Does Ron want us to leave the GOP?

[ninepointfive]

I encourage anyone who doesn't want to work within the GOP to go out and do whatever you feel will be the most effective.
I encourage Matt and anyone else who wants to continue to work within the GOP to continue to do so. And I also encourage Matt to STFU.

Matt, you are so very wrong on this appeal to central authority and somehow insisting wars cannot be fought on many fronts. I imagine you're just worried about fading away into obscurity, which you won't - just hang out with the other politicos and have the respect for other people who want to take different avenues.


This thread will continue to feed Matt's ego - you can tell by his history that he thrives off of negative energy.

 

[No1butPaul]

Is this a trick question? Everyone here knows (or should know) Ron Paul wants us to do what WE want to do.

As for himself, here's one interpretation of his statement today that the GOP was not his party:

http://www.examiner.com/article/ron...esian-fiscally-irresponsible-republican-party

ADD - Ron's on Leno Sept 4th and supposedly has an announcement. I will GUARANTEE he is NOT going to endorse Mitts off R$. He MAY endorse Johnson. We shall see.

 

[aclove]

My two cents is that Ron doesn't have much of a preference on how we're registered to vote, so long as we keep doing SOMEthing to spread the message of free markets, sound money, and noninterventionism.

John Tate, Deb Hopper, Mike Rothfeld, and Jesse Benton, on the other hand, definitely want us to stay in the GOP. Their strategic arguments do carry weight, in my opinion, but that's still not the same as Ron himself making a case to stay Republican.

 

[Todd]

I'm ready to get Lindsey Graham out of office in 2014. every damn one of you better be here to help me too.

for motivation. XD

I don't even live in that district or that state and I'd contribute money to get him out.

 

[No1butPaul]

Their guy will always win...it would be futile.

Matt, the fact that you would take away from my reputation because you "don't welcome" my "defeatism" w/respect to the GOP tells me you are seriously misguided. I don't welcome boots on my neck.

 

[Occam's Banana]

John Tate, Deb Hopper, Mike Rothfeld, and Jesse Benton, on the other hand, definitely want us to stay in the GOP.

I don't know enough (or anything) about those others you mention, but as far as Benton goes, I have recently come to the conclusion that he could not care less whether we stay in the GOP. Just the opposite, in fact.

He seems far more interested in igratiating himself with the Establishment - and we "fringe" people are "bad news."

 

[Matt Collins]

There's no reason we can't take other avenues as well.

Why lose focus and dilute our efforts? We must present a cohesive and unifed front!

 

[Matt Collins]

Success is great..until it's stolen from you right in front of your nose and you refuse to acknowledge that you were a willing participant in the robbery by associating with the thief in the first place.

Not when the robbers have a monopoly and you have no choice.

 

[Matt Collins]

Waste $50+ million between two campaigns, and get less votes than Rick Santorum?

We got more delegates than Santorum I believe.

 

[Matt Collins]

dead wrong on the two party system in this country. It needs to be destroyed just like the Fed.

Except that history shows this just isn't going to happen; the US has always had a 2 party system and likely always will.

 

[Matt Collins]

Well, Matt, I'm afraid a goodly portion of us no longer give a fuck about the Republican party; further, I'd venture to guess that there will be more than one other person down at the courthouse tomorrow when I go down there to tear up my voter registration card that indicates I am a registered Republican.

So, no. I don't care what Ron Paul thinks, and tonight, I doubt he'd care too much about whether or not his supporters remain registered Republicans and support Robamney.

Can I get a witness?

That is not productive and accomplishes nothing. Do you want to fight for liberty, or bitch and moan about how bad the Republicans are?

 

[Matt Collins]

Take over both parties.Go where you feel happiest.

That doesn't help, we need a unified front and cohesion!

 

[Matt Collins]

This movement has invested five years of work into the GOP, some have been working even longer than that. Since 2008 we have increased Ron's delegate count by nearly 5x. Do that again in 2016 with an additional bump of having a more liked candidate in Rand Paul and we can have a liberty candidate win the nomination in 2016.

We have 5x the army that we started with, if we all stay involved and work at it, we can accomplish what we worked so hard for (with Matt's incredible help) here in Minnesota on a national scale. Its doable but we all most stay involved and work. If we leave, drones will just replace us and the GOP will continue to exist as their policies become worse and worse.

Let's work to bring back those who left for the Libertarian, Constitution, and other third parties. Instead of further fracturing our movement we worked so hard to build, lets change the RNC leadership. Win over your local and state parties, win the National Committee man and woman seats. Let's replace Priebus in 2013, change the rules in 2014, and win in 2016. We've worked so hard lets not give up yet. Step up from your computers and work with good local liberty candidates in the meantime, step up if you don't see other liberty loving Americans doing so. Lets take back our cities, our counties, our states, and finally our nation.

Thanks Camden!

 

[Matt Collins]

Judging from Ron's history, we should all leave the GOP and then skewer all its golden cows on our way out.

There is a reason Ron came right back to the Republican Party. Why do you think that is?

He wants us to stay. He tried the third party route and abandoned it. He realized that the LP is a massive flop ....

Ron Paul has accomplished more within the GOP in five years than the LP has accomplished in four decades of existence.

Yep, very true.

 

[Maltheus]

We got more delegates than Santorum I believe.

Here in Colorado, Matt Holdridge got more Santorum delegates elected than Ron Paul delegates (by putting them on the slate and telling people not to vote the the actual RP delegates). And then he constantly inflated our numbers to include those Santorum delegates as our own (when in fact, we only had 6). This is why everyone "thought" we might contribute to the plurality, but was in fact, more CFL bullshit. Of course, all but two of them voted for Romney (with the other two abstaining).

 

[Travlyr]

That doesn't help, we need a unified front and cohesion!

How does that not help? If we have Republicans & Democrats working together for the liberty movement, it seems like we would be a united front.

 

[Carlybee]

If you want to stay in the GOP..stay....if you don't....don't. That's the only true liberty position. Being the borg just alienates people.

 

[Matt Collins]

I want nothing to do with the normal republican platform of religious rule.

The GOP, like any organization, is what you make of it. In MN and IA, it is run by Ron Paul supporters. Check out other State Parties too, many of them have big RP influence in them.

 

[Matt Collins]

They will change the rules and cheat as they go to suit their needs.

Not if we outnumber them like in Iowa and Minnesota, and a few other places. In some areas WE are the establishment!

Not only will people leave the GOP, they just may leave politics period.

That would be very foolish to do; just because you aren't doing politics, politics is still doing you!

 

[Peace&Freedom]

That doesn't help, we need a unified front and cohesion!

But that presumes the GOP is where we should be "unified," which begs the question. The grassroots, independents, LP, etc do NOT accept the default notion that the Republican party is the optimal center of the universe for this "unified" front. It sounds like "unity" is a euphemism for "let's do it within the GOP," unless you're open for alternate expressions of unity. For example, why not work to bring warriors trapped within the Republican tyrannies exposed this week out from their big party dependency, and unify with the grassroots independent of a party structure?

The accomplishments of Paul in the last five years is attributable to the seeding of the population for decades with liberty ideas by Paul himself, and the Libertarian party and movement. The GOP certainly did not do that seeding, hence it is not responsible for the harvest. The movement's origin, growth and momentum has been a grassroots driven phenomenon, battling active resistance from the native Republican infrastructure, all along the way. The grassroots, and Paul, get the credit for its success, not the GOP.