Don't Lose Hope. Thing are going according to plan

Come now people...do you believe this simply because you read it on the intertubes? I am nearly certain that rules for delegates at the national convention are determined by each state. Meaning: in some states all delegates must vote how their state voted (at least in the first round). Other states the delegates are free to vote for whomever. I am searching the internet for verification. If someone can find a link to a more believable site, I'd appreciate it.
 
Redcard said:
So does calling someone a troll make you feel better? Because, frankly, we've voiced these complaints for a while, it seems, and nobody did anything about it except call us trolls.

Well, now you're seeing what happens when a campaign is pathetically run.

It didn't have to be this way. Stop blaming us because Ron Paul couldn't get his crap together.
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I agree with you for the most part. We could possibly have been doing better with better campaign runners. What did they do with all of that money??

And troll is so overused on here.
 
Stop This Crap.

christagious said:
Read the article
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/34128

DELEGATES? A MUST READ! IT WILL MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD!
Posted February 5th, 2008 by eilif

original article at http://ron-paul-campaign....

Tuesday, February 5, 2008
The Super Tuesday Winner

Ok, so I said I would come back to how someone can "steal" a victory. From what I know, this is how it works -- in a brokered convention, ANY STATE DELEGATE IS NOT BOUND TO VOTE FOR ANY PARTICULAR CANDIDATE.
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This is a lie. This person does NOT know how it works.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384

Reposting and bumping does not change reality. Grow up already, please.
 
All I know is that Delegates are spread out all over the place. We just need 5 territories or states to secure the deal.
 
Bradley in DC said:
This is a lie. This person does NOT know how it works.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384

Reposting and bumping does not change reality. Grow up already, please.
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Grow up?? What's that supposed to mean? I read an article and thought it was true. Sorry that I don't live on these forums to be able to find the thread you put up here. What the fuck is "grow up" supposed to mean? I"m immature because I don't want to lose hope? There are some serious dicks on this forum, no wonder Obama is getting so much support, his people are nice.
 
Bump to the OP for being positive. Statistically there is almost no chance of a brokered convention, and even though we have been winning delegates in caucus's we are still number 4 delegate wise.

But I will keep this positive too; we should be supporting local candidates during 2008 as well as Dr. Paul. I have a feeling we might just have a few more Dr. No's in the congress next year.. and if we don't get the GOP nod I wonder what a Senator Ron Paul or even a Secretary of Treasurer Ron Paul might look like.
 
there being a chance of a brokered convention is fading into the night today, especially that it looks like Mccain will win Missouri and California.
 
Well If it was all that simple how come no one thought of RP Supporters running for McCain and Romney Delegates???
 
Exactly right

This is what I've been saying for months, what the campaign has been saying for months, what James Ostrowski has been saying for months and what some of Dr. Paul's supporters just don't get.

Why do you think so much emphasis has been put on the post primary precinct elections?

Why are Ron Paul supporters going to the polls after the election is over in every state to insure that, committed or not, it is the Ron Paul supporters who are the delegates sent to the national and state conventions?

Not a single delegate has yet been cast for any of the GOP nominees. Super Tuesday would have been a disaster had one front runner emerged. But that hasn't happened. It is working out perfectly. And I mean perfectly.

There was never a chance that Dr. Paul would sweep the primaries and that was never the plan.

There is more good news.

We've come through the gauntlet today. Now there are more states to come and as supporters we can concentrate our efforts until that is done. I'd love to see us take Texas, and I assure you, being from Texas, that our meetup here in Austin has been working the precincts and training everyone on how to get elected after the polls close.

That's when the real election takes place. Everyone views these elections as over once the polls close. That just isn't the case. The real election occurs after the polls close.

By the way, if you've been really paying attention, you would know by watching the campaign training materials that the brokered convention is what has been hoped for. With an incredibly weak field and no clear spokesman for the true republican platform, even the non-active voting public, and by that I mean those who show up, cast a vote and go home, are unsure of who to back.

There are three "front runners" rather than one. This is the greatest development we could hope for. Guess which candidate's supporters were at the delegate elections after the precincts closed and were prepared?

Guess who, whether or not Ron Paul is able to secure the nomination at a brokered convention, is going to control the republican party, having snatched up all of those local positions which have been abandoned and un-manned?

Guess who's supporters will have a great deal of influence on the GOP's local and state parties?

Guess who will make up the delegates that arrive at the national convention? That's right, those same people who showed up at the precinct elections.

If you are a naysayer, then you aren't paying attention. Nobody said this would be easy. The media was never going to play along and you should be glad they didn't. Because they weren't paying attention and don't cover the guts of the real party politics in this country, they didn't see it coming.

They are under the delusion that they can annoint a candidate and he wins. Remember, Fox annointed Guiliani. Come on people! This process is hard work and because people prior to these elections were willing to do this work, they controlled the party and you got crap for a selection in the general.

Even if Dr. Paul doesn't make it all the way to the general election we're winning because we will be in control of the party except *maybe* at the highest levels.

Big deal. This was never about sitting on the couch and watching the media do our work for us. Those days are over.

I wrote this just last week addressing the very issue of a long-term plan though I didn't mention too much the details of this delegate election process:

http://lewrockwell.com/fisk/fisk36.html (The Ron Paul Nightmare).

If you're in a state that has a primary coming up. Sign up now, don't delay, to become a precinct leader. We're taking this party back from the ground up and we may just secure Ron Paul the nomination.

Rick Fisk
 
Bradley in DC said:
This is a lie. This person does NOT know how it works.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=104384

Reposting and bumping does not change reality. Grow up already, please.
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Bradley any thoughts on this question?

For us to have a chance the below clause from GOP Rule 40 needs clarification. The basic question is can bound delegates "demonstrate support" of a candidate that they aren't bound to?

(b) Each candidate for nomination for President of the United States and Vice President of the United States shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more states, severally, prior to the presentation of the name of that candidate for nomination.
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christagious said:
Grow up?? What's that supposed to mean? I read an article and thought it was true. Sorry that I don't live on these forums to be able to find the thread you put up here. What the fuck is "grow up" supposed to mean? I"m immature because I don't want to lose hope? There are some serious dicks on this forum, no wonder Obama is getting so much support, his people are nice.
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For starters, there is a whole subforum devoted to the National Convention with many threads answering your questions. Repeatedly repost and bumping the same wrong information is juvenile, yes.

We want to win, that's why we're taking this contest seriously.

Learn the rules, play the game, win.
 
demidog said:
This is what I've been saying for months, what the campaign has been saying for months, what James Ostrowski has been saying for months and what some of Dr. Paul's supporters just don't get.

Why do you think so much emphasis has been put on the post primary precinct elections?

Why are Ron Paul supporters going to the polls after the election is over in every state to insure that, committed or not, it is the Ron Paul supporters who are the delegates sent to the national and state conventions?

Not a single delegate has yet been cast for any of the GOP nominees. Super Tuesday would have been a disaster had one front runner emerged. But that hasn't happened. It is working out perfectly. And I mean perfectly.

There was never a chance that Dr. Paul would sweep the primaries and that was never the plan.

There is more good news.

We've come through the gauntlet today. Now there are more states to come and as supporters we can concentrate our efforts until that is done. I'd love to see us take Texas, and I assure you, being from Texas, that our meetup here in Austin has been working the precincts and training everyone on how to get elected after the polls close.

That's when the real election takes place. Everyone views these elections as over once the polls close. That just isn't the case. The real election occurs after the polls close.

By the way, if you've been really paying attention, you would know by watching the campaign training materials that the brokered convention is what has been hoped for. With an incredibly weak field and no clear spokesman for the true republican platform, even the non-active voting public, and by that I mean those who show up, cast a vote and go home, are unsure of who to back.

There are three "front runners" rather than one. This is the greatest development we could hope for. Guess which candidate's supporters were at the delegate elections after the precincts closed and were prepared?

Guess who, whether or not Ron Paul is able to secure the nomination at a brokered convention, is going to control the republican party, having snatched up all of those local positions which have been abandoned and un-manned?

Guess who's supporters will have a great deal of influence on the GOP's local and state parties?

Guess who will make up the delegates that arrive at the national convention? That's right, those same people who showed up at the precinct elections.

If you are a naysayer, then you aren't paying attention. Nobody said this would be easy. The media was never going to play along and you should be glad they didn't. Because they weren't paying attention and don't cover the guts of the real party politics in this country, they didn't see it coming.

They are under the delusion that they can annoint a candidate and he wins. Remember, Fox annointed Guiliani. Come on people! This process is hard work and because people prior to these elections were willing to do this work, they controlled the party and you got crap for a selection in the general.

Even if Dr. Paul doesn't make it all the way to the general election we're winning because we will be in control of the party except *maybe* at the highest levels.

Big deal. This was never about sitting on the couch and watching the media do our work for us. Those days are over.

I wrote this just last week addressing the very issue of a long-term plan though I didn't mention too much the details of this delegate election process:

http://lewrockwell.com/fisk/fisk36.html (The Ron Paul Nightmare).

If you're in a state that has a primary coming up. Sign up now, don't delay, to become a precinct leader. We're taking this party back from the ground up and we may just secure Ron Paul the nomination.

Rick Fisk
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Thanks for the post Rick. I agree with your analysis for the most part.
 
Liberté said:
Statistically there is almost no chance of a brokered convention, and even though we have been winning delegates in caucus's we are still number 4 delegate wise.
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Actually, Huckabee doing so well tonight (including with our support in WV), makes a a brokered convention more likely.
 
To say that Ron Paul is just going to sneak in under the radar, after all the primaries/caucus' and get the GOP nomination is obsurd. The GOP can't stand Ron Paul. They will break the rules if they have to to keep Ron Paul from getting the nom.

I think there is too much wishfull thinking going on here..

I support Ron Paul now, and would support him as an independent. But as it stands, before California has finished their tallies, has only 9 delegates.
I not only blame the MSM. But his campaign staff as well.

Too much talk about the gold standard. People don't understand it.
 
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