Dr. Kurt: Why I Will Never Choose to Vaccinate my Own Son and Any Future Kids my Wife and I Ha

[PRB]

At least it's not a blog. Baby steps, LE, baby steps.

There's nothing wrong with a blog, it's who writes it that matters.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Thomas E. Woods, Jr. holds a B.A. from Harvard University and a Ph.D. from Columbia University, both in History. Hardly an economic professional.

Dr Kurt's education:

Education International Chiropractic Association
New York Chiropractic College
Roberts Wesleyan College

http://www.linkedin.com/in/drkurt

 

[angelatc]

That's a fact ONLY if you're blind enough to believe the shit Big Pharma spent to brainwash sheeple and bribe doctors with.

We are sooo lucky that Big Oil hasn't figured out how to bribe all the scientists that back Global Warming, or something.

 

[John Taylor]

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If you met the doctors we have in AZ you would know that any idiot with money can get into a real medical school. Being a doctor does not exclude someone from being an incompetent fool.

I don't know what physician you are referring to here in AZ, but as an attorney who for years defended medical professionals from malpractice lawsuits for merely doing what any competent physician would do, and as the bf to, over the past several years, two young women in medical school (real M.D. medical school, not the pseudo-doctor chiropractic school) who are now in their respective residencies for anesthesiology and gastroenterology, I will tell you: baloney, it takes a lot more than money to get into medical school, it takes years of disciplined work and effort, and more than a little sacrifice. Those attacking real physicians should ask themselves whether they would prefer a quack anesthesiologist without a legitimate medical school training of 4 years and the attendant 5 additional years of clinical training sedating and monitoring their children's open heart surgery or emergency appendectomy? Perhaps you guys go to a chiropractor to fix a transected bowel? I thought not.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Fair enough. I just couldnt' let that comment stand as is. I've known many people (my wife included) that suffered needlessly for years and rebuffed my suggestions to see a chiropractor -- saying they were quacks. Many of those same people years later finally saw said "quacks" and were finally fixed/relieved of their issues. But I wouldn't take vaccine advice from them either.

I hear ya. I have seen many myself. Most of them I wouldn't recommend, but one of them practically saved my life.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If you met the doctors we have in AZ you would know that any idiot with money can get into a real medical school. Being a doctor does not exclude someone from being an incompetent fool.

I suppose someone could go to a 3rd world nation and get a medical license, but in the U.S. you can't buy entry into a medical school. It's just not the way it works. Now, we could probably talk about what I think of a number of MDs, but that would be another topic entirely.

 

[dinosaur]

Isn't arguing about whether it is difficult to get a medical degree sort of beside the point? IMO, the more relevant question is whether the schools are turning out independent thinkers, or good little agents of the medical establishment.

Why hasn't anyone tried to discredit Dr. Kurt's observation about the timing of vaccines? My dog's vet just told me that the vaccines she received at 6 weeks were useless because the mother's antibodies take precedence and that it is more effective to vaccinate after 12 weeks. Vets still do the 6 week anyway, because "protocol." I don't know much about it, but Dr. Kurt. seems to be saying that a similar principle applies to humans. The rush to get multiple shots into the little ones before 6 months of age is one of the many things that raises a suspicion of intent, for me anyway.

That's an opinion. Vaccines are safe and effective. That's a fact.

"Safe and effective" is just the meme that has accompanied media mention of vaccines for decades. safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective....

 

[angelatc]

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"Safe and effective" is just the meme that has accompanied media mention of vaccines for decades. safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective....

Uh, no. It is a scientific fact based on about 100 years of research, clinical trials and the observation of millions of patients in the general population.

 

[angelatc]

Why hasn't anyone tried to discredit Dr. Kurt's observation about the timing of vaccines?

Because statements like this

Vaccination is simply injecting something into your body. This does not create immunity for your body.

clearly identify him as an ignorant dumbass who should not be taken seriously about anything, ever.

He should have a big sign in his office that says "I didn't get my vaccines, so I'm capable of passing along any disease that my patients drag into my office. And I'm going to be touching you and breathing in very close proximity to your face. Good Luck!"

 

[dinosaur]

Because statements like this clearly identify him as an ignorant dumbass who should not be taken seriously about anything, ever.

He should have a big sign in his office that says "I didn't get my vaccines, so I'm capable of passing along any disease that my patients drag into my office. And I'm going to be touching you and breathing in very close proximity to your face. Good Luck!"

He said that in the context of explaining the difference between vaccination and immunity, though. It wasn't the best choice of words, but he was making the valid point that vaccination and immunity are two different things.

I actually feel more at ease around the unvaxed children in our extended family. The vaccinated ones are always passing along the latest cold and flu viruses to me. They catch everything that goes around. That aside, I understand that the threat of epidemic will always be real. But I don't understand pushing the mentality that everyone has a duty to conform to what is best for the herd.

 

[John Taylor]

He said that in the context of explaining the difference between vaccination and immunity, though. It wasn't the best choice of words, but he was making the valid point that vaccination and immunity are two different things.

I actually feel more at ease around the unvaxed children in our extended family. The vaccinated ones are always passing along the latest cold and flu viruses to me. They catch everything that goes around. That aside, I understand that the threat of epidemic will always be real. But I don't understand pushing the mentality that everyone has a duty to conform to what is best for the herd.

Anecdotal evidence... Pray tell, what happened prior to the advent of modern medicine? Duty to conform to what is best for the herd? No, what is medically best for virtually each and every individual. We don't disparage appendectomies because only virtually each and every person with acute appendicitis needs one, do we? Is that emergency surgery "conforming to what is best for the herd"? Is not refusing to accept the realities of modern medicine quite luddite and contrary to the advancement of civilization and scientific knowledge the classical liberal epoch has handed us?

 

[danda]

@angelatc: please read this book. It thoroughy documents the history of vaccination from the beginning to the present. Until you have read it, it would be pointless for us to debate as we would be talking past eachother. Or at least, I don't wish to spend my time that way. Anyway, I am pointing you towards truth. Do with it (or not) as you will.

Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1480216895/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and if that one interests you, another great and riveting book is "Dr. Mary's Monkey" which also ties in with "Me and Lee".

Ha ha ha! The lengths you guys have to go to in order to avoid the simple truth - vaccines work. They are incredibly safe, incredibly cheap, and probably the most important development in the prevention of disease in the history of the world.

It's pathetic.

 

[PRB]

We are sooo lucky that Big Oil hasn't figured out how to bribe all the scientists that back Global Warming, or something.

yep, that's the point, they only managed to bribe a small portion, or maybe the small portion is just right. But then we have to explain why there is a consensus on global warming, who's paying them?

 

[Cleaner44]

Some are quacks and can do a lot of damage. But, there are others who are God-sent.

I hear ya. I have seen many myself. Most of them I wouldn't recommend, but one of them practically saved my life.

I suppose someone could go to a 3rd world nation and get a medical license, but in the U.S. you can't buy entry into a medical school. It's just not the way it works. Now, we could probably talk about what I think of a number of MDs, but that would be another topic entirely.

So you agree with me that there are quacks with medical degrees that can do a lot of damage, medical doctors that you wouldn't recommend and I would bet that these MDs went to medical schools right here in the good ole USA and got their degrees and licenses here is this 1st world nation. Are we not on the same page?

 

[PRB]

So you agree with me that there are quacks with medical degrees that can do a lot of damage, medical doctors that you wouldn't recommend and I would bet that these MDs went to medical schools right here in the good ole USA and got their degrees and licenses here is this 1st world nation. Are we not on the same page?

we are on the same page as long as you don't take one step further and say "therefore, doctors are not reliable". We can agree there are bad doctors, we can't and won't agree on how many of them account for the total population of the profession.

The fact they got their degrees in first world USA, is irrelevant, unless you have an alternative, which you seem to imply by saying, as if, either 3rd world countries have better medical education and care, or that all are pointless. Which is it?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Isn't arguing about whether it is difficult to get a medical degree sort of beside the point? IMO, the more relevant question is whether the schools are turning out independent thinkers, or good little agents of the medical establishment.

Why hasn't anyone tried to discredit Dr. Kurt's observation about the timing of vaccines? My dog's vet just told me that the vaccines she received at 6 weeks were useless because the mother's antibodies take precedence and that it is more effective to vaccinate after 12 weeks. Vets still do the 6 week anyway, because "protocol." I don't know much about it, but Dr. Kurt. seems to be saying that a similar principle applies to humans. The rush to get multiple shots into the little ones before 6 months of age is one of the many things that raises a suspicion of intent, for me anyway.



"Safe and effective" is just the meme that has accompanied media mention of vaccines for decades. safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective....

We can point to India as an example of the huge impact vaccinations can have. (or accept Dr. Ron Paul calling the Polio vaccine "a blessing"- having seen childhood friends and neighbors die or end up paralized when he was growing up).

http://www.stanford.edu/group/sjph/cgi-bin/sjphsite/polio-eradication-in-india-lessons-for-pakistan/

India, Pakistan’s neighbor to the west, has also faced a long battle against polio. As recently as 2009, India had the highest number of polio cases in the world.2 Like Pakistan, India faces rampant poverty, high birthrates, large populations and remotely located communities. Along the same lines, India has weak public healthcare infrastructure, reflected in its poor track record of delivering medical care. For example, India was ranked 112th of 191 by the WHO in terms of its ability to deliver adequate healthcare to its citizens.[xii] Despite these challenges, India has implemented measures that such that January 2010 marks the last reported case of polio.[xiii] Political commitment was the primary change that made India successful in its fight against polio. With political backing from the ruling Congress Party, the Indian government apportioned significant resources to polio eradication campaign. By 2013, India will have invested nearly $2 billion to combat polio.[xiv] As a result of this political support nearly 170 million Indian children are immunized through two national polio vaccination campaigns each year. Furthermore, India was effective with targeting nomadic populations by using better mapping technologies in conjunction with the aid of local community workers. Not only did these workers better understand nomadic populations, but they also were able to gain the trust of people they served. India’s robust surveillance and immunization network was crucial to polio eradication operations 4as well. To date, India has 33,700 reporting sites, managed with the assistance of 2.5 million vaccinators.11 The infrastructure established by India’s polio campaign has encouraged additional immunization campaigns. Because of these customized political measures, India has been able to defeat polio, a threat that has dominated the land for hundreds of years.

In the space of just two years, they went from being the largest source of polio cases in the world to having NONE reported following an extensive vaccination program.

 

[PRB]

We can point to India as an example of the huge impact vaccinations can have. (or accept Dr. Ron Paul calling the Polio vaccine "a blessing"- having seen childhood friends and neighbors die or end up paralized when he was growing up).

http://www.stanford.edu/group/sjph/cgi-bin/sjphsite/polio-eradication-in-india-lessons-for-pakistan/


In the space of just two years, they went from being the largest source of polio cases in the world to having NONE reported following an extensive vaccination program.

Is it possible that they just killed, threatened or bribed people with polio to shut up so they can report a nice zero? And did they count the autism cases alongside?

 

[Cleaner44]

we are on the same page as long as you don't take one step further and say "therefore, doctors are not reliable". We can agree there are bad doctors, we can't and won't agree on how many of them account for the total population of the profession.

The fact they got their degrees in first world USA, is irrelevant, unless you have an alternative, which you seem to imply by saying, as if, either 3rd world countries have better medical education and care, or that all are pointless. Which is it?

Why would I say doctors are not reliable? That doesn't even make sense to me.

My position is that there are many incompetent fools in every profession, regardless of degrees. Additionally there are many brilliant minds that don't have degrees or degrees in subjects that they are well versed in, such as Ron Paul.

I doubt that 3rd world countries have better schools than the USA in general, but getting a degree in the USA doesn't mean the education was worth much. See Paul Krugman.

 

[angelatc]

Is it possible that they just killed, threatened or bribed people with polio to shut up so they can report a nice zero? And did they count the autism cases alongside?

Indoor plumbing. All of india learned to wash their hands and got indoor plumbing in the span of those 2 years. Amazing coincidence.

 

[PRB]

Why would I say doctors are not reliable? That doesn't even make sense to me.

Ask Donnay, something tells me an anti-vaxxer like him would say exactly that.