Don't vote !!!

Alex Libman

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I originally posted this on another thread:

I'm done with electoral politics. It only encourages the status quo. Think of all the time and money that was wasted on the Ron Paul campaign, and it was mere masturbation - it made us feel good for a while, but it didn't accomplish anything, and it has kept us from going after the real thing. Imagine all that time and money going toward something like the Free State Project, or, better yet, the Seasteading Institute! You cannot free those who want to be slaves! Ultimately, the only vote that matters is when the best and brightest of this country vote with their feet, leave for greener pastures, and lead by example. Sooner or later, Atlas will shrug!


It got a number of replies. I don't want to "hijack" that thread, so I'll reply here instead:


That may be a solution for libertarians. It is not a solution for us conservatives. We may want our own state to secede, but we don't want to pick up and abandon our homes and everything we hold dear for the achievement of mere political goals.

What do you hope to accomplish staying where you are? You will never achieve electoral majority to influence your politics, and if you ever did the Federal Government is likely to interfere. When people see your "Ron Paul" sign they think "Ha!" and when Ron Paul loses they think "Democracy works, yay!" - you've consented to a rigged game and you lost. But when people see your "Don't Vote, Don't Pay Taxes" sign, they're gonna notice. And I'm not even saying you shouldn't pay taxes even if they hold a gun to your head, but if every Ron Paul voter forced the IRS to do that then the system would collapse!


If it hadn't been for such "masturbation," I and thousands of other people would never have been woken up to the principles of liberty. The Ron Paul campaign was probably the best investment of libertarians' time and money in all of American history, with the possible exception of the original Revolution.

If Ron Paul didn't run for president, people who support him would have needed to find a different means of expressing their political frustration with the status quo, and those alternative means could have been even more effective in "spreading the message" and educating others than the political circus that's driven by appeasing the MSM!
 
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If Ron Paul hadn't run for president, most people wouldn't have known that they were slaves to a rigged system. If Ron Paul hadn't run for president, most people wouldn't know about the Federal Reserve, and why our money and middle class status is being inflated away. If Ron Paul hadn't run for president, we would still be voting for neocons or democrats (or both) with no awareness of the true problems.

None of your methods would have reached more anyone more than a fringe of people who already knew what you were talking about. I certainly wouldn't have paid any attention to you or your filthy hippie pals (which is how I would have characterized you before I learned more about the freedom movement).

Ron Paul's run is the best thing that has happened in this country for the past 100 years, and don't doubt that for a second. That other stuff may be neat, but in the end it is worthless. The only way to really change America is to convert average people to our cause. If you are all living together on some God-forsaken bucket, or if you invade some state like a bunch of anarchistic barbarians, you aren't going to get anywhere. More likely, you are just going to die, and in vain at that.

Just spread the word. While the truncheon in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Remember that.
 
I'm not saying that what we accomplished with Ron Paul was worthless, quite to the contrary, but the question is - what do we do now, beyond 2008? I'm not going to blame anybody for voting, it's a personal choice; but, after dozens of pages of debating to the contrary, I am gradually coming to the conclusion that more can be accomplished by working outside the rigged political game than within it!

An Anarcho-Capitalist bumper sticker will get even more attention than a Ron Paul one (people are used to seeing names they don't care about), and you wouldn't have to change it after every election! A registry of a million "vote resisters" is no less powerful than a million votes for any politician, and no politician is perfect, not even Ron Paul. Pro-liberty politicians may come and go, and the powers that be can sabotage them if they ever become a threat, but ideas... Ideas are bulletproof!

It's probably true that most Ron Paul supporters first saw him on televised debates, which he could participate in as a 10-term U.S. congressman from the neo-con party, but Ron Paul is one man and he has his limitations, especially considering his age. It was a perfect storm for using the MSM to spread the message of liberty - though Ron Paul's message is watered down quite a bit compared to his 1988 Libertarian Party platform, and the current LP platform is watered down even further. And, while I'm willing to believe that his own intentions were most noble, the MSM and the mainstream political apparatus used Ron Paul as a Judas goat to pull us in! We've spent millions of dollars on MSM ads, we boosted turnout at the neo-con party primaries, and we even got a blimp encouraging people to use NSA's younger brother (Google) to research our idol! And what did all this working within the system get us? It benefited the system, not ourselves!

If directed outside the system instead, all the enthusiasm that the Ron Paul has generated could have done a lot more good. Instead of sucking up to the MSM, our own media venues could be established. Instead of handing out fliers promoting Ron Paul's personal character over Rudy McRomney's, we could have been handing out more substantive educational materials instead. If you understand the Non-Aggression Principle then it doesn't really matter whether you understand Social Security privatization or the situation on the ground in Iraq!

And I'm not just saying that the system is rigged because voting machines are unverifiable, or lack of rank-based voting that encourages a duopoly, or because the MSM is biased - I'm questioning the very foundation of the political system itself! What's the difference between a "democracy" and a government that gains its power from the "Divine Right of Kings" or "Mandate of Heaven" - those too impose limits on what the government can get away with. Democracy is a little less bloody (until it votes to go to war), but what gives the majority the "divine right" to rule a minority?

The system exists on the backs of fools and cowards, and fools and cowards are in majority - always have been, and always will be. You can fight to death to force them to change, or you can unchain yourself from them and lead by example - I prefer the latter!
 
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I see a lot of philosophical truth in your post, Alex, but even though this sounds corny, here goes:

The Ron Paul campaign was more about getting the message, the wake-up call out to as many people who would respond, than getting Ron Paul into the White House, cause the system is rigged as you stated. I'm not talking Diebold, the Bilderberg puppet masters, etc. Simply, many people are too ignorant to recognize that their slavery is ultimately self-chosen.

The campaign is over, and while many are working outside of the Campaign for Liberty on projects that they believe will offer better results, those opting for reform instead of rebirth have the right to do so.

If you prosper in more independent projects like FSP and SS, others will take notice. None of us should be holding you back, the clock is ticking, so get to work! :)
 
So according to the picture, we're going to fight the armies of the status quo with one tank, a bunch of guys with machetes and ron paul 2008 signs?
 
...if you invade some state like a bunch of anarchistic barbarians, you aren't going to get anywhere. More likely, you are just going to die...

All of us are going to die someday. Would you rather die fighting for something you believe in, or being a slave to the elite?

Live free or die is not just a slogan. It is the motto of all truly free people everywhere.
 
RP is an icon for liberty and that is why he made it to AIYH... several times.

My favorites:

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Pardon me if I interrupted.
 
If Ron Paul hadn't run for president, most people wouldn't have known that they were slaves to a rigged system. If Ron Paul hadn't run for president, most people wouldn't know about the Federal Reserve, and why our money and middle class status is being inflated away. If Ron Paul hadn't run for president, we would still be voting for neocons or democrats (or both) with no awareness of the true problems.
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Ron Paul's run is the best thing that has happened in this country for the past 100 years, and don't doubt that for a second.

Correct to some extent.

But maybe that phase is over. Those who could've been
awaken, are now awake.

I don't completely know where Alex Libman is coming from
but I've been thinking in similar lines, hence my interest in
the topic of "Don't Vote". I was thinking if there would be
a way to unregister from my voting status. I am done with
our current political system and the Republican Party.

I am removing my Ron Paul decal from my car today.

The system is rigged. You can't win playing their rigged
game. So I have decided to STOP playing the fool who
thinks hiis vote counts.

It is time for use to fight THE SYSTEM in a new way. I am
not sure what that is yet, but I am going to work on that.
 
It is time for use to fight THE SYSTEM in a new way. I am
not sure what that is yet, but I am going to work on that.

You fight the system by getting out of the system - if the inevitable timeline of all civilizations is

Tyranny->Revolution->Freedom->Prosperity->Dependency->Tyranny->[Repeat cycle]

then all you can do as a "little guy" is to help speed the process up. We're somewhere past the midpoint of the "Dependency" stage, and if we don't have the tools to reverse course, the best option is to employ every means of agitating the waters in this stage of the "wash cycle." The more rapidly we stir the sh*t, the quicker it will hit the fan. Might as well get it over with.

To avoid incriminating myself, I won't mention specific tactics - but a good concept to keep in mind is that the emptier Uncle Sam's pockets get, the more desperate his moves become. And he always punishes everyone equally, 'cause he's a commie like that. People can only take so much punishment before they realize that they don't have to take it anymore. Then, the ax will fall.

Local and self-sufficient economies, people...
 
All of us are going to die someday. Would you rather die fighting for something you believe in, or being a slave to the elite?

Live free or die is not just a slogan. It is the motto of all truly free people everywhere.

Damn right.

"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - José Martí
 
Nonpolitical Libertarian Strategies:
1. Voluntaryism - People simply withdraw consent through nonvoting, taxes, and will not consent to being governed by force.
http://www.voluntaryist.com/articles/073.php

Example: Colonials in America declared their Independence of England and no longer gave consent to their governors.

2. Agorism - People use blackmarkets to weaken the government. Markets produce better products than the state so people choose markets to do the services of the state. Blackmarkets cannot be taxed which weakens the state.
http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/nlm/nlm5.html

Example: Agorism in colonial America helped them bring about revolution through ignoring laws such as the navigation acts and other taxes.

3. Passive Resistance - People passively resist the government. Police are known to initiate force against the innocent and nonviolent. Through media and the internet, the populace will see the testimony against the state.
http://www.voluntaryist.com/articles/027b.php

Example: Gandhi in Indian Revolution.

4. Education - People through learning and becoming smart tend to rebel. This is exactly why the slaves in America started to rebel. As a slave became smarter, that slave was worth more. However, that slave also attempted to escape more because he was smarter. Thus, slavery was dubbed the perculior institution.

Example: The enlightenment sparked the most revolutions in recorded history throughout the world.
 
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