Don't let the "realists" bring you down.

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That is very impressive and I'm proud of the Ron Paul supporters in THAT ONE COUNTY. Tell me.... how many counties are there in the United States? Please post a link to all of the counties we've already lost.

That one county serve to prove the 'realist', 'skeptics', 'pessimist' wrong. And why not ask what are the winning counties? They are the county of Hope, the county of Optimism, the county of Faith. i bet your county, with 'realist' like you, are on the loser list of counties, which happen to be the majority.

Sometimes the battle is within yourself. You have lost the battle mentally when you choose to construct your reality with bricks of pessimism.

 

[Banana]

Sometime I wonder if it's simply a matter of semantics; there are no genuine disagreements (e.g. nobody disagrees that we shouldn't pick up every delegates we can), but the disagreement over how we want to phrase our message...

If so, then I'd say let sleeping dogs lie.

 

[Revolution9]

For those that do no speak pirate, here is an interpretation:

People believe what they believe. Others do not believe and do not want the believers to believe. I am a believer and don't like that others do not want me to believe. I will quit believing only when I believe believing is impossible. Not believing what I believe is nonsense because only what I believe I’m believing is sense. If you were a believer, you would believe this.

Mccain may go crazy soon. Non-believers! Fuck!

Got it?

May have to get you to interpret more of my analogies for the breadthless of intellectual faculty. I believe..therefore I am.. How much simpler can it get.. Right fucking now..like there is any other time to consider. I leave footprints and cast projections to alter realty.

BTW..McCain == effed. Believe it.

Best Regards
Randy

 

[jacobin]

First of all, I'll admit that the chances of getting the nomination at the convention aren't too high. But, with what's been seen, it's certainly possible.

Find out what the State Convention rules are on switching bound delegates to non-bound. If there is a process for that, I'd believe that's the best chance.

Otherwise, delusions of grandeur doesn't help at all. Find the battles we can win and focus on those. I'm happy with Ron Paul's campaign -- he started the REVOLUTION and brought us all together. However, if Murray Sabrin loses the U.S. Senate seat I'll be severely disappointed as HE CAN WIN.

 

[Zera]

Find out what the State Convention rules are on switching bound delegates to non-bound. If there is a process for that, I'd believe that's the best chance.

Yeah, thats basically what we're doing.

 

[syborius]

Sigh... I make a topic telling people to not be let down by them, and two just come here and continue to troll.

Go away.

Don't worry, these are professionals, and they already have a very clear history of what their agenda is, if you are suspicious of a troll, or something just doesn't seem right, go read 10-15 posts by them, it's usually very revealing of what side of the fence they actually sit on. They come into any thread that brings hope and try to dismantle it with negativity and venom, so EFFFFFFF them.

 

[flames2dust77]

Let's be real here. There's no way a "realist" will ever get anywhere in life. (new, more real, complete and updated)

A "realist" will never take chances.
Like he will invest in safe looking things, like anything the federal reserve doles out to you that it can use to take away your labor. 2% interest, thats safe, let's be real.

A "realist" will quit before he ever gets started.
Like he will start to make the effort, but when he thinks that the mission is a failure (and he always thinks it's going to be unless it's a proven time tested worn out old boring thing) he will re-evaluate the situation and change his strategy or "refocus effort" to have the best possible SAFE wimpy effect.

A "realist" can't be creative (see take chances above).
It's not safe to be creative, enter rut, stay there, go along with the crowd.

A "realist" will just go along with whatever is handed to him.
Because the realist doesn't have creativity or any optimism means he's a "follower" and does whatever seems safe.

A "realist" won't ask questions (see go along above).
It's just not safe to question authority.

A "realist" can't see the forest for the trees (see gives up too easy).
Some other angles, can't see the big picture, doesn't understand that things can happen that aren't predicted by the limited realist view of things.

A "realist" leaves the ballpark before the game is finished.
Actually, I don't understand why a realist even goes to a game, he already knows how it will turn out, and it's never good because he's a defeatist too. Quit now, why bother?

A "realist" gives up way too easy (see the forest).

A "realist" is always on the side of the winning team, even if he has to switch over or "refocus effort" to make it seem like he's actually winning something or getting somewhere, even though he actually just gave up too soon.

A "realist" goes home and cries to mommy all the time, even after age 30.
For all the reasons above.

A "realist" is a happy government servant.
Because it's safe and cuddly.

A "realist" thinks everything the government and MSM says is the truth.
(see safe and cuddly above)

A "realist" knows there is no such thing as a conspiracy unless the government says so.
No comment, you might get taken away, that's not safe.

these are so far off the mark.

 

[Anyeong]

I've read for the past few days and noticed almost the same group of people trying to stick their heads up and say they're just being realistic, shame on them. Ron Paul's achievements so far have been unrealistic, as to say that most people wouldn't of believed that he'd get this much support and donation from the start, even Paul himself was in disbelief at one point. As Ron Paul's chances of getting nomination are slim, of course we'll have doubters and supporters becoming pessimistic, that's why it's even more important that we have unrealistic optimism to keep going and make sure that slim chance doesn't get even MORE SLIM THAN IT IS.

Overall, I agree that these "reality theorist" are hurting this campaign, new comers, and current supporters one way or another. I mean come on, we already have enough of the negativity coming from the outside, why continue fueling it from within? These people are just draining other people to feel as low and unhappy as them, I won't be, I'll keep my head up and continue supporting this movement and Ron Paul alike till' the end.

 

[TruthAtLast]

Don't worry, these are professionals, and they already have a very clear history of what their agenda is, if you are suspicious of a troll, or something just doesn't seem right, go read 10-15 posts by them, it's usually very revealing of what side of the fence they actually sit on. They come into any thread that brings hope and try to dismantle it with negativity and venom, so EFFFFFFF them.

I have never tried to hide what my "agenda" is; to push this Movement forward and give thousands of dollars in donations to the presidential campaign, congressional campaign, nearly a dozen liberty candidates, billboards, radio stations, TV ads, blimps, nascars, multiple books, various PACs, and virtually any other idea that people have that require some sort of financial backing. You're right... I'm a PROFESSIONAL supporter of this Movement and my agenda is CLEAR.

Some people haven't read a single word of what I've been saying.

Maybe bullet points will help

• DO NOT give up the delegate process. There is much more to gain than just a nomination.
• DO be realistic about our chances just to the point where we are at least ALSO supporting other Liberty candidates in parallel.
• Though we have seen victories and it does prove that at least we might be able to make some platform changes and show the strength of the message, DO NOT jump to conclusions into thinking that McCain can not win. (not pointing fingers but some people have been saying this)

If you agree with those things, then we agree with each other. I'm not sure what the problem is here.

People keep throwing out the word troll without knowing the meaning.

Troll - someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, usually with the intention of baiting someone into an emotional response.​

The fact that we are talking about politics means that most things are going to be controversial. But none of these things are off-topic.

If the intention is to bait an emotion response, I have to wonder if some of these Optimists are really trolls due to the emotional response they have incited from the Realists. When someone titles a thread "Don't let the Realists bring you down".... THEY ARE BAITING AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE, and BY DEFINITION.... they are a troll.

I thought we were reaching some sort of common ground (at least with Banana) then you come in and post something that is (again, by definition) a troll message that is completely irrational and has the sole intent of baiting an emotional response (like this one).

I can only conclude that your responses are either born out of ignorance or malicious intent. It is hard to believe that a Ron Paul supporter could be that ignorant so you MUST therefore be trying to incite hatred and division within the Movement. Sounds like a troll to me.

 

[Magicman]

Btw, I do think it's pretty obnoxious for people to continue to insert their negative views so they could funnel others to think their way. If people are trying to continue to influence and win over their caucuses let them do it. It's none of your concern.

What is your point and what is gained by doing trying to stake out others for trying? So what, you think you're right; even if you are then just feel that way and act on it but don't try to tell others what to think.

Your authoritative views sound like an annoying Giuliani. It's rather pointless drivel because you're not doing any good and if others want to try then let them do it. Noone cares about your ego telling others that their disillusioned because they are attmepting to do so.

Regardless of the outcome, noone knows for certain, and even so it's better to try then do nothing what else is there to lose? So, go start your own negative thread but let people follow the course of their choosing. It's not up to YOU to decide how others should think or involve themselves with the campaign.

 

[syborius]

I have never tried to hide what my "agenda" is; to push this Movement forward and give thousands of dollars in donations to the presidential campaign, congressional campaign, nearly a dozen liberty candidates, billboards, radio stations, TV ads, blimps, nascars, multiple books, various PACs, and virtually any other idea that people have that require some sort of financial backing. You're right... I'm a PROFESSIONAL supporter of this Movement and my agenda is CLEAR.

Some people haven't read a single word of what I've been saying.

Maybe bullet points will help

• DO NOT give up the delegate process. There is much more to gain than just a nomination.
• DO be realistic about our chances just to the point where we are at least ALSO supporting other Liberty candidates in parallel.
• Though we have seen victories and it does prove that at least we might be able to make some platform changes and show the strength of the message, DO NOT jump to conclusions into thinking that McCain can not win. (not pointing fingers but some people have been saying this)

If you agree with those things, then we agree with each other. I'm not sure what the problem is here.

People keep throwing out the word troll without knowing the meaning.

Troll - someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, usually with the intention of baiting someone into an emotional response.​

The fact that we are talking about politics means that most things are going to be controversial. But none of these things are off-topic.

If the intention is to bait an emotion response, I have to wonder if some of these Optimists are really trolls due to the emotional response they have incited from the Realists. When someone titles a thread "Don't let the Realists bring you down".... THEY ARE BAITING AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE, and BY DEFINITION.... they are a troll.

I thought we were reaching some sort of common ground (at least with Banana) then you come in and post something that is (again, by definition) a troll message that is completely irrational and has the sole intent of baiting an emotional response (like this one).

I can only conclude that your responses are either born out of ignorance or malicious intent. It is hard to believe that a Ron Paul supporter could be that ignorant so you MUST therefore be trying to incite hatred and division within the Movement. Sounds like a troll to me.

All I can say is that you are just a HUGE PIECE OF SHIT!!! You walk into a thread, create a big fucking stink with your realism (negativity, venom, division), and then claim absolute ignorance over what you are doing. Do you really think people are that stupid. What the hell is your fucking point you piece of shit? What exact purpose does it have to deflate any hope some of these people might have regarding county convention wins???

Answer me what fucking purpose do you serve you asshole?? If people want to claim as many victories as they want let them. Next time I see your negativity and horse-shit I will call you out on it again. Your above post is so transparent it's really starting to become good satire. Each time I call you out on your horseshit you write a masters thesis on how your realism is perfectly fine. Fuck you!

 

[phuqig_hotband]

"Btw, I do think it's pretty obnoxious for people to continue to insert their negative views so they could funnel others to think their way. If people are trying to continue to influence and win over their caucuses let them do it. It's none of your concern."

Its known as debate. Look it up.

"What is your point and what is gained by doing trying to stake out others for trying? So what, you think you're right; even if you are then just feel that way and act on it but don't try to tell others what to think."

When people are attacked for their positions, are they not allowed to defend themselves? If the OP didn’t want to stir up debate, this thread should not have been posted. It is humorous you accuse the realists of "thinking that they are right." That accusation is kind of silly. The only reason debate exists is because people have opposing viewpoints (think they are right.)

"Your authoritative views sound like an annoying Giuliani. It's rather pointless drivel because you're not doing any good and if others want to try then let them do it. Noone cares about your ego telling others that their disillusioned because they are attmepting to do so."

You are making a lot of assumptions. At this point you are just attacking the little caricature of your opponent that you have created in your head. You don’t know the motivations of everyone here and you are not very good at guessing.

"Regardless of the outcome, noone knows for certain, and even so it's better to try then do nothing what else is there to lose? So, go start your own negative thread but let people follow the course of their choosing. It's not up to YOU to decide how others should think or involve themselves with the campaign."

Nobody is saying, "Give up." That is completely baseless. So far all of the realists here have said to continue to get as many delegates as possible. What is the point of creating this thread if debate wasn’t hoped for. Isn’t that the point of a forum? Was the OP just hoping to preach to the choir and gain comfort in knowing that other people think like him/her?

This is politics. Quit being so damn sensitive. How do you expect to handle the supporters of other candidates if you can’t even handle somebody that mostly agrees with you? This isn’t a nice little world we live in where everybody is nice to each other and our benevolent Shepard vanquishes evil to the depths of hell on an annual basis. Grow some thicker skin man/woman and learn to convince people of what you think instead of telling them to go away while hiding in your protective shell.

 

[phuqig_hotband]

All I can say is that you are just a HUGE PIECE OF SHIT!!! You walk into a thread, create a big fucking stink with your realism (negativity, venom, division), and then claim absolute ignorance over what you are doing. Do you really think people are that stupid. What the hell is your fucking point you piece of shit? What exact purpose does it have to deflate any hope some of these people post regarding county convention wins??? Answer me what fucking purpose do you server you asshole?? If people want to claim as many victories as they want let them. Next time I see your negativity and horse-shit I will call you out on it again. Your above post is so transparent it's really starting to become good satire. Each time I call you out on your horseshit you write a masters thesis on how your realism is perfectly fine. Fuck you!

That is uncalled for. He whose ideas have failed him casts the first stone.

 

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The "I-know-better-than-you-what's-best-for-the-movement" attitude as expressed in the obnoxious "what you are doing are unrealistic, counter productive and you should be doing this and that" outcries sort of mirrors the way our government takes our money with the assumption "we-know-how-to-better-spend-your-money-for-the-common-good".

 

[phuqig_hotband]

The "I-know-better-than-you-what's-best-for-the-movement" attitude as expressed in the obnoxious "what you are doing are unrealistic, counter productive and you should be doing this and that" outcries sort of mirrors the way our government takes our money with the assumption "we-know-how-to-better-spend-your-money-for-the-common-good".

You are throwing stones from a glass house buddy. Again, the only reason debate/politics exist is because of opposing viewpoints. Both "realists" and "Idealists" think they know what is best for the movement. To compare either side to collectivist centralized government is just silly.

 

[TruthAtLast]

All I can say is that you are just a HUGE PIECE OF SHIT!!! You walk into a thread, create a big fucking stink with your realism (negativity, venom, division), and then claim absolute ignorance over what you are doing. Do you really think people are that stupid. What the hell is your fucking point you piece of shit? What exact purpose does it have to deflate any hope some of these people might have regarding county convention wins???

Answer me what fucking purpose do you serve you asshole?? If people want to claim as many victories as they want let them. Next time I see your negativity and horse-shit I will call you out on it again. Your above post is so transparent it's really starting to become good satire. Each time I call you out on your horseshit you write a masters thesis on how your realism is perfectly fine. Fuck you!

i'm hoping that some day you'll have a real argument and actually make sense. Yet again... you refuse to read and comprehend anything.

You can't have a rational argument with irrational people. I'm clearly speaking to someone so clouded with anger and ignorance that he is incapable of forming any kind of logical rebuttal.

I'm neither being negative or unsupportive. How hard is it to understand that we should be doing TWO things. Getting delegates AND supporting Liberty Candidates. Are you seriously so obtuse as not to understand that fundamental concept?

IN FACT, because Ron Paul is also a realist and has the same views as what I'm saying, I suppose your little childish rant was directed at him..... good to know where you stand.

 

[syborius]

notice that the realists are always registered feb, and march, the most ardent realists that fight tooth and nail to deflate peoples hope......

 

[TruthAtLast]

notice that the realists are always registered feb, and march, the most ardent realists that fight tooth and nail to deflate peoples hope......

notice how all of the people like you are always using that as your only argument because there is nothing else you can say.

 

[flames2dust77]

some of you are equating a pessimist to a realist.

 

[syborius]

i'm hoping that some day you'll have a real argument and actually make sense. Yet again... you refuse to read and comprehend anything.

You can't have a rational argument with irrational people. I'm clearly speaking to someone so clouded with anger and ignorance that he is incapable of forming any kind of logical rebuttal.

I'm neither being negative or unsupportive. How hard is it to understand that we should be doing TWO things. Getting delegates AND supporting Liberty Candidates. Are you seriously so obtuse as not to understand that fundamental concept?

IN FACT, because Ron Paul is also a realist and has the same views as what I'm saying, I suppose your little childish rant was directed at him..... good to know where you stand.

Notice you didn't answer me. What purpose do you serve on this thread? Why did you interject yourself into this discussion? WHY? I ask you again. If someone wants to post 10000 threads about convention county wins, why is it so important for you to walk into a thread and say there is no chance, that the movement should focus elsewhere, that it's not about the nomination when clearly you have thousands of people still fighting hard for Ron Paul. Tell me, What purpose did your point of view on realism serve this thread, this movement, and the good people that are trying to stay positive?