doesnt paul owe supporters an independent run?

[ArrestPoliticians]

The GOP convention in 2004 was a vulgar display of the police state. If you think for one minute the GOP gives a fuck about you or our movement or Dr. Paul, you're the one who hasn't been around long enough.

They've done everything they could to make sure he has no shot, they don't care about giving it to Hillary at all.

I'll write Dr. Paul in if I have to but there's NO WAY I'll support McCain

We're not looking for a GOP-appointed presidency. We're taking over Congress.

 

[Carole]

Dr. Paul owes us nothing. He has given and is giving everything he can to the cause of Liberty, Peace, and Prosperity, and a return to Constitutional government for all of us.

Considering he has been doing it for thirty years or more, I would say NO he does not owe us, We Owe Him.

Independent runs get nowhere. We have never in this country succeeded with third party runs. They are marginalized. Dr. Paul is wise and correct that the best way to get his message out is to remain in the Republican party where at least there is some recognition.

One day the two party system will die, but it won't be soon.

 

[newnews]

We're not looking for a GOP-appointed presidency. We're taking over Congress.

And how long is that going to take?

 

[newnews]

I'm all in favor of it, but we need to get this in action THIS YEAR

as we all know , time is not on our side here

 

[icon124]

I would LOVE for Dr. Paul to run Independent, and as a college student I would even max out with 2,300 supporting the Indy run....but at the same time it is 100% completely his choice, if he doesn't want to run then so be it....he still is a wonderful man, and a true inspiration to me and everything I believe in....and he is the reason I will continue to fight on

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

And how long is that going to take?

Well, we'll have a shot at seats every two years... NOT TOO LONG as long as we are diligent.

 

[Sarah]

He owes us nothing...how about what we owe him for bringing this all about.

 

[Liberty Star]

Republican party has faltered, sometimes you have to step out of the boat to save it. Besides, saving the country is more important than a party.

Ron Paul run as Independent would be a great idea imo. There is plenty of time for Ron Paul's message to spread and find more support. This will also send a strong message to Republican party and Ron Paul will remain in the news and make more news headlines, his message will stay very much alive and more Americans not happy with the choices avilable will gravitate towards it.

 

[Sauron]

No need for Paul to go Indy until after the convention if he doesn't at least get VP from McCain.

 

[Liberty Star]

No need for Paul to go Indy until after the convention if he doesn't at least get VP from McCain.

McCain is not going to offer VP to Ron Paul. By Convention time, momentum could be lost. As independent, RP can run a lean, mean insurgent campaign for next eight months. Much of it is grass roots driven , so it won't need too much money.

 

[tomveil]

No, but if he's up for it in 2012, he may owe us another GOP run.

 

[Joe3113]

No, but if he's up for it in 2012, he may owe us another GOP run.

He'll be running for President of the North American Union by then mate.

 

[born2drv]

The only thing he "OWES" us is leadership to keep this movement alive. I'm glad this does not include an indy/3p run. I hope he leads us to taking over the GOP in congress 1 seat at a time.

 

[Revolution9]

He'll be running for President of the North American Union by then mate.

Not if he stays in power. One way or another. Chances are he may be more powerful sitting in Congress and lambasting the seated Presidents agenda and filling the seats around him with RP republicans. 2012 will be a landslide.

Randy

 

[Feelgood]

Mods: PLEASE do something about the defeatist trolls!

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Granted, my ignore list has an unlimited capacity, and I can keep adding to it. However, Mods, do you think you can put up a sticky asking those with defeatist mentalities to keep their comments to themselves? PLEASE?

There is NOT going to be a third party or independent run! Get over it, all you non-real Ron Paul supporters. Obviously you guys are posers. No real supporter would keep calling for that which Ron himself doesnt even want. GO AWAY!!!!

 

[colecrowe]

If he declared that he was running iNDY (on March 4th or whenever) we and hundreds of thousands of others would give him the goddamned mother fucking money!

So..your agenda s to scuttle the cash train until he doesn't annunce a third party run. This sounds rather trollish to me. Yer basiically encouraging people to not give money unless he runs independent. Shut up and go to the campaign site and donate. If this was a dojo I would make you stand in horse stance for eight hours with a bambpoo spike near your rectum just to show you what patience and endurance were all about.

HTH
Randy

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I admit, and am happy to do so: There is no reason to think we need to go iNDY until we see what happens between now and March 4th. He MIGHT start stomping McCain based on low voter turnout due to apathy since the media has 110% called it for McCain, and based on how horrible a choice McCain is and how much he is getting lambasted in on the air and in print, and at the 'watercooler'. Especially as Iraq of course continues blowing up and the economy gets worse. Here is my proof:

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But after March 4th...

I'm out if in a month's time he continues to win 0 states and still has less than 15% support and yet refuses to go iNDY (I'll still write him in and spread the word, make calls, etc., but I probably won't donate anymore, and I'll be very sad).

Well, I can safely say...if donations dry up....Paul will be forced to call it quits, so please continue to DONATE.

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my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run.

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[colecrowe]

So..your agenda s to scuttle the cash train until he doesn't annunce a third party run. This sounds rather trollish to me. Yer basiically encouraging people to not give money unless he runs independent. Shut up and go to the campaign site and donate. If this was a dojo I would make you stand in horse stance for eight hours with a bambpoo spike near your rectum just to show you what patience and endurance were all about.

HTH
Randy

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[cien750hp]

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Granted, my ignore list has an unlimited capacity, and I can keep adding to it. However, Mods, do you think you can put up a sticky asking those with defeatist mentalities to keep their comments to themselves? PLEASE?

There is NOT going to be a third party or independent run! Get over it, all you non-real Ron Paul supporters. Obviously you guys are posers. No real supporter would keep calling for that which Ron himself doesnt even want. GO AWAY!!!!

i said i would never give up on the message no matter what, ever.
the message is something you will carry for life.

this guy apparently thinks that thinking an independent run is a good idea is defeatist though. which is strange, because
1. you have an african american and a woman as the top two presidential candidates. but according to past elections they are unelectable.. so you think they cant win now? why shouldnt an independent be able to get in there too?
2. ron paul was reluctant to get into this race at all to begin with. he has ignited a wildfire revolution that can never be extinguished. now he is reluctant to leave the republican party, which i understand. i just think we need to encourage him some more.

 

[icon124]

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[Vox Populi]

So..your agenda s to scuttle the cash train until he doesn't annunce a third party run. This sounds rather trollish to me. Yer basiically encouraging people to not give money unless he runs independent. Shut up and go to the campaign site and donate. If this was a dojo I would make you stand in horse stance for eight hours with a bambpoo spike near your rectum just to show you what patience and endurance were all about.

HTH
Randy

Look here! I'd stand toe to toe with you any day. The GOP run is over (straight from Dr. Paul's mouth). It is time to go Indy or bust.