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TIME TO CALL A COMMUNIST A COMMUNIST
Townhall.com ^ | Oct. 16, 2008 | Laura Hollis

Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:33:45 PM by patriot08

I am tired of all the dancing around the subject with respect to Barack Obama’s political, social, and economic views. He’s not a “liberal,” or a “Democrat,” or a “progressive,” or even a “socialist.” Let’s call it what it is, shall we? It’s time to use the “C” word. His policies are communist, pure and simple.

Even without the power of the Presidency, a filibuster-proof Senate, and U.S. Supreme Court appointments under his belt, Obama has already:

* called for a national citizen military force;

* sent government agents to intimidate American citizens who have said they don’t agree with him and will not vote for him;

* tried to use the offices of state Attorneys General to silence any opposition or dissent;

* offered questionable “support” for the Second Amendment “right to bear arms” – as long as it isn’t in self-defense;

* proposed his version of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need;” (plumbers – plumbers, for pity’s sake, should pay more taxes???)

* trained, funded and utilized organizations like ACORN that are notorious for voter registration fraud;

* consorted with and funded terrorists and anti-American radicals;

* attended a church led by a racist, black supremacist, anti-American bigot;

* been mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, who was apparently not only a Communist and a bigot, but also a pervert, and who warned Obama not to go off to college or fall for “equal opportunity and the American way and all that s***.”

Despite concerted efforts by the media to hide this information, Obama’s connections with the Communist Party have been unearthed by independent investigators, journalists and bloggers. And like clockwork, Obama apologists and handlers are trying to assuage the public’s concerns with assurances that Obama is “not that radical;” he knows that “socialism is dead;” he is a pragmatist, not an ideologue.

Uh-huh. Sure. Well, they got the “pragmatist” part right, anyway. Obama’s immersion in the philosophy of Saul Alinsky has made him a master of political pragmatism. Conservatives make another fundamental error when they wonder why Obama is heralding policies like higher taxes that have been proven, time and time again, to fail. Newsflash: You don’t get it. It’s not that Obama is ignorant, or misguided. He knows – as do his Red backers – that the policies he espouses will cause further economic trauma. This is deliberate. Because the worse things get, the more receptive the public will be to Obama’s & Co.’s honey-tongued assurances that the government will step in and “make it all better.” Look at Hurricane Katrina, and the recent financial crisis: how many people were clamoring for the government to “do something”? And that’s nothing compared to what we’re going to face when Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid collapse.

Obama’s colleagues are shrewd; they know that they have little chance of taking over all of private enterprise by force. Instead, they want the public to hand it over to them, bit by bit.

Even the briefest study of Communist Party ideology dating back to the 1930s reveals a concerted campaign to infiltrate and destroy the United States from within, by gaining control of the universities, of the media, of primary and secondary school, of the courts, and ultimately the entire government. Joseph McCarthy’s monumentally bad rap notwithstanding, dozens of former spies have come forward, as have the documents, attesting to the Party’s intentions. When the Soviet Union fell in 1989, those ideas pretty much went the way of the dodo in Russia, but they have been alive and well in this country for 80 years. People like William Ayers are proof.

Communism is – at best – a failed business model. At worst it is a recipe for slaughter. In its initial phases, communism depends upon arrogance, ignorance, deceit, and complicity. Its advocates and standard-bearers are typically messianic ideologues who use economic hardship to deceive well-meaning but woefully ignorant people into agreeing with its basic premises. Once in power, however, the communists themselves are merciless, for two reasons: one, communists have a deistic view of their own righteousness and benevolent intentions. And two, the principles of communism are fundamentally flawed and utterly at odds with human nature. Everyone is only “equal” in the eyes of God; using earthly measures (talent, ability, skills, interests, motivation), humans are as different as can be. Attempts to create equal results, as opposed to equal opportunity, are doomed to failure. Failure, in communists, produces frustration. And frustration, in communists, results in oppression.

Because of principle #2, above, communism has always resulted in economic deprivation – if not outright starvation - on a widespread scale. And so because of principle #1, the opposition – and this becomes a larger and larger segment of the population as time goes on – must be silenced, because they cannot be “converted.” When that is not enough (and it is never enough), they are jailed, sent to forced labor camps, starved, shot, flayed, buried alive, tortured, dismembered and killed in whatever novel and despicable ways the communists can come up with to silence dissent and usher in utopia.

These practices are not the exception. They are the rule. In the pantheon of the Unholy Church of Communism, the patron saints are Vladimir Lenin, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Kim Jong Il, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot. Millions of people have suffered and died at the hands of these butchers – initially hailed as redeemers, visionaries, and liberators but who turned out to be nothing more than elitist bastards cloaked in the guise of “social equality” who thought they knew what was best for everyone else.

Communism has failed everywhere it has been tried. We have nearly 100 years and 100 million corpses as proof. The only people who believe otherwise are certain American liberals – because they are the most ignorant people on the planet, and because they have never had to live under it.

But never have the communists felt closer to achieving their goal than they are now. Make no mistake, they are waiting behind Barack Obama, panting and slavering at the prospect of taking over every branch of government, systematically dismantling the economic system that has provided our country with unprecedented prosperity and dissolving the procedural protections that have insulated us from the oppression, starvation, despair, and death that has accompanied communism and every other form of tyranny.

Americans seem ready to hand over their lives and livelihoods to this bloviating neophyte with associations so unsavory they should render his candidacy a joke. It would be inscrutable even if there were not so much precedent. We’ve all heard people exclaim, when examining incident after historical incident of genocide, or government oppression, “How could that have happened?” In the same breath, they assure themselves that it couldn’t happen here because, “America is different.”

This is breathtakingly ignorant, and it is a dangerous falsehood. There is NOTHING exceptional about Americans as human beings. We are subject to same whims, caprices, fears and lusts for power as every other human beings.

What is exceptional is our economic and political system. If we dismantle the very procedural protections that were put into place to protect us from tyranny (by people who had lived with tyranny and knew it well), then tyranny is what we will get.

And we are being lured into the same noose that has ensnared so many millions of hapless souls, despite reams of pages of history. We express horror at the Hitler Youth in little matching uniforms singing “Hitler will save us, Hitler is our Lord,” but then we smile and laugh as we see grade schoolers in matching blue t-shirts singing, “Obama’s gonna save us.” We are outraged by the army of children in Sudan, but think nothing of American black boys in camouflage pumping their fists and chanting propaganda from Obama’s campaign. We are repulsed by some dictators’ claims that they are gods, but shrug it off as insignificant when Louis Farrakhan – a vicious anti-semite, among other reprehensible things – says “the Messiah is speaking” in a speech referring to Obama.

Still don’t think it can happen here? Well, you’re in good company. Neither did the Russians. Or the Germans. Or the Chinese. Or the North Koreans. Or the Vietnamese. Or the Cubans. Or the Cambodians.

Critics will call this alarmist fear-mongering. So be it. Don’t say you haven’t been warned.
 
I think everyone here agrees Obama is a Marxist of some sort. However, I still wouldn't vote for McCain even if Obama were Joe Stalin's grandson.
 
I think everyone here agrees Obama is a Marxist of some sort. However, I still wouldn't vote for McCain even if Obama were Joe Stalin's grandson.

Agreed.

McCain *might* be slightly better and take slightly longer to destroy this country, but the end result will be similar. Loss of freedoms, further erosion of our Constitution.

It's a lose-lose scenario for freedom this voting season. I'll be voting third party, which as a home-educator who believes Obama will fast-track squashing our freedom to do so faster than McCain....was a tough decision. However, I do not want to "pick my poison" or chose the "lesser of two evils", I want to vote for someone who isn't a socialist, communist, or fascist.
 
Agreed.

McCain *might* be slightly better and take slightly longer to destroy this country, but the end result will be similar. Loss of freedoms, further erosion of our Constitution.

It's a lose-lose scenario for freedom this voting season. I'll be voting third party, which as a home-educator who believes Obama will fast-track squashing our freedom to do so faster than McCain....was a tough decision. However, I do not want to "pick my poison" or chose the "lesser of two evils", I want to vote for someone who isn't a socialist, communist, or fascist.

Hey tones...

Agree with you completely... McCain could be a stop gap a placeholder until RP movement can gain some ground...
 
Hey tones...

Agree with you completely... McCain could be a stop gap a placeholder until RP movement can gain some ground...
Have a little common sense. The GOP will feel even less need to worry about us when they see success in the neocon establishment.

And tones, since you seem to enjoy throwing the words "communist" and "socialist" around like it's 1953, here's another one for you: neocon shill. GRIM
 
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Use your brain.... its not all about "US" your liberty is at stake... Your freedom to reform it is too.

Sorry, Bush has almost finished off liberty and freedom to reform. McCain or Obama will be more than happy to provide the death blow, if allowed. There's zero difference between the two parties and their fail candidates anymore.
 
endthefed...RON PAUL HAS SPOKEN! Therefore...ya can't have freedom of rational thought. I'm sorry...I blame Ron Paul for pushing these kids to do exactly the WRONG THING. I love his message...but splitting the movement so Obama the communist and the communist party can take over all branches of the government with no checks and balances..makes me go HMMMMM. SOMEBODY is and has been giving Ron Paul bad advice...he needs to GET rid of em. This movement will DIE a death under Barak Obama...because he and his communist party will have 4-8 years to reform this government to block it. I agree with you...John McCain slows things down and gives us a little more time to organize. I am VERY distressed about the advice coming form C$L. I will continue to speak out to these kids untill I'm banned. I hope it doesn't happen..but I have the movements BEST interests at heart here...we MUST stop the Communist train NOW! TONES
 
"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

- John Quincy Adams


I will NOT vote for McCain, sorry but I have to stand by my believes no matter what.
 
endthefed...RON PAUL HAS SPOKEN! Therefore...ya can't have freedom of rational thought. I'm sorry...I blame Ron Paul for pushing these kids to do exactly the WRONG THING. I love his message...but splitting the movement so Obama the communist and the communist party can take over all branches of the government with no checks and balances..makes me go HMMMMM. SOMEBODY is and has been giving Ron Paul bad advice...he needs to GET rid of em. This movement will DIE a death under Barak Obama...because he and his communist party will have 4-8 years to reform this government to block it. I agree with you...John McCain slows things down and gives us a little more time to organize. I am VERY distressed about the advice coming form C$L. I will continue to speak out to these kids untill I'm banned. I hope it doesn't happen..but I have the movements BEST interests at heart here...we MUST stop the Communist train NOW! TONES

Yea... me too. I wondered if it was mostly "kids" that we were talking too also..

They really don't seem to have a lot of life experiance... they seem very exuberant but not very wise...
 
Yea... me too. I wondered if it was mostly "kids" that we were talking too also..

They really don't seem to have a lot of life experiance... they seem very exuberant but not very wise...

Haha I'm sorry but because I refuse to agree with you I am a kid?

look I don't care how you go and vote, go vote McCain, but don't sit and pander over and over and over to convince us others to go against what we believe.

I don't mean this as an attack, we need to keep is civil here.
 
Haha I'm sorry but because I refuse to agree with you I am a kid?

look I don't care how you go and vote, go vote McCain, but don't sit and pander over and over and over to convince us others to go against what we believe.

I don't mean this as an attack, we need to keep is civil here.

I appreciate the civility... I very much agree.

If you had/have seen the vitrial and the stuff that has been flung at me and I assume tones, you would understand my comments..

It is not meant to impune all here and if someone has a legitiment, intellegent thoughtful, and respectful disagreement then that is fine, but this crap that get thrown at me (Troll, republican shill, get the fuck out...) is bs and childish.
 
Look...I care about you..I care about the Liberty movement and I care about keeping our republic and our constitution..I am NOT the enemy. I believe Ron Paul's message is the BEST..look how many others also believe it! If we are split up all over the place voting for many different candidates how does this solidify the movement? I am trying to post important things that might hurt the movement.,,,like a communist president, cabinet and congress. No checks and balances. Please don't shoot the messenger. If you don't want to admit on this forum that you want to vote for McCain ..then dont! I can take the heat. I'm trying to save our Liberty movement here...and McCain will SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS of stealing the rest of our liberty until we can gain more ground. This movement doesn't have the numbers yet to make a real impact! PLEASE THINK! TONES
 
I agree that there are some people here who forget that we stand by the message more then the man, I think that is why we have seen Ron take a bit of a back seat right now. He has recognized this and is trying to stop it. As far as people voting for different party's/people I think this is fine, we all knew that this movement wouldn't take off over night, and think of how long some people have been trying to push it. We are still in the educational portion of the movement.

Our job is to awaken as many people as we can, teach, and lead by example. Now does this mean you have to vote for a certain person? No, we should vote anyway we feel. So long as we don't go against our princables. If your reason to vote for McCain is to slow a socialist agenda then thats fine, and is very commendable.

But let me state it again, no matter what happens in this years election remember we have four years to wake people, look at what Ron and his campaign did in two years. Also remember that our focus is much more then the president, its congress, and local government.

For me why I will not vote McCain is that the argument is the same as it was when bush ran the second time, vote for him because Kerry will be much worse. I can't do that again.

Also I don't think that you are a republican shill or any other such nonsense I have seen both of you post before and I think that it is obvious that you are not.
 
I agree that there are some people here who forget that we stand by the message more then the man, I think that is why we have seen Ron take a bit of a back seat right now. He has recognized this and is trying to stop it. As far as people voting for different party's/people I think this is fine, we all knew that this movement wouldn't take off over night, and think of how long some people have been trying to push it. We are still in the educational portion of the movement.

Our job is to awaken as many people as we can, teach, and lead by example. Now does this mean you have to vote for a certain person? No, we should vote anyway we feel. So long as we don't go against our princables. If your reason to vote for McCain is to slow a socialist agenda then thats fine, and is very commendable.

But let me state it again, no matter what happens in this years election remember we have four years to wake people, look at what Ron and his campaign did in two years. Also remember that our focus is much more then the president, its congress, and local government.

For me why I will not vote McCain is that the argument is the same as it was when bush ran the second time, vote for him because Kerry will be much worse. I can't do that again.

Also I don't think that you are a republican shill or any other such nonsense I have seen both of you post before and I think that it is obvious that you are not.


Thank you...

I agree with his post completely... OK there are 3 of us that understand this..

Now lets win the rest.... :)
 
It's all about changing hearts and minds. I like G Edward Griffin's Freedom Force idea. Infiltrate existing organizations, stay away from collectivism , in other words dont' group up..spread OUT (you know like an infantry squad..so the enemy can't infiltrate and kill the whole squad with one bomb) and work individually to change hearts and minds. It's a great concept. One bomb can collectively destroy the whole group....please be mindful of this. tones
 
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