped to wake up so many people on liberty...unfortunate there are some in this forum who have had a hard time waking up.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Quackery is defined as unproven or fraudulent medical practices. Anecdotal evidence isn't proof, as the MSG allergy syndrome succinctly proves. So with all due respect, I stand by my assertion.

I understand that, but there are also things that the so-called experts in western medicine didn't acknowledge for many years and in fact labeled any doctor who did, a quack.

Get lyme disease sometime and you will get quite an education in what I am talking about.

 

[PRB]

I understand that, but there are also things that the so-called experts in western medicine didn't acknowledge for many years and in fact labeled any doctor who did, a quack.

For which we apply the same standard : do they or do they not use the scientific method to determine if something works?

Get lyme disease sometime and you will get quite an education in what I am talking about.

What about it? Lyme disease wasn't recognized as a disease?

 

[eduardo89]

For which we apply the same standard : do they or do they not use the scientific method to determine if something works?

That's the problem with Natural News crowd, no science will ever convince them that they are completely and utterly wrong.

 

[donnay]

That's the problem with Natural News crowd, no science will ever convince them that they are completely and utterly wrong.

That's where you are wrong. But you go one believing your nonsense, I am sure that makes you feel better.

 

[PRB]

That's where you are wrong. But you go one believing your nonsense, I am sure that makes you feel better.

Oh really? So what would convince you you are wrong?

 

[PRB]

That's the problem with Natural News crowd, no science will ever convince them that they are completely and utterly wrong.

True, but I'm still willing to talk to people who can listen or have a mature dialogue. It helps if the people who decided they can't be convinced, will simply admit it

 

[eduardo89]

That's where you are wrong. But you go one believing your nonsense, I am sure that makes you feel better.

Says the one that despite being presented with mountains of empirical data still believes vaccines do not work

Yet with no scientific evidence at all, you claim they cause autism.

 

[donnay]

Oh really? So what would convince you you are wrong?

Real scientists whose findings are not bought and paid for by the medical monopoly.

 

[eduardo89]

Real scientists whose findings are not bought and paid for by the medical monopoly.

Can you provide any peer-reviewed evidence from you supposed 'real scientists' to support your claims that vaccines do no work and cause autism?

 

[PRB]

Can you provide any peer-reviewed evidence from you supposed 'real scientists' to support your claims that vaccines do no work and cause autism?

Of course he can! Wakefield and the recent Italian court ruling! checkmate!

 

[eduardo89]

Of course he can! Wakefield and the recent Italian court ruling! checkmate!

You mean the guy who was being paid to conduct the study by solicitors representing parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR and whose results have never been able to be reproduced by other scientists because they were falsified?

 

[PRB]

You mean the guy who was being paid to conduct the study by solicitors representing parents who believed their children had been harmed by MMR and whose results have never been able to be reproduced by other scientists because they were falsified?

Yes, he was paid by somebody other than the medical monopoly, so he must be honest and correct!

 

[LibertyEagle]

For which we apply the same standard : do they or do they not use the scientific method to determine if something works?

What about it? Lyme disease wasn't recognized as a disease?

Not for a long time, no, it wasn't. When it was, the CDC-approved test did not test for the correct bands, so many, many people were not diagnosed until the lyme bacteria had crossed the blood-brain barrier. At that point, you will never ever be able to get rid of it; only beat it back continually. Also, the CDC informed doctors that the bacteria would be killed with just a small course of antibiotics. Also proven not to be true, unless it was caught immediately. So, if the patient still had symptoms after that, they were told it was in their head. Actually, it wasn't, it was because their little course of antibiotics only pissed off the lyme bacteria. It literally took the CDC YEARS and YEARS for them to finally start coming around. A handful of doctors and a couple of labs kept researching and found the reality and started treating lyme patients, instead of listening to the stupidity of the CDC. I was one of these people. I really got an education back then in some of the politics of western medicine. I couldn't understand why on earth the CDC kept staying with their stupidity for so very long. While they still had their heads up somewhere, they and their cohorts threatened the few doctors who were treating it, attempted to take away their medical licenses... whatever they could do. Before you say something, think for a second. Imagine you are someone who is in agonizing pain and you have gone to specialist after specialist and they couldn't figure out what was wrong. You finally find someone and then the same medical community who failed you, then tries to shut down the one doctor who was finally making you feel like a human again. Think on that for a second. That didn't happen to me, but I heard of others it did happen to.

I was a lucky one. I found one of the preeminent research MDs in the country, if not the world, and luckily he accepted me as his patient. I didn't know what was wrong at that point, but I knew something was very, very wrong. No one could figure it out, but I needed someone to. He did. Many others with lyme weren't so lucky. Some of them are dead now, others paralyzed and others in the worst pain than you can even imagine in the remotest parts of your brain.

So, don't talk to me about having blanket faith in western medicine. I used to have exactly that, but never again.