Don't let the "realists" bring you down.

[amy31416]

remember everyone..


zera is in like 8th grade.

Well now it makes sense!

 

[TruthAtLast]

remember everyone..


zera is in like 8th grade.

awww, i feel bad now. I feel like I was picking on a handicapped person or something. Though I'm still laughing at the "you're an idiot" comment.

I can just picture Ron Paul, instead of defending his ideals, just turning to a reporter, interviewer, or debate host and saying "you're and idiot".


The truth is that I value the optimism and energy. I just think it is misplaced by many people. Focus that same energy into something that can really make a difference and the Movement will thrive.

Why is it that Ron Paul can send one email and without any planning we spontaneously create a money bomb that drops about $1 million into his Congressional race in 24 hours, YET we can't fully fund any of these liberty candidates who only need a fraction of that amount and could make some real progress in Congress while giving Ron Paul some much needed support.

It just doesn't make sense to me. This "Movement" is splintering off into so many different directions that it lacks any focus. And though there are some merits to having independent Grassroots organizations, this is the major problem with completely decentralizing a Movement. There is no direction, therefore our power in numbers and resources is drastically diluted.

Seriously, in a single week, we should be able to destroy the competition of any one of our Pauliticians. More money, youtube the heck out of them, call radio stations and flood emails, take over every poll, etc. Many of these guys are just trying to get over the hump and once they prove to the local bigwigs that they are for real, they'll have all of the support they need to take it the rest of the way.

 

[The One]

remember everyone..


zera is in like 8th grade.

Is that true???? If it is, I'm gonna go beat myself in the head with a tack hammer for being the world's biggest dickhead.

 

[amy31416]

Is that true???? If it is, I'm gonna go beat myself in the head with a tack hammer for being the world's biggest dickhead.

Don't beat yourself up, literally or figuratively, or even with a tack hammer. There's a lot of craziness going on here.

 

[flames2dust77]

Well now it makes sense!

are you serious? LOL! I can't stop laughing. jeeeezus.

 

[j650]

I think Zera and nate are both in the 8th grade so that gives you some insight into who we're dealing with here. Not even eligible to vote. There's nothing wrong with being real about Ron Paul not being President. The long term goals are much more important here. Congressman Paul even said himself that a revolutions are long term projects.

 

[TruthAtLast]

There's nothing wrong with being real about Ron Paul not being President. The long term goals are much more important here. Congressman Paul even said himself that a revolutions are long term projects.

QFT

 

[Akus]

The negativity is poisoning the morale more then the most pessimistic MSM report.

I wish people would understand that the win, while is not certain, is very reachable. I wish people would see that that one "realist" throws his hands up and says screw it was all it would have taken to win the nomination.

Have you heard the OK and, I believe, MO stories where they were missing only 5 or some other negligibly small amount of people to make those states send RP delegates to the convention in St. Paul?

I cannot repeat this enough. If there ever was a time to believe, to fight and to persevere, now is that time. We don't know the whole picture, but I do contact Dr. Robert Paul and others close to him and he says we are in a very good position and, given that we will still bust our asses like we have for the last year, we stand a good, respectable chance of getting the nomination. It isn't a guarantee, but it is a chance.

Why can't we just once try our damnest to get that chance? Stop comparing this to a lottery or to some Vegas slot machine. This is neither. This is a future of our country, this is a very obtainable chance, not by dumb luck, but by work, work and more work. I'm talking boots on the ground, I'm talking participation of every single able bodied Ron Paul supporter.

Stop with the negativity, you're poisoning the campaign and you're going against what Ron Paul believes, changing the status quo.

 

[TruthAtLast]

The negativity is poisoning the morale more then the most pessimistic MSM report.

I wish people would understand that the win, while is not certain, is very reachable. I wish people would see that that one "realist" throws his hands up and says screw it was all it would have taken to win the nomination.

Have you heard the OK and, I believe, MO stories where they were missing only 5 or some other negligibly small amount of people to make those states send RP delegates to the convention in St. Paul?

I cannot repeat this enough. If there ever was a time to believe, to fight and to persevere, now is that time. We don't know the whole picture, but I do contact Dr. Robert Paul and others close to him and he says we are in a very good position and, given that we will still bust our asses like we have for the last year, we stand a good, respectable chance of getting the nomination. It isn't a guarantee, but it is a chance.

Why can't we just once try our damnest to get that chance? Stop comparing this to a lottery or to some Vegas slot machine. This is neither. This is a future of our country, this is a very obtainable chance, not by dumb luck, but by work, work and more work. I'm talking boots on the ground, I'm talking participation of every single able bodied Ron Paul supporter.

Stop with the negativity, you're poisoning the campaign and you're going against what Ron Paul believes, changing the status quo.

i admire your enthusiasm. I admire your drive and determination. We need those kinds of people but what the heck makes you think that realists are throwing their hands up and giving up? We aren't being negative. We are being POSITIVE. we are trying to push this Movement forward rather than hanging onto false hopes.

Those successes you speak of are at the county level. And yes they are important because we might be able to make policy changes for future elections. We might be able to pass some resolutions to change the platform. We certainly can gain contacts and experience to help with future elections.

But there is a difference between having THAT goal, and saying that these delegates are suddenly going to be unbound or that suddenly McCain will not have 50% of the votes on the first ballot (regardless of how many Ron Paul supporters are there). There is a difference between trying to change the platform and slowly infiltrating the Republican party (which I believe is necessary) and having people plan to overthrow the popular vote and somehow organize a coup at the Convention. This worked out well in Louisiana didn't it?

People are talking about raising millions to do ad campaigns to "convince" other non-Ron Paul delegates to switch their loyalties and collude to overthrow the RNC. I mean seriously? This is the plan?

We aren't giving up, we are moving to areas that can actually effect this country immediately.

I know you are much too intelligent to believe that "one realist" is all it would take to win the nomination.

For those people that are delegates, by all means keep pushing forward. There are many other very legitimate reasons for this. But to tell people that Ron Paul is suddenly going to steal the election is nuts. You may as well tell them that there is a secret plan to assassinate McCain and hold hostage all other delegates to vote for Ron Paul.

I think our delegates are doing amazing work. They are getting great experience and in some cases they are even getting some resolutions passed at the county level that hopefully will reach the State and National level. They are also bringing some legitimacy to the "message", so that alone is a great success and worth pursuing.

But what makes you think that it is just one or the other? Why the heck would we want to put all of our eggs one basket? 5-6 months from now, when Ron Paul DOESN'T get the nomination and many or all of our Liberty candidates have also lost due to lack of support.... then what are you going to be left with?

 

[Zera]

I understand that the whole revolution is a long term thing. It's not like I'd completely give it up if Paul didn't get the nomination. Regardless, try to see what I am trying to say.

It seems that most of the realists are, even if it's not intentional, not being very positive. I mean, what does "Ron Paul has no chance of getting the nomination" sound like? I already said it in the first post that the chance isn't too great, everyone knows that. But, it's still there. People have made progress and have done some cool stuff, which we know from the success stories they post here. So, it's obvious that if similar things continue to happen nationwide, then yes, there is a chance that he can still get the nomination. It's just stupid to think that there's none at all!

Here's a resolution: If you see people discussing the event of the convention, just don't post saying something like he has no chance. People are spending their time trying to make the chance happen, so let them be.

 

[Revolution9]

There are two sides here.. The "get with the program side" and those who refuse to be programmed. The ones promoting programming insist that their programming is not faulty. They have no way to prove or disprove this except through rote and repetition. Conversely the ones refusing programming cannot elucidate to the program followers why they refuse in such a manner as to break through the false stranglehold on "reality" exhibited by the program followers. Personally I own the real estate between my ears..not any of you.. If I want to go on believing what I wish to believe about future events, only those events unfolding and coming or not coming to fruition will alter my perception. The rest is all mumbo jumbo and programming output. Common sense dictates this to be so..

McCain has advanced alzheimers. Stuff that into your reality pipe and watch the smoke curls as they loft to the heavens.

Randy

 

[Conza88]

The "REALISTS" have nothing in common with "REALITY".

They all gravitate towards conventional wisdom.. but that is NEVER wise.

You WANT REALITY?

= LISTEN TO THE DELEGATES.

The 'realists' IGNORE them.

Thus, they're WRONG>.

 

[uncollapse]

Here's a resolution: If you see people discussing the event of the convention, just don't post saying something like he has no chance. People are spending their time trying to make the chance happen, so let them be.

+1

Skeptics should keep their mouth shut. spewing negativity and doom and gloom is just so destructive. Although I do not believe that RP has much chance of winning the nomination, I respect those who have cling on to their convictions and faith and work hard in getting RP the nomination. It is quite commendable.

 

[flames2dust77]

Someone point out the negativity in these comments. I don't see it. btw...realist does not = skeptic.

What I am asking, all of you who are concentrating on the delegates and the nomination: is that all you're concerned with at this point in time? And if so, what will you do IF the convention does not work in our favor? I am not asking to argue your answers...i am asking because i do not understand. Your personal perception is your reality.

I personally have not lost hope...but i am also trying to stay extremely grounded, especially after super tuesday. People not being grounded is what made alot of ppl jump ship. I seriously believe that. ...well, i know it's a fact with several ex supporters i have spoken to recently.

This word "realist" ppl have started throwing around is ridiculous. It's called "having your feet firmly planted on the ground, having your head out of the clouds, and doin' work."

If you are all about getting the delegates...then get with it! If you're about supporting Ron Paul republicans and promoting them...do that. There is a ton of work to be done w/in the revolution, for the revolution, by the revolution, whatever. I have done a ton of work as far as delegates go here where I am living now...and back in my home state of Texas. I'm done with that.; I have done all I can do in that realm w/o upsetting my household and taking away from my child. I am not throwing my hands up like some have claimed realists/skeptics are doing. I am now doing other things that I personally feel are worth while in this movement. So stop bagging on the ppl who do not fall in line w/being obsessed about the delegates. I remain open to: anything can happen. But, damn... while I remain open....it's time to do work instead of obsessing.

 

[pcosmar]

I need a miracle every day.

And its real and it wont go away, oh no
I cant get around and I cant run away
I need a miracle every day.

 

[uncollapse]

Someone point out the negativity in these comments. I don't see it. btw...realist does not = skeptic.

By constantly maintaining a doubtful attitude towards someone else's plan makes you a skeptic. Check the dictionary.

Just like firm but not harsh; realistic but not skeptical

 

[flames2dust77]

By constantly maintaining a doubtful attitude towards someone else's plan makes you a skeptic. Check the dictionary.

Just like firm but not harsh; realistic but not skeptical

skepticism - an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object

realist - One who is inclined to literal truth and pragmatism

there is a difference. i should have stated: a realist does not equal a skeptic. if any of us were skeptics...we would have jumped ship after super tuesday....believe that. there is still work to do...lots.

 

[TruthAtLast]

By constantly maintaining a doubtful attitude towards someone else's plan makes you a skeptic. Check the dictionary.

Just like firm but not harsh; realistic but not skeptical

i guess that makes Ron Paul a skeptic too then.

 

[flames2dust77]

i guess that makes Ron Paul a skeptic too then.

RP admitted he was a skeptic. That probably makes him a realist too.

 

[phree]

There are two sides here.. The "get with the program side" and those who refuse to be programmed. The ones promoting programming insist that their programming is not faulty. They have no way to prove or disprove this except through rote and repetition. Conversely the ones refusing programming cannot elucidate to the program followers why they refuse in such a manner as to break through the false stranglehold on "reality" exhibited by the program followers. Personally I own the real estate between my ears..not any of you.. If I want to go on believing what I wish to believe about future events, only those events unfolding and coming or not coming to fruition will alter my perception. The rest is all mumbo jumbo and programming output. Common sense dictates this to be so..

McCain has advanced alzheimers. Stuff that into your reality pipe and watch the smoke curls as they loft to the heavens.

Randy

Aye, truer words were ne'r spoken me monkey-assed mate! Tis true ye own real estate betwixt yer ears, tis a shame the market is crashing!