Donald Trump speaks to shrunken Atlanta crowd as poll numbers drop

not really. I tend to 'distill' things down to reality.

The reality is, we don't know Ron Paul knew Benton was scum, it certainly wasn't obvious he was on the opposite side, and they never have run against each other.

Which of these things can you say about Clinton and Trump?
 
The reality is, we don't know Ron Paul knew Benton was scum, it certainly wasn't obvious he was on the opposite side, and they never have run against each other.

Which of these things can you say about Clinton and Trump?


well, i suppose one could make this a big issue and be on the right side of it, and be correct.
 
my point was the fact that Trump posed for a pic with scum....so did Ron....

The problem isn't just that the Clintons are scum. But rather they have been his best friends in the world of politics for years, he called Bill right before announcing. And we are supposed to think they are not only enemies but polar opposites?
 
The problem isn't just that the Clintons are scum. But rather they have been his best friends in the world of politics for years, he called Bill right before announcing. And we are supposed to think they are not only enemies but polar opposites?

yeah...maybe. I'm not in trumps little circle of friends, so i'm not 100% sure trump is that close to the clintons. Can't believe everything you read, but...who really knows for sure...
 
That's why an average of polls is more sobering than 'this week' results that are impacted by momentary situations. The average does not justify the "Trump is dead" cheerleading going on here.

Trump's been losing to Hillary by double digits since he first became the front-runner last summer.

The "momentary situation" was Trump clinching the nomination a few weeks ago, which gave him a bump.

The drop since then is a return to normality.

didn't Ron and Rand pose for pics with people 'we' didn't approve of?

Did they donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to them, publicly praise them, and agree with all their terrible, unlibertarian policies?
 
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Did they donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to them, publicly praise them, and agree with all their terrible, unlibertarian policies?

i've already conceded the argument, and from all the counter arguments i have decided trump is worse than hilliary.
 
Atleast with Rand I think he posed for pictures with anyone. He really didn't kick people who disagreed with him out of his events either.
 
true enough, however, the 'don' has already explained his tactics as a business man, and the fact he 'plays' the game with regards to politics and business. Seems legit, but people are allowed to change aren't they?...


just keeping it real...

There are several clips on this:

WaPo: Bill Clinton Called Trump Before Campaign Announcement
Image: WaPo: Bill Clinton Called Trump Before Campaign Announcement (AP and Getty Images)

By Greg Richter | Wednesday, 05 Aug 2015 07:12 PM

Former President Bill Clinton, husband of the current Democratic presidential frontrunner, spoke by phone to Donald Trump, the Republican frontrunner, before Trump's June announcement, The Washington Post reports.

Associates to both Clinton and Trump have confirmed the call occurred in late May, though no specific date was given, according to the Post. The sources also said Trump's presidential campaign was not discussed.

The Post notes that revelations of the call come as Trump has faced criticism for his ties to Democrats. Trump has admitted to donating to Democrats and Republicans, but says those donations were made essentially because he runs so many businesses and wanted to ensure they were treated fairly.

He has donated to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaigns and to the Clinton Foundation.

Trump says he would seek to end such practices if elected and notes that because of his own personal wealth he doesn't need to rely on rich donors to fund his campaign.

Trump took Clinton's call at his Trump Tower office in Manhattan, according to the Post.

"Mr. Trump reached out to President Clinton a few times. President Clinton returned his call in late May," the Post quoted a Clinton employee. "While we don’t make it a practice to discuss the president’s private conversations, we can tell you that the presidential race was not discussed."

According Trump allies, Clinton "listened intently and then analyzed Trump’s prospects and his desire to rouse the GOP base," the Post reported.

Clinton never urged Trump to run, his allies told the Post. Instead, the Clinton sounded curious about Trump's moves toward a run and told Trump he was striking a chord with frustrated conservatives
 
It's clear I forgot the fourth possibility--you can get paid to bury the evidence in a pile of razzle-dazzle bull$#@!.

So, how much are you getting paid? I stand by the better counter evidence I discussed, which you discounted.

Trump's been losing to Hillary by double digits since he first became the front-runner last summer.

The "momentary situation" was Trump clinching the nomination a few weeks ago, which gave him a bump.

The drop since then is a return to normality.

We'll see which 'normality' wins out soon enough. As mentioned before, there will be another bump for Hillary and Trump each, during the conventions. The primary data (which represents a larger and more accurate sample or intended voter behavior this year) still plainly points to greatly increased pro-Republican turnout and decreased pro-Democratic turnout in the fall, thus favors a strong Trump victory.
 
So, how much are you getting paid? I stand by the better counter evidence I discussed, which you discounted.



We'll see which 'normality' wins out soon enough. As mentioned before, there will be another bump for Hillary and Trump each, during the conventions. The primary data (which represents a larger and more accurate sample or intended voter behavior this year) still plainly points to greatly increased pro-Republican turnout and decreased pro-Democratic turnout in the fall, thus favors a strong Trump victory.

You mean the pro-Republican turnout who were mobilized to vote against Trump?

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That's why an average of polls is more sobering than 'this week' results that are impacted by momentary situations. The average does not justify the "Trump is dead" cheerleading going on here.

The numbers speak for themselves: Trump's average, even including higher polls from last month, are the lowest numbers he's had since August 14th, 2015, when there were still 17 major GOP candidates in the race for Republican voters to choose from. Trump is in trouble, because his poll numbers are the lowest they have been in ten months.
 
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Trump is tanking amongst white southerners.

The Atlanta crowd is mostly white southerners, his approval today is identical to what it is.

Any fall in numbers, is fear of terrorism or they've already been to the Trump Rock Show before.
 
If Trump is so very unpopular as is often claimed by some, there is no chance of him beating SWC Hillary. Then why some Trump critics like the OP are frantically putting up 5-10 new anti-Trump threads every day?

So many attacks on him seem to suggest high fear of Trump getting elected. If Trump is so very unpopular, irrational fear of Trump victory threat or phobia could be handled without spending so much time on attacking an un-winnable horse.
 
If Trump is so very unpopular as is often claimed by some, there is no chance of him beating SWC Hillary. Then why some Trump critics like the OP are frantically putting up 5-10 new anti-Trump threads every day?

So many attacks on him seem to suggest high fear of Trump getting elected. If Trump is so very unpopular, irrational fear of Trump victory threat or phobia could be handled without spending so much time on attacking an un-winnable horse.

It's because of the high support of Trump from forum members. Members were asked not to support Trump on the forum, but many did and do. The anti-Trump threads came from trying to deal with the Trumpagalia.

No one seems to favor Hitlery, so posting all the negatives about her hasn't seemed as necessary.
 
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It's because of the high support of Trump from forum members. Members were asked not to support Trump on the forum, but many did and do. The anti-Trump threads came from trying to deal with the Trumpagalia.

No one seems to favor Hitlery, so posted all the negatives about her hasn't seemed as necessary.

:) It may seem like a nuance but there is clear difference in meaning when you use the term " not to support Trump" instead of what actual guidelines called for, i.e. "not to promote Trump".

For all practical purposes in the current race at this stage, always attacking Trump exclusively actually translates to supporting SWC Hillary.
 
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