Don't let the "realists" bring you down.

[amy31416]

For those that do no speak pirate, here is an interpretation:

People believe what they believe. Others do not believe and do not want the believers to believe. I am a believer and don't like that others do not want me to believe. I will quit believing only when I believe believing is impossible. Not believing what I believe is nonsense because only what I believe I’m believing is sense. If you were a believer, you would believe this.

Mccain may go crazy soon. Non-believers! Fuck!

Got it?

Hilarious! Welcome to the forums.

 

[devil21]

How quickly people forget the fable they were read as a young child. Google "The Tortoise and the Hare". McCain is the hare. Guess which one Paul is?

 

[Conza88]

How quickly people forget the fable they were read as a young child. Google "The Tortoise and the Hare". McCain is the hare. Guess which one Paul is?

He's the guy riding on his bike with the constitution in one hand, and a neo-con whipping stick in the other?

 

[Edu]

Let's be real here. There's no way a "realist" will ever get anywhere in life.

A "realist" will never take chances.

A "realist" will quit before he ever gets started.

A "realist" can't be creative (see take chances above).

A "realist" will just go along with whatever is handed to him.

A "realist" won't ask questions (see go along above).

A "realist" can't see the forest for the trees (see gives up too easy).

A "realist" leaves the ballpark before the game is finished.

A "realist" gives up way too easy (see the forest).

A "realist" is always on the side of the winning team, even if he has to switch over.

A "realist" goes home and cries to mommy all the time, even after age 30.

A "realist" is a happy government servant.

A "realist" thinks everything the government and MSM says is the truth.

A "realist" knows there is no such thing as a conspiracy unless the government says so.

 

[phuqig_hotband]

Let's be real here. There's no way a "realist" will ever get anywhere in life.

A "realist" will never take chances.

A "realist" will quit before he ever gets started.

A "realist" can't be creative (see take chances above).

A "realist" will just go along with whatever is handed to him.

A "realist" won't ask questions (see go along above).

A "realist" can't see the forest for the trees (see gives up too easy).

A "realist" leaves the ballpark before the game is finished.

A "realist" gives up way too easy (see the forest).

A "realist" is always on the side of the winning team, even if he has to switch over.

A "realist" goes home and cries to mommy all the time, even after age 30.

A "realist" is a happy government servant.

A "realist" thinks everything the government and MSM says is the truth.

A "realist" knows there is no such thing as a conspiracy unless the government says so.

If all of those are the case, I cannot see how a realist could ever possibly be a Ron Paul supporter.

Someone that is a "happy government servant, MSM believer, absoloute conspiracy denier, and bandwagon hopper” would never support a constitution loving promoter of individual liberty.

If you are going to call people realists and then proceed to describe a realist so, you might as well call them out and say they are not truly Ron Paul supporters. Right?

I think Ron Paul would be happy with anyone that honestly supports and contributes to the cause of liberty, even if they were lazy mamas boys.

 

[libertarian4321]

Once one understands what is being said, milk promptly makes way out of nose.

In my case it was beer- those bubbles tickle...

 

[libertarian4321]

Let's be real here. There's no way a "realist" will ever get anywhere in life.

A "realist" will never take chances.

Incorrect. A realist will take calculated risks (for example, he will invest), but he won't make "wild leaps of faith" (he won't be playing the lottery)

A "realist" will quit before he ever gets started.

Incorrect. The realist will make the effort, but when he sees that the mission is a failure, he will re-evaluate the situation and change his strategy to have the best possible effect, rather than blindly charging ahead with the original plan and refusing to change regardless of the outcome (this was the Bush strategy in Iraq- yup, he's an "optimist").

A "realist" can't be creative (see take chances above).

Incorrect. See above.

A "realist" will just go along with whatever is handed to him.

Incorrect. Just because the realist doesn't have blind, "pie in the sky" optimism doesn't mean he's a "follower."

A "realist" won't ask questions (see go along above).

Actually, its seems that its the "pie in the sky" types who get upset when someone dare stray from their orthodoxy. I haven't seen a "realist" tell anyone to "leave", but the "optimists" are trying to quell any dissension (again, see George W. Bush)

A "realist" can't see the forest for the trees (see gives up too easy).

Yeah, you'll hit that lottery number, lol- don't give up, keep buying more tickets!

A "realist" leaves the ballpark before the game is finished.

Yeah, he's home making love to his girlfriend, you're stuck in traffic for 3 hours trying to get out of the parking lot because you had to stay to make sure your team wasn't going to come back from a 30 point deficit with 2 minutes left in the game. Good call, dude...

A "realist" gives up way too easy (see the forest).

Repetitive.

A "realist" is always on the side of the winning team, even if he has to switch over.

That doesn't make sense. No one has said "vote for Obama.", the realists are just trying to refocus efforts.

A "realist" goes home and cries to mommy all the time, even after age 30.

That doesn't even make sense.

A "realist" is a happy government servant.

Again, you're not making any sense. No one here is " a happy government servant".

A "realist" thinks everything the government and MSM says is the truth.

You have completely lost touch with reality- you aren't a realist or an optimist, you are just irrational, lol.

 

[phuqig_hotband]

In my case it was beer- those bubbles tickle...

Ouch. At least milk is alkaline.

 

[Edu]

Let's be real here. There's no way a "realist" will ever get anywhere in life. (new, more real, complete and updated)

A "realist" will never take chances.
Like he will invest in safe looking things, like anything the federal reserve doles out to you that it can use to take away your labor. 2% interest, thats safe, let's be real.

A "realist" will quit before he ever gets started.
Like he will start to make the effort, but when he thinks that the mission is a failure (and he always thinks it's going to be unless it's a proven time tested worn out old boring thing) he will re-evaluate the situation and change his strategy or "refocus effort" to have the best possible SAFE wimpy effect.

A "realist" can't be creative (see take chances above).
It's not safe to be creative, enter rut, stay there, go along with the crowd.

A "realist" will just go along with whatever is handed to him.
Because the realist doesn't have creativity or any optimism means he's a "follower" and does whatever seems safe.

A "realist" won't ask questions (see go along above).
It's just not safe to question authority.

A "realist" can't see the forest for the trees (see gives up too easy).
Some other angles, can't see the big picture, doesn't understand that things can happen that aren't predicted by the limited realist view of things.

A "realist" leaves the ballpark before the game is finished.
Actually, I don't understand why a realist even goes to a game, he already knows how it will turn out, and it's never good because he's a defeatist too. Quit now, why bother?

A "realist" gives up way too easy (see the forest).

A "realist" is always on the side of the winning team, even if he has to switch over or "refocus effort" to make it seem like he's actually winning something or getting somewhere, even though he actually just gave up too soon.

A "realist" goes home and cries to mommy all the time, even after age 30.
For all the reasons above.

A "realist" is a happy government servant.
Because it's safe and cuddly.

A "realist" thinks everything the government and MSM says is the truth.
(see safe and cuddly above)

A "realist" knows there is no such thing as a conspiracy unless the government says so.
No comment, you might get taken away, that's not safe.

 

[libertarian4321]

Let's be real here. There's no way a "realist" will ever get anywhere in life. (new, more real, complete and updated)

A "realist" will never take chances.
Like he will invest in safe looking things, like anything the federal reserve doles out to you that it can use to take away your labor. 2% interest, thats safe, let's be real.

A "realist" will quit before he ever gets started.
Like he will start to make the effort, but when he thinks that the mission is a failure (and he always thinks it's going to be unless it's a proven time tested worn out old boring thing) he will re-evaluate the situation and change his strategy or "refocus effort" to have the best possible SAFE wimpy effect.

A "realist" can't be creative (see take chances above).
It's not safe to be creative, enter rut, stay there, go along with the crowd.

A "realist" will just go along with whatever is handed to him.
Because the realist doesn't have creativity or any optimism means he's a "follower" and does whatever seems safe.

A "realist" won't ask questions (see go along above).
It's just not safe to question authority.

A "realist" can't see the forest for the trees (see gives up too easy).
Some other angles, can't see the big picture, doesn't understand that things can happen that aren't predicted by the limited realist view of things.

A "realist" leaves the ballpark before the game is finished.
Actually, I don't understand why a realist even goes to a game, he already knows how it will turn out, and it's never good because he's a defeatist too. Quit now, why bother?

A "realist" gives up way too easy (see the forest).

A "realist" is always on the side of the winning team, even if he has to switch over or "refocus effort" to make it seem like he's actually winning something or getting somewhere, even though he actually just gave up too soon.

A "realist" goes home and cries to mommy all the time, even after age 30.
For all the reasons above.

A "realist" is a happy government servant.
Because it's safe and cuddly.

A "realist" thinks everything the government and MSM says is the truth.
(see safe and cuddly above)

A "realist" knows there is no such thing as a conspiracy unless the government says so.
No comment, you might get taken away, that's not safe.

You'll never succeed if you "do nothing", but you'll never succeed if you continue to blindly stumble forward, following a losing strategy, and refusing to acknowledge reality. To win, you need to take risks, but well reasoned risks. A winner realizes that life isn't a fairy tale- that in real life, we don't always get what we want just because we want it.

The winner adjusts his strategy when he sees that his original plan is fruitless. The blind optimist continues to stumble forward with the original plan, then looks for someone to blame when he fails.

The funny thing about unrealistic blind optimists- they'll be the first to look for someone to blame when reality finally hits them on election day and Obama (or McCain or Hillary) gets elected.

They'll blame Ron Paul, they'll blame the campaign staff, they'll blame the realists- hell, they'll blame anyone but themselves. The realists will say "well, we've known for months that Ron wasn't going to get elected- and while you were piddling around tilting at windmills, look at what we've done to help the cause of liberty!"

Just watch...

 

[amy31416]

They'll blame Ron Paul, they'll blame the campaign staff, they'll blame the realists- hell, they'll blame anyone but themselves. The realists will say "well, we've known for months that Ron wasn't going to get elected- and while you were piddling around tilting at windmills, look at what we've done to help the cause of liberty!"

Just watch...

That's the only reason that I have any problem with blind optimism, there is so much actual work that needs to be done and we need everybody if we're going to be successful at changing the government from the ground up.

I'm not saying to give up hope, if that hope drives you, but please support some of the other "realist" issues--like getting Sabrin, Forsythe et al elected.

In my opinion, Paul himself realizes that he won't get the nod, which is why he worked so hard to get his seat back. He is still in it because if the message gets out to more people, then there will be more people to help get these others elected. I'd be willing to bet that Ron Paul is quite the realist.

 

[libertarian4321]

That's the only reason that I have any problem with blind optimism, there is so much actual work that needs to be done and we need everybody if we're going to be successful at changing the government from the ground up.

I'm not saying to give up hope, if that hope drives you, but please support some of the other "realist" issues--like getting Sabrin, Forsythe et al elected.

In my opinion, Paul himself realizes that he won't get the nod, which is why he worked so hard to get his seat back. He is still in it because if the message gets out to more people, then there will be more people to help get these others elected. I'd be willing to bet that Ron Paul is quite the realist.

Ron Paul a realist?

BAN HIM FROM THE FORUMS!

 

[uncollapse]

And as I mentioned, don't let the realists bring you down. Their intentions may not be to really do so, but hearing negative things in times like this where we can have success is never good. Continue to do what you can to become delegates, and good things CAN happen.

I think you had formulated your opening post inaccurately.

The perception of the reality of winning the GOP nomination for RP is subjective. And since this event is still slowly unfolding, one can only conjecture the likelihood of each outcome based on assesment of the current. From what i have seen, both camps have a 'sane', 'realist' and similar understanding of the current situation, they only differs in the predictive projection of future. One camp is more conservative, the other is less conservative. So a more appropriate terminological label for the two camps should be optimist vs pessimist, believer vs skeptic.

Pessimists and skeptics. Shut up.

 

[Conza88]

Edu, lol.

The "realists" here, get a kick out of thinking that they are right. Or they're the only ones that perceive the actually 'reality' of the situation.

They're faux though.

I'm the biggest realist here. Because I; LISTEN TO THE FUCKEN DELEGATES.

And I know the MSM is BULLSHIT. - They're still saying 14 delegates assholes. What is "REAL" about that?

For all the faux-realists out there, and thats pretty much every single one of you who THINKS they have some kind of better grasp on reality - rofl... here is some REALITY for you, LOSERS (by definition)

LANDSLIDE VICTORY FOR RON PAUL IN MISSOURI
http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/blog/node/92

Today in Saint Charles County Missouri, the largest Republican County caucus in the state 111 of a possible 137 Delegates were elected for Ron Paul. The St. Charles Caucus was a landslide turnout for Ron Paul. The Republican Platform was amended to oppose the Patriot Act, The Iraq war, the Federal Reserve, Fiat Currency, the Global American Empire, the income Tax, Estate Tax, McCain Fiengold, the National ID Card, The Real ID Act of 2005 and much much more.

How's about them apples?

 

[uncollapse]

I'm the biggest realist here. Because I; LISTEN TO THE FUCKEN DELEGATES.

And I know the MSM is BULLSHIT. - They're still saying 14 delegates assholes. What is "REAL" about that?

Slam dunk! Two version of reality. I choose the delegate's version.

Down with the fake 'realist' who based their perception on fake reality.

 

[icon124]

First of all, I'll admit that the chances of getting the nomination at the convention aren't too high. But, with what's been seen, it's certainly possible.

The "realists" often make claims that Paul will not get the nomination at all. I understand that they want to be realistic and all, but saying things like "will not", which mean a definite no, are not encouraging and very negative. They obviously don't understand the circumstances of the delegate and the process at all. Or if they do, they aren't seeing the progress we're making, at all.

You've seen several success stories on this board. And they always report there were other Paul supporters there... So obviously, just the people who come here aren't the only ones who are doing this. There may be many Paul delegates all over the nation that just aren't coming to this board to tell us how it's going. I've heard that there are many meetings in major cities for the delegates where they meet up and plan things. This can all lead to Paul delegates at the state convention, which would then pass a resolution to release McCain's delegates. Once that is done, the national delegates could be chosen, and if there is a majority of Paul delegates there, guess which delegates will be chosen to be national ones?

And it IS happening. Over the past few days, some people here have posted links to GOP leaders trying to tell local GOP leaders to be wary and careful of Paul supporters, and some are trying to make it seem we're misinforming people (I believe it was Minnesota where the GOP people were saying so, though they aren't aware of the resolutions that could be passed at the state convention). It's all very apparent they are scared of us, and that a revolution delegate-wise is happening. They wouldn't even mention it, otherwise.

Just remember, stay away from the MSM. They aren't going to report about the convention and what could happen. They're only going to announce the nominee they think will be chosen based on delegate numbers that they make up often.

And as I mentioned, don't let the realists bring you down. Their intentions may not be to really do so, but hearing negative things in times like this where we can have success is never good. Continue to do what you can to become delegates, and good things CAN happen.

yes let's not be real about the situation!!!! let's still focus on him getting the nomination and not moving foward past that because if you do your a realist and that's bad!

Sarcasm

 

[TruthAtLast]

You have completely lost touch with reality- you aren't a realist or an optimist, you are just irrational, lol.

QFT

 

[TruthAtLast]

I'm not saying to give up hope, if that hope drives you, but please support some of the other "realist" issues--like getting Sabrin, Forsythe et al elected.

In my opinion, Paul himself realizes that he won't get the nod, which is why he worked so hard to get his seat back. He is still in it because if the message gets out to more people, then there will be more people to help get these others elected. I'd be willing to bet that Ron Paul is quite the realist.

I'm not alone? There are actual people out there that have a rational thought in their head? OMG a tear just came to my eye.

There is a balance here. Realists CAN be overly cautious too.

RON PAUL is so much of a realist, in fact, that it may have affected his campaign. Based on many of the answers that Jonathan Bydlak has given, Ron Paul NOT running a campaign FULL TIME probably had the largest impact of all.

His time was extremely limited. He wasn't able to attend more fundraisers, he wasn't able to do more interviews, he wasn't able to campaign more in the early states. Many of the decisions made at HQ were based on Ron's availability.

Ron Paul was/is an acting Congressman and had previous commitments and obligations to the people he represents. As a realist, he was trying to do everything. But what a massive risk that would have been if he would have given up his seat, not run for re-election and hoped with blind faith that he would win the nomination. Ron Paul isn't without hope, he just doesn't have "blind hope".

But his pragmatic philosophy enabled him to remain in Congress. He DIDN'T throw all of his eggs in one basket. And now he is back in a position to make a difference while still pursuing the Presidential Campaign to get the Message out.

As a realist, I'm not saying that we abandon all delegate efforts. OF COURSE we should try to get as many delegates as possible. As I've said before, there are many other "realistic" goals that can be accomplished with this and I am optimistic that we can accomplish some of those goals. At the very least the goal of gaining experience in the Delegate process will be achieved no matter what the outcome. And it is very possible that in some states we could effectively change the rules for future elections. We may also be able to mold the party platform (though it will be interesting to see how the actual state conventions, the ones that matter, go).

But some (not all) of the "optimists" are saying things like "McCain WILL NOT win!" and "we can unbind delegates!" without even knowing the rules.

Come on, even most people in the optimist camp can't be endorsing that tin-foil-hat type of thinking. But when the realists see things like that, we start thinking "what the hell are you guys smoking? and where can we get some?"

Optimists generally want everyone to abandon all other projects and focus 100% of our time on that 0.000000001% chance that Ron Paul can get the nomination. That strategy is mostly out of our control anyway. Even if we did everything perfectly we might be able to narrow it down to 0.001% chance and hope that McCain snaps or has some giant scandal and that the GOP bigwigs would actually care.

And on top of all of that, I have NO DOUBT that we haven't even seen the Ace up the sleeve from the Bush Administration. Whether it is the war with Iran or some other act of terror to get America afraid and begging for McCain before November... something will happen.

Only the spineless Congress will be able to stop it, which is why many of the realists see the support of Liberty Candidates as absolutely VITAL.

I don't want the optimists to leave. I love the energy and enthusiasm. I just want them to look at the big picture and focus on a two front assault. The irony is that pushing some of these Liberty candidates to victory would be EASY compared to the other things we've been up against. The money they need is a drop in the bucket compared to the fund raising potential we are capable of. Even if some of these optimists just dedicated 10-20% of their time to it, we'd succeed.

Then again, maybe it is just hard to think rationally on an empty stomach.
Here you go:

 

[kigol]

 

[TruthAtLast]

Edu, lol.

The "realists" here, get a kick out of thinking that they are right. Or they're the only ones that perceive the actually 'reality' of the situation.

They're faux though.

I'm the biggest realist here. Because I; LISTEN TO THE FUCKEN DELEGATES.

And I know the MSM is BULLSHIT. - They're still saying 14 delegates assholes. What is "REAL" about that?

For all the faux-realists out there, and thats pretty much every single one of you who THINKS they have some kind of better grasp on reality - rofl... here is some REALITY for you, LOSERS (by definition)

LANDSLIDE VICTORY FOR RON PAUL IN MISSOURI
http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/blog/node/92

Today in Saint Charles County Missouri, the largest Republican County caucus in the state 111 of a possible 137 Delegates were elected for Ron Paul. The St. Charles Caucus was a landslide turnout for Ron Paul. The Republican Platform was amended to oppose the Patriot Act, The Iraq war, the Federal Reserve, Fiat Currency, the Global American Empire, the income Tax, Estate Tax, McCain Fiengold, the National ID Card, The Real ID Act of 2005 and much much more.

How's about them apples?

That is very impressive and I'm proud of the Ron Paul supporters in THAT ONE COUNTY. Tell me.... how many counties are there in the United States? Please post a link to all of the counties we've already lost.

My friend's uncle used to gamble at the race track when I was growing up. And he would tell us stories about the times when he won $10k or even $50k on a single race. Damn, it sounded so exciting!!! He never told us that he lost all of his winnings or that he had lost nearly $3 million over 10 years.

I'm not saying that we are without some moral victories. But 1 or even 20 of these victories does not get you the nomination. I swear some of you haven't read the darn rules. If you tell me that we had a landslide victory at the STATE conventions in about 20 states, well that's different.

I know what you are thinking..... "yeah but if you don't start from the bottom, you can't ever have that state victory".

You're right. And that is why I have never suggested that you abandon the delegate effort. Just don't let it be the only thing you focus on because the chances are that we have a great showing and have many great victories but at the end of the day McCain is STILL likely going to be the nominee. And by then it will be too late to support many of these Liberty candidates.