Don't let the "realists" bring you down.

Zera said:
Sigh... I make a topic telling people to not be let down by them, and two just come here and continue to troll.

Go away.
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Zera oh puhleease. Not one of my posts on this site can be considered trollish at all. None of my actions or work for the movement...remember "MOVEMENT" (which consists of more than the whole delegate process) can be considered trollish either. Check yourself. Just because ppl don't fall in line with exactly how you think...does not make them a troll. It's funny how ppl here want sheeples within the ranks. It's ridiculous. You obviously were not here after the whole super tuesday dose of reality. I have never said anything about the optimists here. I personally choose to start looking a bit ahead and see what can be done to help Dr. Paul out in Congress. My answer: support all ron paul republicans running for congress. I know...because that's such a baaaaad thing. I must be a dumb, realist, traitor.

PS...ppl this person says I'm a troll because i asked a question using the words "realist" and "negative" in comment a couple of days ago. Grow up.
 
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flames2dust77 said:
Zera oh puhleease. Not one of my posts on this site can be considered trollish at all. None of my actions or work for the movement...remember "MOVEMENT" (which consists of more than the whole delegate process) can be considered trollish either. Check yourself. Just because ppl don't fall in line with exactly how you think...does not make them a troll. It's funny how ppl here want everyone to be sheeple within the ranks. It's ridiculous.

PS...ppl this person says I'm a troll because i asked a question using the words "realist" and "negative" in comment a couple of days ago. Grow up.
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I actually saw your first realist post two days ago, and I don't recall that. I called you two trolls because I made a topic specifically for people who may be let down by realists such as yourself, and you two come in here to continue to bring people down.
 
I have lived long enough to know that sometimes you succeed by simply hanging on until the end. By simply not quitting and continuing to pursue a goal, it can eventually be achieved. This is also known as persistence. Often persistence will win the day when intellect and skill fall by the wayside. So it is important that we not quit on this campaign until the Republican nomination has been made.

Secondly, this movement is also about IDEAS. These are important ideas which we must pursue until we are dead. We can't give up and we must not. If we fail to implement these ideas, it must be because we died, not because we quit.

The younger ones of you may not agree with this while the older ones almost certainly will.
 
Zera said:
I actually saw your first realist post two days ago, and I don't recall that. I called you two trolls because I made a topic specifically for people who may be let down by realists such as yourself, and you two come in here to continue to bring people down.
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I didn't come in here to bring people down. I did come in here to defend those of us who are calling for a little sanity in the way we view our chances and where our efforts would be best spent at this point in time.
 
Zera said:
Holy fuck. Not only are you realists negative, but also asses. What the hell is wrong with you people?
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negative? to absolutely REFUSE to see reality is counter productive. People like you are destroying any chance this Movement has at having a lasting impact and implementing real change.

Could ANYTHING HAPPEN? Of course, but maybe I should hope for a meteor to hit the White House and the Congressional building. Hey..... "anything can happen" right? Wooo Hooo! Let's release a video and do a money bomb for a meteor hitting the White House!!!!

You forget what the goal was for the entire campaign in the first place, even when Ron Paul tells you over and over again. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ONE MAN! This is NOT the Ron Paul Revolution! This is not just about getting him the nomination!! This was said in his own words!

Ron Paul ignited a Movement and your rosy colored glasses are blinding you from the reality that McCain has a 99.99999999999999999% chance that he WILL BECOME THE NOMINEE.

But hey, let's waste our time for that 00.000000000000000001% chance!

Of course there are many successes and we love those. We love the experience that our people are getting in the delegate process. We love the show of support that the "message" is getting and showing the GOP that they need to change their ways. I'm all for that because that experience will be needed in future elections.

But do you even know how these state convention rules even work? Many of them are set WAY in advance (some over two years ago). You can't pass resolutions to release delegates!

YOU CAN possibly pass resolutions to change the rules for FUTURE elections. So, in that sense, yes it is important. Do you really think that each state is going to go against the popular vote and send Ron Paul supporters to the National Convention? COME ON! WAKE UP!!!!!!

Yes, if we took over EVERY SINGLE precinct and the only people they had to choose from were Ron Paul supporters, then it might work, but even then the delegates would be bound and in many cases they submit somewhat of a block vote (proportion to the delegates) when they get to the RNC.

Did you know that even if McCain died, Ron Paul probably would NOT become the nominee? Did you know that they can actually select ANYONE at that point, even if they weren't in the Presidential race? These aren't General Election rules, they are the rules of the Party.

You people are losing focus when there is a lot of work to do. How many times do we read about Bills that Ron Paul proposes or fights against with no one backing him? Ron Paul is practically the lone voice of reason in Congress and we have the ability to get possibly dozens of people backing him. That is probably more valuable than any amount of pipe dream scenarios because that is REAL. Heck, even if Ron Paul won the nomination, there is no guarantee he would win the General election. And even if he pulled off that feat Congress would block many of the things he would want to do. Ron Paul himself has said this! That is why he says that this is a Long Term Project.

You call people who see the big picture trolls and negative. I submit that you are the one spreading an unfocused message that goes AGAINST everything that Ron Paul has been saying.

Here's an idea.... try actually listening to the guy you claim to support, or are you also one of those people that think you can FORCE him into a 3rd party or Independent run if you could just do another money bomb or get enough signatures!
 
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co-sign does not equal bringing ppl down. dude, lighten up. it's sarcasm. and yes...you quoted my question in that post and very rudely told me to go away. over a question. u need to chill out and actually look at ppls past posts before you start being a butt.

i edited my previous comment. go back and read it. my point is in there. yes...do work to get the delegates...but we MUST start looking a ahead at what to do if the delegates do not pan out. You have to stay one step ahead of everything. If you put all of your hope into delegates we'll be scrambling for another plan at the last minute. This is a movement...change isn't going to happen over night. The GOP needs to be transformed...big time.
 
To whoever said I deny reality completely:

Read the first sentence of my first post.
 
look zera..

im also optimistic. but, i know we dont have a big chance. you can be a realist and an optimist

and you have to understand, these people are not trolls, they are just as committed as me and you.

but they have accepted the long haul goals and let go of the short term.

as should you, i mean if we somehow win the convention then great. but we cant dwell on the nomination anymore.

we can work towards the Convention and..

we can work as hard as we can to spread the message.
 
CMoore said:
I have lived long enough to know that sometimes you succeed by simply hanging on until the end. By simply not quitting and continuing to pursue a goal, it can eventually be achieved. This is also known as persistence. Often persistence will win the day when intellect and skill fall by the wayside. So it is important that we not quit on this campaign until the Republican nomination has been made.

Secondly, this movement is also about IDEAS. These are important ideas which we must pursue until we are dead. We can't give up and we must not. If we fail to implement these ideas, it must be because we died, not because we quit.

The younger ones of you may not agree with this while the older ones almost certainly will.
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Yes, and remember Ron Paul's words to the effect of: a lot can happen before the convention. Mccain could be on one of those 'made for our chosen candidates' interviews and just totally implode on air. I mean this guy is really nuts! A Senator pushes away an old lady in a wheel chair for asking about the MIA's? Now there's reality for you!:D
 
Let me ask you...if you had to gamble with your life, would you be happy if in rder to stay alive you have to hit 20 consecutive roulette spins in a row? Not picking the color, but the exact number? Because that it the odds that you are optimistic about.

Again..the reason why it is so imprtant to not hang onto pipe dreams is two fold. 1. You are wasting time and energy on something that has zero percent chance of happening. and 2. When you show the mainstream that you refuse to accept reality, you give the haters reason to not take you seriously. You really think that going up to a random person ion the street now and saying that Ron Paul still has a chance for the nomination is going to make them listen to you, or read the slim jims you give them? Absolutely not. If you act like someone not in this real world, those slim jims are being thrown on the ground the second you walk away.

You would do MUCH more good to the movement to say "Well, we fought the good fight in this primary season. We are not going to get the nomination, but that does not mean that we can't still fight for the ideals. Not just with this year, but in years to come." People will take you seriously then, and will be more willing to listen.

And alaric...that STILL wouldn't give Ron Paul the nomination. McCain could die, or punch a 2 month old baby in the head...that does not make Ron Paul the GOP nomination. So not only are you banking on hitting the roulette spins 20 times in a row..but even if you DID, it wouldn't make him the nomination.

Here is another example. I was always a basketball fan. One time, my Knicks were down by 12 points with 5 seconds remaining. I said to my mom that it was still possible for them to win. I said if someone hit a three pointer and got fouled, and then the other team argued about the foul to the point of getting 9 technical fouls called on them, they could win it.

Here is the thing though...I was 10 years old. And joking. Even at age 10 I realized how ridiculous it was to think that it could happen.
 
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GoPaul08 said:
Let me ask you...if you had to gamble with your life, would you be happy if in rder to stay alive you have to hit 20 consecutive roulette spins in a row? Not picking the color, but the exact number? Because that it the odds that you are optimistic about.

Again..the reason why it is so imprtant to not hang onto pipe dreams is two fold. 1. You are wasting time and energy on something that has zero percent chance of happening. and 2. When you show the mainstream that you refuse to accept reality, you give the haters reason to not take you seriously. You really think that going up to a random person ion the street now and saying that Ron Paul still has a chance for the nomination is going to make them listen to you, or read the slim jims you give them? Absolutely not. If you act like someone not in this real world, those slim jims are being thrown on the ground the second you walk away.

You would do MUCH more good to the movement to say "Well, we fought the good fight in this primary season. We are not going to get the nomination, but that does not mean that we can't still fight for the ideals. Not just with this year, but in years to come." People will take you seriously then, and will be more willing to listen.

And alaric...that STILL wouldn't give Ron Paul the nomination. McCain could die, or punch a 2 month old baby in the head...that does not make Ron Paul the GOP nomination. So not only are you banking on hitting the roulette spins 20 times in a row..but even if you DID, it wouldn't make him the nomination.

Here is another example. I was always a basketball fan. One time, my Knicks were down by 12 points with 5 seconds remaining. I said to my mom that it was still possible for them to win. I said if someone hit a three pointer and got fouled, and then the other team argued about the foul to the point of getting 9 technical fouls called on them, they could win it.

Here is the thing though...I was 10 years old. And kidding. Even at age 10 I realized how ridiculous it was to think that it could happen.
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You're an idiot.
 
GoPaul08 said:
Let me ask you...if you had to gamble with your life, would you be happy if in rder to stay alive you have to hit 20 consecutive roulette spins in a row? Not picking the color, but the exact number? Because that it the odds that you are optimistic about.

Again..the reason why it is so imprtant to not hang onto pipe dreams is two fold. 1. You are wasting time and energy on something that has zero percent chance of happening. and 2. When you show the mainstream that you refuse to accept reality, you give the haters reason to not take you seriously. You really think that going up to a random person ion the street now and saying that Ron Paul still has a chance for the nomination is going to make them listen to you, or read the slim jims you give them? Absolutely not. If you act like someone not in this real world, those slim jims are being thrown on the ground the second you walk away.

You would do MUCH more good to the movement to say "Well, we fought the good fight in this primary season. We are not going to get the nomination, but that does not mean that we can't still fight for the ideals. Not just with this year, but in years to come." People will take you seriously then, and will be more willing to listen.

And alaric...that STILL wouldn't give Ron Paul the nomination. McCain could die, or punch a 2 month old baby in the head...that does not make Ron Paul the GOP nomination. So not only are you banking on hitting the roulette spins 20 times in a row..but even if you DID, it wouldn't make him the nomination.

Here is another example. I was always a basketball fan. One time, my Knicks were down by 12 points with 5 seconds remaining. I said to my mom that it was still possible for them to win. I said if someone hit a three pointer and got fouled, and then the other team argued about the foul to the point of getting 9 technical fouls called on them, they could win it.

Here is the thing though...I was 10 years old. And joking. Even at age 10 I realized how ridiculous it was to think that it could happen.
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In a similar vein, I also think you are wasting your time trying to convince people to believe that RP will not win. Your reasoning is so weak that the chances you can convince one person here is like trying to hit 20 consecutive roulette spins in a row. Not picking the color, but the exact number! :D
 
flames2dust77 said:
Zera oh puhleease. Not one of my posts on this site can be considered trollish at all. None of my actions or work for the movement...remember "MOVEMENT" (which consists of more than the whole delegate process) can be considered trollish either. Check yourself. Just because ppl don't fall in line with exactly how you think...does not make them a troll. It's funny how ppl here want sheeples within the ranks. It's ridiculous. You obviously were not here after the whole super tuesday dose of reality. I have never said anything about the optimists here. I personally choose to start looking a bit ahead and see what can be done to help Dr. Paul out in Congress. My answer: support all ron paul republicans running for congress. I know...because that's such a baaaaad thing. I must be a dumb, realist, traitor.

PS...ppl this person says I'm a troll because i asked a question using the words "realist" and "negative" in comment a couple of days ago. Grow up.
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F2D is definitely, absolutely 100% anti-troll. Any claims otherwise are complete and utter BS. I've seen the work she does for the movement and she is not a negative person in the least.

Reality is not a bad word, being a realist is a good thing.

And there are some harsh realities out there for us supporters. Let's get used to it, we will be much more effective if we are realistic rather than just driven on pure emotion.
 
GoPaul08 said:
my Knicks were down by 12 points with 5 seconds remaining. I said to my mom that it was still possible for them to win. I said if someone hit a three pointer and got fouled, and then the other team argued about the foul to the point of getting 9 technical fouls called on them, they could win it.
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You mean you can't come back in 5 seconds being down by 12? Man... you're just spreading negativity.... ;)

Can't they get fouled hitting a 3 and miss the last free throw and put it in for a 4 point play, then foul the moment the other team inbounds the ball, having them miss both free throws, then taking a time out to advance the ball up court, to then hit a "catch and shoot" 3 pointer, then steal the next inbound pass and get another three, only to then foul again, have them miss two more free throws and hit another 3 to win the game?

Come on man, "anything is possible"! You're just giving up!! :D
 
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