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Think so? I'll believe it when I see something good come out of it.

Not that it matters to me. We've been using real ballots all along. Never stopped.
But do they count your paper ballots locally and then enter them into a central computer system?
 
But do they count your paper ballots locally and then enter them into a central computer system?

You could put it that way. They're scanned. I don't know if they're transmitted in real time or after the fact, but the results are publicly posted on the door of each precinct at the end of the day. And the paper trail remains.
 
But do they count your paper ballots locally and then enter them into a central computer system?
Irrelevant. In a case of an audit the ballots are hand counted. That happens everywhere. Of course that doesn't prevent someone from claiming the election was "stolen."


There are three types of voting equipment in place:

Hand Marked Paper Ballots 69.4%​


Paper ballots marked by hand create a tangible, tamper-evident and auditable record of voter selections. Jurisdictions in which most voters mark their votes by hand offer BMDs or DREs to provide accessibility for voters with disabilities. While some smaller jurisdictions count paper ballots by hand, most are counted initially with optical scanners, though they can also be counted manually in a post-election audit or recount. Paper ballots, whether marked by hand or through the use of an assistive device, should be carefully reviewed by the voter before casting.

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Ballot Marking Devices (BMDs) 25.7%​


A ballot marking device (BMD) or system allows for the electronic presentation of a ballot, electronic selection of valid contest options, and the production of a human-readable paper ballot, but does not make any other lasting record of the voter’s selections. BMDs were developed in response to the federal requirement in the Help America Vote Act of 2002 that all polling places must provide a means for voters with disabilities to vote privately and independently. Some BMDs mark pre-printed ballots, while others print summaries of voter selections, often with those selections encoded in barcodes or QR codes. Beginning in 2016, some jurisdictions began providing BMDs for use by all polling place voters, a model that first became widespread in 2020.

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Direct Recording Electronic (DRE) Systems 4.9%​


A direct recording electronic (DRE) voting system is a vote-capture device that allows for the electronic presentation of a ballot, electronic selection of valid contest options, and the electronic storage of voter selections as individual records. DREs use one of three user interfaces—pushbutton, touchscreen, or dial—to allow voters to record their selections directly into computer memory. Some DREs can be equipped with Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail (VVPAT) printers that allow the voter to confirm their selections on an independent paper record before recording their votes into computer memory. This paper record is preserved and, depending on state election codes, counted in the event of a post-election audit or recount.

Learn More About DREs
 
You could put it that way. They're scanned. I don't know if they're transmitted in real time or after the fact, but the results are publicly posted on the door of each precinct at the end of the day. And the paper trail remains.

It seems to me that the moment that the counting enters any computer system, the potential for manipulation is there.

Irrelevant. In a case of an audit the ballots are hand counted.

I'd be curious how often a hand-count actually occurs. I'd be especially curious if any hand counts took place in 2020 in swing states where election anomalies were alleged.

I asked Grok about the 2020 election:

Key Counties Where Election Anomaly Accusations Were Made

Accusations of "election anomalies" (e.g., voter fraud, ballot dumping, machine glitches, or irregularities) were predominantly leveled by Trump and his allies in the swing states Biden narrowly won. These claims focused on urban, Democratic-leaning counties with high mail-in/absentee vote volumes, often alleging "late-night dumps" or "statistical impossibilities." However, extensive investigations—including over 60 court cases dismissed for lack of evidence, audits, and federal reviews—found no widespread fraud sufficient to alter outcomes. The Brennan Center for Justice and Heritage Foundation databases document isolated incidents (e.g., <0.0001% of votes), but nothing systemic.

Accusations were amplified on social media and in lawsuits, often tied to:


  • Mail-in ballot surges: Due to COVID-19, swing states processed millions of absentees late (e.g., GOP legislatures in PA/MI/WI barred pre-Election Day counting).
  • Machine/voting system issues: Baseless claims against Dominion/Smartmatic in GA/AZ.
  • Statistical "anomalies": E.g., Biden outperforming bellwethers or uniform absentee patterns, debunked as normal demographic shifts.
Below are the most frequently accused counties, grouped by state, with specifics on claims and resolutions:


StateCounty (Population Center)Key AccusationsResolution/Outcome
ArizonaMaricopa (Phoenix metro; ~4.4M pop.)90% of Biden's margin from here; "ballot duplication errors" and 100K+ vote swings; Cyber Ninjas audit alleged "anomalies" like deleted files.2021 GOP-led audit confirmed Biden's win by wider margin (+360 votes); no fraud found. 4 isolated fraud cases statewide (0.0001% of votes).
GeorgiaFulton (Atlanta; ~1M pop.)"Suitcase" video of hidden ballots under tables; pipe burst delaying count; 148K "ballot dumps" at 1 a.m.; overvotes and double-scanning.State audits/hand recounts matched results; video showed standard procedure; pipe burst unrelated (no ballots damaged). 3 fraud convictions statewide.
GeorgiaDeKalb (Atlanta suburbs; ~760K pop.)Similar to Fulton: delayed reporting, alleged backdating of ballots.Recounts confirmed; no evidence of irregularities beyond normal processing.
MichiganWayne (Detroit; ~1.8M pop.)Canvassers briefly refused certification; 138K absentee "anomalies"; observer claims of unmarked ballots for Biden only.Board certified unanimously; Antrim County (not Wayne) glitch (human error) corrected, favoring Trump. <10 fraud cases statewide.
MichiganAntrim (Northern MI; ~23K pop.)Software glitch flipped initial results (Biden led briefly); alleged Dominion manipulation.Immediate fix showed Trump win; hand audit confirmed; error due to clerk mistake, not fraud.
PennsylvaniaPhiladelphia (City; ~1.6M pop.)1M+ mail ballots "dumped" overnight; poll watcher restrictions; sharp Biden spike.Normal absentee processing (GOP ban on early counting); spikes from urban Democratic strongholds. Multiple recounts upheld; 0 fraud impacting outcome.
PennsylvaniaAllegheny (Pittsburgh; ~1.2M pop.)Similar mail-in surges; claims of unsecured drop boxes.Audits showed secure processes; no evidence of tampering.
NevadaClark (Las Vegas; ~2.3M pop.)9K double-voted mail ballots; out-of-state registrations; 23% absentee return rate "anomalies."Investigations found <100 invalid votes; high turnout normal for pandemic election.
WisconsinMilwaukee (City; ~930K pop.)170K absentee "dump" at 4 a.m.; central count facility issues; 27% fraudulent requests alleged.Standard urban processing; Supreme Court rejected challenges. Audits confirmed; isolated fraud (e.g., 1 felon voting).


Summary of Hand Recounts
  • Total States with Hand Recounts: 3 (Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan)

State and County Breakdown

StateHand RecountsCounties InvolvedDetails
Arizona0 full hand recounts; 1 partial hand auditMaricopaNo statewide hand recount due to 0.3% margin exceeding AZ’s 0.1% threshold for automatic recounts. Maricopa County underwent a GOP-led Cyber Ninjas audit (2021), which included a partial hand count of ~2.1M ballots. Confirmed Biden’s win by a wider margin (+360 votes). No fraud found.
Georgia2 statewide hand recounts; 1 additional county hand auditFulton, DeKalb, CobbGA law required a risk-limiting audit due to <0.5% margin (11,779 votes). First hand recount (Nov 11-19, 2020) of ~5M ballots confirmed Biden’s lead. Second hand recount (Nov 24-Dec 2, 2020), requested by Trump, re-verified results (minor discrepancies, e.g., Floyd County’s 2,600 uncounted ballots, didn’t change outcome). Cobb County also conducted a hand audit of 15K absentee ballots; no issues. Fulton and DeKalb, accused of “ballot dumps,” had no irregularities in hand counts.
Michigan1 county hand recountAntrimNo statewide hand recount (2.8% margin too large for automatic recount). Antrim County (accused of Dominion glitches) conducted a full hand recount of ~15K ballots (Dec 2020), confirming Trump’s win after correcting a clerk error (initially showed Biden ahead). Wayne County had no hand recount; machine audits and canvassing confirmed results.
Nevada0 hand recountsClarkNo hand recounts statewide or in Clark County (2.4% margin exceeded 1% threshold for automatic recounts). Trump campaign requested a recount in Clark and Washoe but withdrew it. Audits used machine rescans, not hand counts; no fraud found.
Pennsylvania0 full hand recounts; sampled hand auditsPhiladelphia, AlleghenyPA’s 1.2% margin (80,555 votes) didn’t trigger automatic recounts (<0.5% threshold). No full hand recounts in Philadelphia or Allegheny. Both counties conducted risk-limiting audits with hand-sampled ballots (e.g., ~2% of Philadelphia’s 700K ballots), confirming machine counts. No evidence of fraud.
Wisconsin2 county hand recountsMilwaukee, DaneTrump requested partial recounts in Milwaukee and Dane counties (0.6% statewide margin allowed candidate-funded recounts). Hand recounts of ~460K ballots (Nov 20-27, 2020) confirmed Biden’s win (Milwaukee: +132 votes for Biden; Dane: +45 for Biden). No statewide hand recount; other counties used machine audits.



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So it looks like not many hand recounts actually occurred, especially in the most controversial states of Arizona, Pennsylvania and Michigan.
 
It seems to me that the moment that the counting enters any computer system, the potential for manipulation is there.

The individual precinct report posted at the end of the day helps. Most of us talk to neighbors just enough to have some clue if the numbers are unrealistic. And the paper trail is there. A hand recount is possible.
 


https://x.com/Grummz/status/1977132914690465881

This same talk got people sued and de-platformed.

You were not allowed to question the voting machines. It was a conspiracy theory, it was an attack on our democracy, etc.

Now that conservatives own the machines, look at the utter hypocrisy on display.

I'm in favor of getting rid of all machines and for a return to the greater security of paper ballots. We don't need them.

Would be really funny if this is what makes Dems finally agree to it.



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It seems to me that the moment that the counting enters any computer system, the potential for manipulation is there.



I'd be curious how often a hand-count actually occurs. I'd be especially curious if any hand counts took place in 2020 in swing states where election anomalies were alleged.

I asked Grok about the 2020 election:

Key Counties Where Election Anomaly Accusations Were Made

Accusations of "election anomalies" (e.g., voter fraud, ballot dumping, machine glitches, or irregularities) were predominantly leveled by Trump and his allies in the swing states Biden narrowly won. These claims focused on urban, Democratic-leaning counties with high mail-in/absentee vote volumes, often alleging "late-night dumps" or "statistical impossibilities." However, extensive investigations—including over 60 court cases dismissed for lack of evidence, audits, and federal reviews—found no widespread fraud sufficient to alter outcomes. The Brennan Center for Justice and Heritage Foundation databases document isolated incidents (e.g., <0.0001% of votes), but nothing systemic.

Accusations were amplified on social media and in lawsuits, often tied to:



  • Mail-in ballot surges: Due to COVID-19, swing states processed millions of absentees late (e.g., GOP legislatures in PA/MI/WI barred pre-Election Day counting).
  • Machine/voting system issues: Baseless claims against Dominion/Smartmatic in GA/AZ.
  • Statistical "anomalies": E.g., Biden outperforming bellwethers or uniform absentee patterns, debunked as normal demographic shifts.
Below are the most frequently accused counties, grouped by state, with specifics on claims and resolutions:


StateCounty (Population Center)Key AccusationsResolution/Outcome
ArizonaMaricopa (Phoenix metro; ~4.4M pop.)90% of Biden's margin from here; "ballot duplication errors" and 100K+ vote swings; Cyber Ninjas audit alleged "anomalies" like deleted files.2021 GOP-led audit confirmed Biden's win by wider margin (+360 votes); no fraud found. 4 isolated fraud cases statewide (0.0001% of votes).
GeorgiaFulton (Atlanta; ~1M pop.)"Suitcase" video of hidden ballots under tables; pipe burst delaying count; 148K "ballot dumps" at 1 a.m.; overvotes and double-scanning.State audits/hand recounts matched results; video showed standard procedure; pipe burst unrelated (no ballots damaged). 3 fraud convictions statewide.
GeorgiaDeKalb (Atlanta suburbs; ~760K pop.)Similar to Fulton: delayed reporting, alleged backdating of ballots.Recounts confirmed; no evidence of irregularities beyond normal processing.
MichiganWayne (Detroit; ~1.8M pop.)Canvassers briefly refused certification; 138K absentee "anomalies"; observer claims of unmarked ballots for Biden only.Board certified unanimously; Antrim County (not Wayne) glitch (human error) corrected, favoring Trump. <10 fraud cases statewide.
MichiganAntrim (Northern MI; ~23K pop.)Software glitch flipped initial results (Biden led briefly); alleged Dominion manipulation.Immediate fix showed Trump win; hand audit confirmed; error due to clerk mistake, not fraud.
PennsylvaniaPhiladelphia (City; ~1.6M pop.)1M+ mail ballots "dumped" overnight; poll watcher restrictions; sharp Biden spike.Normal absentee processing (GOP ban on early counting); spikes from urban Democratic strongholds. Multiple recounts upheld; 0 fraud impacting outcome.
PennsylvaniaAllegheny (Pittsburgh; ~1.2M pop.)Similar mail-in surges; claims of unsecured drop boxes.Audits showed secure processes; no evidence of tampering.
NevadaClark (Las Vegas; ~2.3M pop.)9K double-voted mail ballots; out-of-state registrations; 23% absentee return rate "anomalies."Investigations found <100 invalid votes; high turnout normal for pandemic election.
WisconsinMilwaukee (City; ~930K pop.)170K absentee "dump" at 4 a.m.; central count facility issues; 27% fraudulent requests alleged.Standard urban processing; Supreme Court rejected challenges. Audits confirmed; isolated fraud (e.g., 1 felon voting).


Summary of Hand Recounts
  • Total States with Hand Recounts: 3 (Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan)

State and County Breakdown

StateHand RecountsCounties InvolvedDetails
Arizona0 full hand recounts; 1 partial hand auditMaricopaNo statewide hand recount due to 0.3% margin exceeding AZ’s 0.1% threshold for automatic recounts. Maricopa County underwent a GOP-led Cyber Ninjas audit (2021), which included a partial hand count of ~2.1M ballots. Confirmed Biden’s win by a wider margin (+360 votes). No fraud found.
Georgia2 statewide hand recounts; 1 additional county hand auditFulton, DeKalb, CobbGA law required a risk-limiting audit due to <0.5% margin (11,779 votes). First hand recount (Nov 11-19, 2020) of ~5M ballots confirmed Biden’s lead. Second hand recount (Nov 24-Dec 2, 2020), requested by Trump, re-verified results (minor discrepancies, e.g., Floyd County’s 2,600 uncounted ballots, didn’t change outcome). Cobb County also conducted a hand audit of 15K absentee ballots; no issues. Fulton and DeKalb, accused of “ballot dumps,” had no irregularities in hand counts.
Michigan1 county hand recountAntrimNo statewide hand recount (2.8% margin too large for automatic recount). Antrim County (accused of Dominion glitches) conducted a full hand recount of ~15K ballots (Dec 2020), confirming Trump’s win after correcting a clerk error (initially showed Biden ahead). Wayne County had no hand recount; machine audits and canvassing confirmed results.
Nevada0 hand recountsClarkNo hand recounts statewide or in Clark County (2.4% margin exceeded 1% threshold for automatic recounts). Trump campaign requested a recount in Clark and Washoe but withdrew it. Audits used machine rescans, not hand counts; no fraud found.
Pennsylvania0 full hand recounts; sampled hand auditsPhiladelphia, AlleghenyPA’s 1.2% margin (80,555 votes) didn’t trigger automatic recounts (<0.5% threshold). No full hand recounts in Philadelphia or Allegheny. Both counties conducted risk-limiting audits with hand-sampled ballots (e.g., ~2% of Philadelphia’s 700K ballots), confirming machine counts. No evidence of fraud.
Wisconsin2 county hand recountsMilwaukee, DaneTrump requested partial recounts in Milwaukee and Dane counties (0.6% statewide margin allowed candidate-funded recounts). Hand recounts of ~460K ballots (Nov 20-27, 2020) confirmed Biden’s win (Milwaukee: +132 votes for Biden; Dane: +45 for Biden). No statewide hand recount; other counties used machine audits.



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So it looks like not many hand recounts actually occurred, especially in the most controversial states of Arizona, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

It seems to me that the moment that the counting enters any computer system, the potential for manipulation is there.



I'd be curious how often a hand-count actually occurs. I'd be especially curious if any hand counts took place in 2020 in swing states where election anomalies were alleged.

I asked Grok about the 2020 election:

Key Counties Where Election Anomaly Accusations Were Made

Accusations of "election anomalies" (e.g., voter fraud, ballot dumping, machine glitches, or irregularities) were predominantly leveled by Trump and his allies in the swing states Biden narrowly won. These claims focused on urban, Democratic-leaning counties with high mail-in/absentee vote volumes, often alleging "late-night dumps" or "statistical impossibilities." However, extensive investigations—including over 60 court cases dismissed for lack of evidence, audits, and federal reviews—found no widespread fraud sufficient to alter outcomes. The Brennan Center for Justice and Heritage Foundation databases document isolated incidents (e.g., <0.0001% of votes), but nothing systemic.

Accusations were amplified on social media and in lawsuits, often tied to:



  • Mail-in ballot surges: Due to COVID-19, swing states processed millions of absentees late (e.g., GOP legislatures in PA/MI/WI barred pre-Election Day counting).
  • Machine/voting system issues: Baseless claims against Dominion/Smartmatic in GA/AZ.
  • Statistical "anomalies": E.g., Biden outperforming bellwethers or uniform absentee patterns, debunked as normal demographic shifts.
Below are the most frequently accused counties, grouped by state, with specifics on claims and resolutions:


StateCounty (Population Center)Key AccusationsResolution/Outcome
ArizonaMaricopa (Phoenix metro; ~4.4M pop.)90% of Biden's margin from here; "ballot duplication errors" and 100K+ vote swings; Cyber Ninjas audit alleged "anomalies" like deleted files.2021 GOP-led audit confirmed Biden's win by wider margin (+360 votes); no fraud found. 4 isolated fraud cases statewide (0.0001% of votes).
GeorgiaFulton (Atlanta; ~1M pop.)"Suitcase" video of hidden ballots under tables; pipe burst delaying count; 148K "ballot dumps" at 1 a.m.; overvotes and double-scanning.State audits/hand recounts matched results; video showed standard procedure; pipe burst unrelated (no ballots damaged). 3 fraud convictions statewide.
GeorgiaDeKalb (Atlanta suburbs; ~760K pop.)Similar to Fulton: delayed reporting, alleged backdating of ballots.Recounts confirmed; no evidence of irregularities beyond normal processing.
MichiganWayne (Detroit; ~1.8M pop.)Canvassers briefly refused certification; 138K absentee "anomalies"; observer claims of unmarked ballots for Biden only.Board certified unanimously; Antrim County (not Wayne) glitch (human error) corrected, favoring Trump. <10 fraud cases statewide.
MichiganAntrim (Northern MI; ~23K pop.)Software glitch flipped initial results (Biden led briefly); alleged Dominion manipulation.Immediate fix showed Trump win; hand audit confirmed; error due to clerk mistake, not fraud.
PennsylvaniaPhiladelphia (City; ~1.6M pop.)1M+ mail ballots "dumped" overnight; poll watcher restrictions; sharp Biden spike.Normal absentee processing (GOP ban on early counting); spikes from urban Democratic strongholds. Multiple recounts upheld; 0 fraud impacting outcome.
PennsylvaniaAllegheny (Pittsburgh; ~1.2M pop.)Similar mail-in surges; claims of unsecured drop boxes.Audits showed secure processes; no evidence of tampering.
NevadaClark (Las Vegas; ~2.3M pop.)9K double-voted mail ballots; out-of-state registrations; 23% absentee return rate "anomalies."Investigations found <100 invalid votes; high turnout normal for pandemic election.
WisconsinMilwaukee (City; ~930K pop.)170K absentee "dump" at 4 a.m.; central count facility issues; 27% fraudulent requests alleged.Standard urban processing; Supreme Court rejected challenges. Audits confirmed; isolated fraud (e.g., 1 felon voting).


Summary of Hand Recounts
  • Total States with Hand Recounts: 3 (Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan)

State and County Breakdown

StateHand RecountsCounties InvolvedDetails
Arizona0 full hand recounts; 1 partial hand auditMaricopaNo statewide hand recount due to 0.3% margin exceeding AZ’s 0.1% threshold for automatic recounts. Maricopa County underwent a GOP-led Cyber Ninjas audit (2021), which included a partial hand count of ~2.1M ballots. Confirmed Biden’s win by a wider margin (+360 votes). No fraud found.
Georgia2 statewide hand recounts; 1 additional county hand auditFulton, DeKalb, CobbGA law required a risk-limiting audit due to <0.5% margin (11,779 votes). First hand recount (Nov 11-19, 2020) of ~5M ballots confirmed Biden’s lead. Second hand recount (Nov 24-Dec 2, 2020), requested by Trump, re-verified results (minor discrepancies, e.g., Floyd County’s 2,600 uncounted ballots, didn’t change outcome). Cobb County also conducted a hand audit of 15K absentee ballots; no issues. Fulton and DeKalb, accused of “ballot dumps,” had no irregularities in hand counts.
Michigan1 county hand recountAntrimNo statewide hand recount (2.8% margin too large for automatic recount). Antrim County (accused of Dominion glitches) conducted a full hand recount of ~15K ballots (Dec 2020), confirming Trump’s win after correcting a clerk error (initially showed Biden ahead). Wayne County had no hand recount; machine audits and canvassing confirmed results.
Nevada0 hand recountsClarkNo hand recounts statewide or in Clark County (2.4% margin exceeded 1% threshold for automatic recounts). Trump campaign requested a recount in Clark and Washoe but withdrew it. Audits used machine rescans, not hand counts; no fraud found.
Pennsylvania0 full hand recounts; sampled hand auditsPhiladelphia, AlleghenyPA’s 1.2% margin (80,555 votes) didn’t trigger automatic recounts (<0.5% threshold). No full hand recounts in Philadelphia or Allegheny. Both counties conducted risk-limiting audits with hand-sampled ballots (e.g., ~2% of Philadelphia’s 700K ballots), confirming machine counts. No evidence of fraud.
Wisconsin2 county hand recountsMilwaukee, DaneTrump requested partial recounts in Milwaukee and Dane counties (0.6% statewide margin allowed candidate-funded recounts). Hand recounts of ~460K ballots (Nov 20-27, 2020) confirmed Biden’s win (Milwaukee: +132 votes for Biden; Dane: +45 for Biden). No statewide hand recount; other counties used machine audits.



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So it looks like not many hand recounts actually occurred, especially in the most controversial states of Arizona, Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Okay. So hand counts didn't happen everywhere but the could have happened everywhere. That's a function of state law, not the voting machine company. Also I noticed that the biggest discrepancy discovered was in Republican controlled Georgia. What Trump cheated by Republicans in 2020? Unlikely, but let's say that he was. Then is it really helpful for there to be Republican control of the voting machines? It would be so ironic if Thomas Massie or Rand Paul lost their primaries from anomalies in Republican voting machines.
 


https://x.com/Grummz/status/1977132914690465881

This same talk got people sued and de-platformed.

You were not allowed to question the voting machines. It was a conspiracy theory, it was an attack on our democracy, etc.

Now that conservatives own the machines, look at the utter hypocrisy on display.

I'm in favor of getting rid of all machines and for a return to the greater security of paper ballots. We don't need them.

Would be really funny if this is what makes Dems finally agree to it.



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That's one way to look at it. The other is that the same people who cheated Ron Paul in the Republican primaries in 2008 and 2012 will have the power to really stick it to Rand Paul and Thomas Massie in their upcoming primaries.
 
RE: Dominion Sold, Promising Real Ballots.

It doesn't matter.


The Illusion of Choice


The RNC and DNC Do Not Represent “Voters”, They Represent the Interests of Their Private Corporations

When it comes to the private corporations in American politics known as the Republican National Committee (RNC) and the Democrat National Committee (DNC), there is a common misconception that the corporations represent the voters, they do not.

The RNC and DNC corporations represent their interests, which are not necessarily in alignment with the interests of the unpaid voluntary participants, the voters. As a consequence, when a lawyer is hired by the RNC they are not representing the candidate or voter, they are representing the interests of the corporation. A big difference.

Legal success is found in representing the interest of the RNC, not the candidate. Once, that success is achieved, the legal team move to the next objective as instructed by the corporation.

There are two private corporations representing Republicans and Democrats; they are most commonly referred to as political parties. There is no basis for the existence of private political parties in the United States constitution. Both parties’ function from a position as private interests outside the framework of government.

What we commonly refer to as ‘politicians’ are selected representatives to the government from each of the corporations. What we commonly refer to as ‘primary elections’ are suggestions to each of the corporations from citizens expressing their preference for the representative. The corporation can individually choose to accept or decline the suggestion from the voters, and the only thing that binds the corporation to follow the suggestion are the corporate rules.

The corporation of the RNC and DNC exist to serve their own interests.

This facet to U.S. politics is rarely discussed because the corporations and the people who run them do not want this process emphasized.





DNC to Court: We Are a Private Corporation With No Obligation to Follow Our Rules

A federal judge dismissed the DNC lawsuit on August 28. The court recognized that the DNC treated voters unfairly, but ruled that the DNC is a private corporation; therefore, voters cannot protect their rights by turning to the courts:

"To the extent Plaintiffs wish to air their general grievances with the DNC or its candidate selection process, their redress is through the ballot box, the DNC's internal workings, or their right of free speech — not through the judiciary."

Rather than reflecting on the consternation everyday voters are having over the conduct of the Democratic presidential primary, the Democratic National Committee is doubling down on the assertion that the primary election belongs to the people who control the party -- not voters.

In the transcript for last week's hearing in Wilding, et. al. v. DNC Services, d/b/a DNC and Deborah “Debbie” Wasserman Schultz, released Friday, DNC attorneys assert that the party has every right to favor one candidate or another, despite their party rules that state otherwise because, after all, they are a private corporation and they can change their rules if they want.


 
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That's one way to look at it. The other is that the same people who cheated Ron Paul in the Republican primaries in 2008 and 2012 will have the power to really stick it to Rand Paul and Thomas Massie in their upcoming primaries.

 
That's one way to look at it. The other is that the same people who cheated Ron Paul in the Republican primaries in 2008 and 2012 will have the power to really stick it to Rand Paul and Thomas Massie in their upcoming primaries.
Nah, I was told these machines were incapable of being rigged and there's nothing to worry about.
 
Nah, I was told these machines were incapable of being rigged and there's nothing to worry about.
I don't know who said that. What I was told is that the Trump campaign never was even willing or able to give allies like Tucker Carlson evidence of voter fraud significant enough to sway an election.
 
I'm confused why Democrats would be up in arms over this. They've told us for years voting machines are perfectly fine. Why the sudden change of heart? The only logical reason I can see them acting like this is because they think Trump is trying to steal the 2026 and 2028 elections.
 
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I don't know who said that. What I was told is that the Trump campaign never was even willing or able to give allies like Tucker Carlson evidence of voter fraud significant enough to sway an election.

Pretty much everyone said the machines were incapable of being rigged, because we have so many election laws in place to prevent it

Which would be a pretty strong argument, except for the fact that the election laws were being broken repeatedly, systematically, obviously, and without consequence.

Shrug :shrugging:
 
Ron Paul: "The more authoritarian the government is the more they want the vote to be 100%."
 
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