Donald Trump reminded us why a Republican Party without libertarian values isn’t worth it
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Yea, reading's for cucks yo...
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If they were leftists, they would be praising Trump for his leftism. Like you do.
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Really... and these war mongers didn't?
Bush
McCain
Romney
These guys have done far more damage to America and Liberty of Americans than anyone on horizon now ( with expection of Hillary and Obama on Dem side).
Bush
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These guys have done far more damage to America and Liberty of Americans than anyone on horizon now ( with expection of Hillary and Obama on Dem side).
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But Trump has run on a positively anti-libertarian platform without even pretending not to want more and more power in the hands of the federal government, and the party embraced him for it.
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I don't recal seeing McCain, Romney, Bush saying any of these:
- Iraq war wes a big fat mistake
- Media is dishnoest
- US political system is rigged
- US foreign poliocy of interventionism/regime changes/nation building has been an unmitigated disaster
Trump is no Libertarian or even a conservative but I'm not at all surprised that some people see glimpses of some blunt truth telling (similar to what some saw in Ron Paul's debate speeches), unscripted style even if bundled with lot of self-serving ego-massaging rhetoric.
- Iraq war wes a big fat mistake
- Media is dishnoest
- US political system is rigged
- US foreign poliocy of interventionism/regime changes/nation building has been an unmitigated disaster
Trump is no Libertarian or even a conservative but I'm not at all surprised that some people see glimpses of some blunt truth telling (similar to what some saw in Ron Paul's debate speeches), unscripted style even if bundled with lot of self-serving ego-massaging rhetoric.
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Yes, they're all terrible, having supported:
bailouts
Keynesian stimulus
socialized medicine
central banking
the PATRIOT Act
the Iraq War
Trump, having also supported all of those things, is also terrible.
Garbage article.
"Now if you asked Trump if fear mongering or peddling hate was his intent–I don’t think he’s a bigot but isn’t self-aware enough to understand the dark emotions he’s recklessly unleashing—he would likely scoff and accuse you of being politically correct.
To make such an accusation is to encourage Trump and his followers who actually are racists even more."
Lower middle class whites don't like losing their jobs to illegal immigrants. That doesn't make them racists. If Trump wants to use racial arguments instead of economic arguments, that's on Trump. Restricting the supply of cheap labor makes the price of labor go up. More money in the hands of lower middle class whites. More money for them, not racism.
Notice these days how all of these authors love to kiss the ass of Trump while attacking people who will vote for him. Hillary is a disgusting pig. People who feel that Hillary is a disgusting pig are a big part of Trump's winning coalition, and racism has nothing to do with the votes coming from that anti-Hillary block. This author is a piece of trash.
"Now if you asked Trump if fear mongering or peddling hate was his intent–I don’t think he’s a bigot but isn’t self-aware enough to understand the dark emotions he’s recklessly unleashing—he would likely scoff and accuse you of being politically correct.
To make such an accusation is to encourage Trump and his followers who actually are racists even more."
Lower middle class whites don't like losing their jobs to illegal immigrants. That doesn't make them racists. If Trump wants to use racial arguments instead of economic arguments, that's on Trump. Restricting the supply of cheap labor makes the price of labor go up. More money in the hands of lower middle class whites. More money for them, not racism.
Notice these days how all of these authors love to kiss the ass of Trump while attacking people who will vote for him. Hillary is a disgusting pig. People who feel that Hillary is a disgusting pig are a big part of Trump's winning coalition, and racism has nothing to do with the votes coming from that anti-Hillary block. This author is a piece of trash.
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That's true, disliking losing your job does not make you a racist.
Cheering racist comments makes you a racist.
...meanwhile, calling on Uncle Sugar to forcibly deport your competition in order to raise your wages makes you a union gangster.
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NO.
That is NOT solving the problem- what is needed is to bring back real capitalism and get rid of business being over-regulated.
If workers want a "better wage" then the first thing is to get rid of the FED, fractional banking, and let real capitalism reign. When that scenario happens then business can again bring better products to the populace; presto: a product does well and more workers are needed.
I have also been in the real world where managers cannot find anyone to take certain jobs- even ones that pay higher than minimum wage. Many Americans do not want to work in services - such as housekeeping or landscape- I have seen owner/managers begging people to take jobs that started at $15 per hr minimum and finally having to approach the Hispanic community to fill the need. Haven't seen may 'Muricans going for the farming jobs, either.
And, I have never heard Trump talk about the FED or the problem with the financial world.
I guess I don't know what "racist comments" are.
But notice that the person making the "racist comments" is not being called a racist, because the author is a kiss-ass pussy. If you think that building a wall is intrinsically racist, then the person suggesting building the wall is instrinsically racist. It's sickening BS to hear the speaker making "racist" comments get let off the hook when the people who aren't saying anything, who aren't crafting the message, merely showing support for the general idea, and not necessarily the language, get called racists. I guess the author might want a job. Speak truth to power, hell no, criticize the powerless.
Hey, we're all in agreement that our Federal Government sucks and has always sucked in our lifetimes. I can't tell you when there started to be "illegal" immigration, but I know that Eisenhower, who is not known as a notorious racist, did implement "Operation Wetback" designed to remove people who were here illegally. Again, no Federal Government at all would be best - but since we can't have that, do you really want to bash people for wanting existing laws to be enforced?
The illegal immigrants do cause a drop in wages. And I know libertarians care more about having a lot of people available willing to work for low wages than almost anything else, but I really don't. We don't like in a free market. Prices aren't the cost of production. Prices are whatever they want them to be (basically, at least the prices are untethered to production cost) because oligopoly.
You're dumping on poor people, poor Americans, decent people who have been watching illegal immigrants take their jobs or live off their tax money, who simply want these laws that have been there since before they were born to be enforced. And you attack them. They just want the government to do the job they were supposed to be doing all along. And Trump was instantaneously popular with those lower middle class or poor whites with jobs who simply do not want a bunch of people coming in - illegally - and taking their jobs.
Before Ron Paul, I liked Pat Buchanan. I like that message. And in the broadest terms, it's the same message - things are seriously broken. Solutions are different of course.
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A comment which implies that most Mexican immigrants are rapists (which is, of course, untrue) is a racist comment, for instance.
No, just intrinsically stupid, costly, and unnecessary.
That bad policy has a precedent doesn't make it less bad.
Blinding wanting existing laws to be enforced is retarded.
For some, in the short term, sure. Overall and in the long, it leads to higher standards of living.
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Trump helped elect Hillary and Obama; he also funded the Gang of 8. Trump created the problems he now claims he wants to solve.
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How can he be racist/Nazi if he helped elect Obama (who is not fully white)?
Can you expound on that.
Or are you saying racists/Nazis helped elect Obama?
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No, I'm saying Trump helped elect Obama.
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Trump isn't a white nationalist, he just plays one on TV.
He's a progressive Democrat who decided to run in the GOP, using rhetoric which he knew would appeal to a certain segment of that population.
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In other words, someone who lies and deceives American public helped elect Obama?
Let me know if this is not correct reading of your comment.
Wonder how many more lies and deceptions were there behind election of Obama.
Let me know if this is not correct reading of your comment.
Wonder how many more lies and deceptions were there behind election of Obama.
Wait a second, this isn't an economics argument. This is about whether not wanting their wages driven to the floor makes people racist. It doesn't.
I don't want to have the "protectionist vs free market" debate.
I will say that I've given money to Pat Buchanan in the 1990s and I gave money to Ron Paul both times, and given money to Rand Paul this year and when he ran for Senate.
And the reason I liked both of them, even though they have different ideas about "protectionism vs free market" is that it they were very convincing to me that they understood that we were definitely on the WRONG TRACK.
The World is Controlled by Evil Crooks. Is it a Protectionist solution or a Free Market solution to kill them all and take all their money? I'm guessing neither.
Free Market or Anarchy solution might have a bunch of peasants with pitchforks (that's Buchanan lingo) attacking the Monsanto HQ and killing everyone. Since there's no government to protect them, this would be easy to do.
We are nowhere near any free market, btw. The Evildoers, the Bankers, Monsanto, Big Pharma, the big Mercenary/Security Firms, they Bribe the politicians and get what they want. The new GMO labels is a QC Code, replacing the Vermont Law which required real labels.
We live in the context of everything sucking worse than ever before. Your understanding of, I dunno, Hayek, is no match for 2016 suckiness. At this point, libertarian philosophies on the ground are mostly - don't raise the minimum wage, and don't regulate monopoly/oligopoly businesses. In 2016, both ideas are bad. If everything was working great, full on free market, both of those positions would be embedded in the fabric of laws or no laws at all, but it's 2016, and our economy is nothing like a free market.
Money that I'd like to spend in the economy is taken from me by the government and spent on bombs which we drop on regular folks in the Middle East over and over again for years and years. Because I don't have that purchasing power, there is not enough money to pay average Joe on the street. The government isn't paying him to fix my car or whatever average joe does. The government gives their friends a ton of money to make things I don't want and the makers of the things I don't want
give the politicians back enough money to keep getting elected and keep giving their friends money. It really really sucks, and Hayek and the rest of the libertarian economists really don't address this contemporary oversuckiness.
I'd take out the 120 year old Sherman Anti Trust Act and break up every company out there. Tweaking isn't going to fix anything, libertarians are being used as tools by the bad guys. Yes, of course, to End the Fed.
*** it hasn't. in the long run, in a free market, it might. But we don't live in a free market. I assume everybody here took econ 101 at some point, and the first thing they do is tell you what the assumptions are. And they're all wrong. Basically, wheat farmers have a free market. Even that's not really true. When you have oliopolies, and almost everything is - the "everything will work out fine" theory of the free market - Adam Smith 1776 - is out the door.
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