"Don't talk to the police"

[Dr.3D]

It's not the first thing we learn in police academy but we do spend 2 weeks straight studying it and have to take a test on it, I guess you still know more about it than me though.

Seems rather obvious when you didn't know the 5th Amendment applies to police questioning.

 

[CopThatSupportsRonPaul]

Seems rather obvious when you didn't know the 5th Amendment applies to police questioning.

No. It doesn't.

The point of the 5th amendment is for you don't testify as a witness for one crime, which while testifying could incriminate your for another crime that you personally committed some other time.

Call any lawyer, judge, police officer, anyone that is a professional of law, and they will tell you the same.

Hey, you're not a lawyer, but you do play one on the internet!

 

[MRoCkEd]

"nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"
it doesn't say for another crime at some other time

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

We like it when people cooperate with us... being a stubborn ass isn't going to help your cause. By not talking, it creates more unnecessary work for us. If you want us to extend courtesy to you, you must also extend courtesy to us. We are just trying to do our job, and when someone makes our job harder, it doesn't exactly make us happy. Just as no one, on any job, would be happy if someone was hindering their work.

Since this is a gov't of the people, by the people and for the people. WE ARE YOUR BOSS!!!. I don't care who the moneychangers are robbing for your paycheck this week, the fact that, in a constitutional republic, WE ARE YOUR BOSS!!! is irrefutable. The arrogance and provocativeness that I have seen you display here is a good example of what is wrong with public SERVANTS today. In impersonal terms WE ARE SUPERIOR TO YOU!!! it behooves the inferior to extend courtesy before expecting it from his superior. WAKE UP!!!

No. It doesn't.

The point of the 5th amendment is for you don't testify as a witness for one crime, which while testifying could incriminate your for another crime that you personally committed some other time.

Call any lawyer, judge, police officer, anyone that is a professional of law, and they will tell you the same.

Hey, you're not a lawyer, but you do play one on the internet!

BS-

Alito goes on: ... the fifth amendment was intended to preserve the common law privilege against self-incrimination and that the privilege, as interpreted at the time of the Bill of Rights, encompassed the compulsory production of papers." [page 35]
http://presidentaristotle.blogspot.com/2005/11/scalito-and-founding-fathers-why-he.html

emphasis added

 

[Fox McCloud]

In that case, I have a special jar for you. My penny jar - I keep it with me in my cruiser. When someone says they pay my salary, I say "sorry, here's a refund" and give them a penny. Since only $0.01 of your taxes actually go to my salary.

I don't see how that could be--my county only has about 46,000 people in it (around 32,000 who are adults), and there's approximately (and this is a very conservative estimate) 20 cops in the county...are you actually insinuating that each of these cops only make $1600 a year? I don't think so.

Granted, I know that there's tickets and fines, but I don't see how that could push their paychecks up to $30,000-$40,000 (or whatever the average salary is for cops).

I just did the calculations for my county, and it comes to $192 for each adult (and not all of these are paying taxes, so it's likely around $200-$250) for funding law enforcement...I can't see just 1 penny of that going to a cops salary.

 

[CopThatSupportsRonPaul]

I don't see how that could be--my county only has about 46,000 people in it (around 32,000 who are adults), and there's approximately (and this is a very conservative estimate) 20 cops in the county...are you actually insinuating that each of these cops only make $1600 a year? I don't think so.

Granted, I know that there's tickets and fines, but I don't see how that could push their paychecks up to $30,000-$40,000 (or whatever the average salary is for cops).

I just did the calculations for my county, and it comes to $192 for each adult (and not all of these are paying taxes, so it's likely around $200-$250) for funding law enforcement...I can't see just 1 penny of that going to a cops salary.

Well it does.

Now judges and schools on the other hand, a lot more of your taxes go to that. Especially judges. Their entire salary is your taxes.

 

[CopThatSupportsRonPaul]

"nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself"
it doesn't say for another crime at some other time

So how can a person who committed the crime, also be a witness, brainiac? It's obvious it does mean for another crime. It doesn't matter how you interpret the constitution, and we can all interpret it differently. What does matter is how the courts and judges interpret it.

And since 1776, they haven't once interpreted it the way you are saying. So nice try.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Don't talk to the police
"Under no circumstances..."

If they are standing around, or directing traffic, at a summertime event it is safe to say "Hello" or "Have A Nice Night."

Anyone disagree?

 

[CopThatSupportsRonPaul]

Don't talk to the police
"Under no circumstances..."

If they are standing around, or directing traffic, at a summertime event it is safe to say "Hello" or "Have A Nice Night."

Anyone disagree?

I don't disagree. I love it when people strike up conversations with me, I'm a human being too and deserve some human interaction here and there. It can turn a slow, boring day into a great day.

You know what I like about this job? You think you've seen it all, and then something else happens. Every day, it's something different. I have thousands of interesting stories to tell. I see things the majority of the human population will never see.

People love hearing those stories, just as I like telling them. Next time you see me getting coffee at that dunkin' donuts, why don't you sit down and let me tell you some stories?

As much as you are indoctrined by the media to believe that us officers are robots being controlled by Dr. Evil, we aren't.

 

[TruckinMike]

Being that I started this thread I thought I would interject in this little bash fest.

1. not all cops are bad
2. the video was to protect you from the bad ones
3. if we get into a shooting battle with our rogue government in a revolution, I'm betting that CopThatSupportsRonPaul and some of his brethren would be shooting in the same direction as the rest of us. SO take it easy on him. Remember he is a Ron Paul supporter.

TMike

 

[LibertyEagle]

It's not the first thing we learn in police academy but we do spend 2 weeks straight studying it and have to take a test on it, I guess you still know more about it than me though.

Only 2 weeks? That's all?

 

[yongrel]

Only 2 weeks? That's all?

That's 13 days more than kids in public school get.

 

[Cowlesy]

My personal opinion, I am glad we have lots of police in NYC.

We can argue all day in circles about it, but this place would be chaos without them. I am sure some people would rather walk around armed-to-the-teeth ready for the apocalypse, but not me.

All the ones I have talked to were really good guys, and sure maybe this is because I am your typical white-guy so I don't have auto-threat stamped on my forehead, but I see them being nice and helpful to others too. To me, they are like me waiting to call it a day, and head home. If I was ever to fall in the middle of a situation where an officer intended to point a finger at me because he was mis-interpreting the facts, like the OP said, I'd just naturally shutup and deal with it in the legal arena.

Big cities though are much different than small towns, so that comes into place.

Welcome to the board CopThatSupportsRonPaul!

 

[CopThatSupportsRonPaul]

Only 2 weeks? That's all?

Police academy is 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, at least NY State academy is. That's quite a few hours devoted to just learning the constitution.

Trust me, we learn it well, because if us officers violate the constitution, it puts the whole department at huge risk, and they don't want to hire us if we are going to put it at risk.

 

[Dr.3D]

So how can a person who committed the crime, also be a witness, brainiac? It's obvious it does mean for another crime. It doesn't matter how you interpret the constitution, and we can all interpret it differently. What does matter is how the courts and judges interpret it.

And since 1776, they haven't once interpreted it the way you are saying. So nice try.

Actually, a person who is accused of a crime does not have to be a witness in his own trial. When you see a person who is a witness in his own trial, it is because he waived his 5th amendment rights and has volunteered to be a witness. A person is never required to act as a witness in his own trial.

 

[Doktor_Jeep]

The main reason not to talk to police when innocent is that you can be accused of telling lies.

If you don't talk to the cops at all, you cannot be accused of that.

It's called "covering your ass".

Cops should not take it personally. I tell them why I don't talk to them: because I can choose not to and the highest legal experts recommend it.

If a cop cannot handle that, then he needs to find another job.

 

[kaleidoscope eyes]

remember, the right to remain silent? well, we're just taking our right, not trying to piss off a cop. Don't take it personally.

 

[CopThatSupportsRonPaul]

remember, the right to remain silent? well, we're just taking our right, not trying to piss off a cop. Don't take it personally.

you also have the right to go into burger king, stand in line for 10 hours without ordering anything, that doesn't mean it isn't going to piss the workers off.

 

[Fox McCloud]

While I have a deep respect for the what cops do, I have a generally bad view of them, especially in my area.

of course it doesn't help when the police conspire behind closed doors (and quite a few know it), and there's suspicious activities at times--plus, of course, I would much rather prefer a private police force funded by voluntary contributions, fines, etc (no tax-dollars what-so-ever)..but either way, the cops in this area put a really bad taste in my mouth.

you also have the right to go into burger king, stand in line for 10 hours without ordering anything, that doesn't mean it isn't going to piss the workers off.

Actually...whoever owns the store has full private property rights, so if he (or the Manager) says "get out, you've been wasting my time and store space", he'll have to.

 

[kaleidoscope eyes]

you also have the right to go into burger king, stand in line for 10 hours without ordering anything, that doesn't mean it isn't going to piss the workers off.

you can get pissed, but why? So this person isn't saying anything. It's what they're supposed to do anyway, take them in, let them lawyer up, or let them go.

it is what it is, I do believe?

Or are you saying, just because they're ticking you off with silence you then have right to harass or do violence to them? what are you getting at?