Does Free Trade Destroy Jobs?

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"Free Trade Destroys Jobs"
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/gary-north/does-free-trade-destroy-jobs/
Gary North (16 December 2014)

One of the most popular arguments among America’s anti-free trade non-economists is this one: free trade destroys American jobs. We need to think through the implications of this argument.

The case for voluntary exchange has nothing to do with the question of the number of jobs that voluntary trade is supposed to create, or not create, or even destroy. The case for voluntary exchange is based on the case for economic liberty. It is based on the idea that two individuals who want to better their condition have a legal right to make an exchange which each of them believes will improve his situation.

When two Americans, or two residents of any nation, get together to make an exchange, neither of them is thinking this: “Is my decision going to increase the number of jobs in the nation?”

Buyers do not worry about how many people will still be employed by the seller tomorrow, next week, or next year. Buyers want a good deal, and a particular seller offers the best deal available. Buyers do not care that the seller has fired half his workforce and has bought a robot in order to get his costs down, thereby being able to make better offers to buyers. Anyone who thinks that buyers should care about how many workers are employed by the seller does not understand economics, and clearly does not understand human nature.

No seller comes into the marketplace with this sign: “Pay more for my products, so that I can employ more workers.” Well, this is not quite true. There are certain companies that sell imported coffee that attempt to charge higher prices for the coffee because they pay coffee employees in Third World nations higher wages. But you have never heard of these coffee companies. Hardly anybody buys coffee from them. The number of people they employ is so small, because the amount of coffee they sell is so small, that their sales offer is not worth considering.

Let’s say that a buyer has a choice between two sellers. One of the sellers has made a manufacturing breakthrough, and has been able to fire half of his workers. He now offers a substantial price reduction to buyers. The buyers are going to pay no attention to the fact that the other seller, who did not make the same breakthrough, and who has to pay twice as many workers, is unable to meet the price of the innovative seller. The buyer is going to buy from the innovative seller who is selling the product at a substantially lower price.

Some of the non-economists who are anti-free trade do not like this, because they are members of labor unions. Labor unions have seen their membership fall, decade after decade, over the last 60 years, as a direct result of innovative manufacturing technology. Conservatives have rejoiced; labor union members have groused.

Why, then, do we find these same conservatives, who were happy to see the unions shrink in numbers and influence, rush to the political barricades alongside of union members, and demand that Congress impose high sales taxes on imported goods? What convinced them to switch sides? What convinced them that saving jobs is the be-all and end-all for voluntary exchange in this unique case?

This is one more sign that the non-economists who hate free trade are not economists. They do not understand economics. They do not understand that the case for free trade is based on two individuals who want to make an exchange. If the two bargainers were on the same side of the national border, the non-economist conservatives would say nothing. But when the two are on opposite sides of the national border, the non-economist conservatives join with trade union members, demanding that Congress do something to stop the exchange.

Conservatives who don’t like labor unions cheer when buyers purchase goods and services from sellers whose companies are not unionized. They recognize that the consumer, meaning the buyer, is better served by a lower price than he is by a large number of labor union workers on the floor, whose above-market salary jobs are protected by the National Labor Relations Board. Yet these same conservatives demand that Congress not permit the same kind of exchange, if one of the buyers is on the other side of the national border. The conservatives now adopt the rhetoric of the labor union movement. They call into question the legality of the exchange, specifically because the exchange will not lead to more jobs on the American side of the border.

This is what Ludwig von Mises called polylogism. This is the intellectual inability to apply the same economic reasoning across an invisible line call a national border. This marks the schizophrenia of the conservative movement. This is one more example of the fact the conservatives cannot think straight. They cannot apply the same logic on two sides of an invisible line called a national border.

The case for free trade should be made in terms of personal liberty. Anyone who raises the issue of the number of jobs lost because of free trade has abandoned economics, has abandoned the case for liberty, and has abandoned the idea that buyers like good deals and should be allowed to negotiate them. The person has demonstrated in full public view that he cannot think straight. He cannot apply the logic of free-market liberty on two sides of an invisible line.

Ignore him.
 
When two Americans, or two residents of any nation, get together to make an exchange, neither of them is thinking this: “Is my decision going to increase the number of jobs in the nation?”

Buyers do not worry about how many people will still be employed by the seller tomorrow, next week, or next year. Buyers want a good deal, and a particular seller offers the best deal available. Buyers do not care that the seller has fired half his workforce and has bought a robot in order to get his costs down, thereby being able to make better offers to buyers. Anyone who thinks that buyers should care about how many workers are employed by the seller does not understand economics, and clearly does not understand human nature.

Clearly, Austrian economics is hindered by the number of pompous asses who come down from on high to pontificate to the lesser beings on the planet.

The good part about Austrian economics is the acknowledgment that situations are far too complex for anyone to fully understand, control or predict.

The bad part about Austrian economics is the so-called experts on the subject who tell us they have a simple explanation or solution for everything, and everyone else is an idiot.
 
When two Americans, or two residents of any nation, get together to make an exchange, neither of them is thinking this: “Is my decision going to increase the number of jobs in the nation?”

Buyers do not worry about how many people will still be employed by the seller tomorrow, next week, or next year. Buyers want a good deal, and a particular seller offers the best deal available. Buyers do not care that the seller has fired half his workforce and has bought a robot in order to get his costs down, thereby being able to make better offers to buyers. Anyone who thinks that buyers should care about how many workers are employed by the seller does not understand economics, and clearly does not understand human nature.
Clearly, Austrian economics is hindered by the number of pompous asses who come down from on high to pontificate to the lesser beings on the planet.

The good part about Austrian economics is the acknowledgment that situations are far too complex for anyone to fully understand, control or predict.

The bad part about Austrian economics is the so-called experts on the subject who tell us they have a simple explanation or solution for everything, and everyone else is an idiot.

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So what was incorrect about his explanation? (As far as I can tell, he didn't offer any "solution" - "simple" or otherwise - for anything, let alone "everything.")

In particular, regarding the bit you bolded, what in human nature would lead us to conclude "that buyers should care about how many workers are employed by the seller" ... ?
 
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So what was incorrect about his explanation? (As far as I can tell, he didn't offer any "solution" - "simple" or otherwise - for anything, let alone "everything.")

In particular, regarding the bit you bolded, what in human nature would lead us to conclude "that buyers should care about how many workers are employed by the seller" ... ?

Was watching another video earlier that was using some of the same logic. "Buyers want a good deal" is an example of a dogma that says that everything revolves around price. Any other considerations would mean that someone "does not understand economics, and clearly does not understand human nature."

Some people do care about jobs and how a product is produced. There are people who want to "buy local", especially when it comes to food. There are people who want to buy "made in the USA". There are people who want to buy from a producer that they have some other connection to, such as a family member who works there.

In the real world at the hiring level, wages and skill levels are not always the biggest factor, and often they are not a factor at all. For example, someone doing the hiring may want to hire their neighbor or cousin. The price (wage) is already set, and there is no great evaluation as to skill levels. It's a personal decision. It's "human nature".
 
Was watching another video earlier that was using some of the same logic. "Buyers want a good deal" is an example of a dogma that says that everything revolves around price. Any other considerations would mean that someone "does not understand economics, and clearly does not understand human nature."

Some people do care about jobs and how a product is produced. There are people who want to "buy local", especially when it comes to food. There are people who want to buy "made in the USA". There are people who want to buy from a producer that they have some other connection to, such as a family member who works there.

In the real world at the hiring level, wages and skill levels are not always the biggest factor, and often they are not a factor at all. For example, someone doing the hiring may want to hire their neighbor or cousin. The price (wage) is already set, and there is no great evaluation as to skill levels. It's a personal decision. It's "human nature".

But "buyers want a good deal" isn't a dogma (or if it is, then it's a correct one). Buyers really DO want "good deals" ...

And North isn't claiming that prices are the only things that individuals ever actually do take into account in their own personal buying decisions. He never said that nobody cares about the sorts of things you mention. (If that was the case, then things like "made in the USA" campaigns wouldn't occur in the first place.) Nor is he criticizing those who make their own personal buying decisions on the basis of what you refer to as "other considerations" (such as "buying local" or "dealing with neighbors or family" or whatnot). Such decisions are, as you note, personal and subjective.

North is not arguing that people should not take into account things other than price. He is arguing against those who assert that people other than themselves should take into account things other than price. He is arguing against people who use the "free trade destroys jobs" claim as a justification for forcibly interfering in exchanges of goods and services between people other than themselves.

Let's look again at the particular bit of what North said that you cited (emphasis added): "Anyone who thinks that buyers should care about how many workers are employed by the seller does not understand economics, and clearly does not understand human nature." Note that he used the word "should" and NOT the word "do" (the words "should" and "do" have very different connotations in this context - the first is normative, while the latter is not). Also note that he did NOT say that an individual buyer who does care about such things with respect to his or her own personal buying decisions does not understand economics or human nature ...
 
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Let's look again at the particular bit of what North said that you cited (emphasis added): "Anyone who thinks that buyers should care about how many workers are employed by the seller does not understand economics, and clearly does not understand human nature." Note that he used the word "should" and NOT the word "do" (the words "should" and "do" have very different connotations in this context - the first is normative, while the latter is not). Also note that he did NOT say that an individual buyer who does care about such things with respect to his or her own personal buying decisions does not understand economics or human nature ...

Sorry, that's not the way I read that. He's saying that anyone who doesn't agree with him is an idiot.

His conclusion reads the same way:

Anyone who raises the issue of the number of jobs lost because of free trade has abandoned economics, has abandoned the case for liberty, and has abandoned the idea that buyers like good deals and should be allowed to negotiate them. The person has demonstrated in full public view that he cannot think straight. He cannot apply the logic of free-market liberty on two sides of an invisible line.

Ignore him.
 
Free trade, as the article points out, is the opening up of markets to more competition- removing barriers to entry. If the trade is truely free, it should not matter if the new competition is from within a country's borders or outside. Yes, there will be winners and losers. Job gains and job losses. Less efficient producers will be forced out. That could mean more jobs for US workers on the things we do better and more jobs for the importers on things they do better. On the whole does it mean net job losses? That depends on many factors.

If one supports free markets at home, I agree- they should also support free trade between countries as well.
 
Sorry, that's not the way I read that. He's saying that anyone who doesn't agree with him is an idiot.

His conclusion reads the same way:

Anyone who raises the issue of the number of jobs lost because of free trade has abandoned economics, has abandoned the case for liberty, and has abandoned the idea that buyers like good deals and should be allowed to negotiate them. The person has demonstrated in full public view that he cannot think straight. He cannot apply the logic of free-market liberty on two sides of an invisible line.

Ignore him.

*shrug* As I've pointed out, "the way you read that" and what he actually said are two very different things.

North repeatedly and explicitly identified the kind of people he says "cannot think straight" as "anti-free trade non-economists" and "non-economists who hate free trade" - such as anti-union conservatives who are ostensibly "pro-market" but who want to use government force in order to "protect jobs." And he is absolutely right - those who think that economic propsperity can be secured or enhanced by forcibly suppressing free trade in the name of preserving jobs are indeed not thinking straight, and such people do not in fact understand economics.

As an adherent of the Austrian school, North is perfectly well aware of the subjective nature of value - and there is absolutely nothing in anything he said that is critical of people who freely choose to do things like "buy local" or "hire their neighbors or cousins" or whatnot. He certainly did NOT call them "idiots." In fact, he did not call them anything at all, because he was not talking about them at all.
 
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Free trade = good.
International free trade = good.


International free trade enforced by supranational tribunals that bill taxpayers if they don't get their way = bad.
 
Free trade = good.
International free trade = good.

International free trade enforced by supranational tribunals that bill taxpayers if they don't get their way = bad.

Exactly. Trade that is "enforced" (internationally or intranationally) is not free trade ...
 
and there is absolutely nothing in anything he said that is critical of people who freely choose to do things like "buy local" or "hire their neighbors or cousins" or whatnot. He certainly did NOT call them "idiots." In fact, he did not call them anything at all, because he was not talking about them at all.

The main point of the article is this:
This is what Ludwig von Mises called polylogism. This is the intellectual inability to apply the same economic reasoning across an invisible line call a national border.


This is why they can't think straight, why they do not understand economics, and why we should ignore them: because they think that there should be a certain set of rules within an imaginary line in the sand and a contradictory set of rules for the other side of that imaginary line in the sand.

Now as to buying local, or organic, or from fair trade producers: this does not contradict anything North has said. I think he would agree with the idea that these are criteria for what the buyer wants.
There's no sense in saying that I take Levi's pro-homosexual stance into account when I'm shopping for lederhosen. Both Levi's products and lederhosen qualify as "pants", but Levi's does not make lederhosen.

By the same token, Chile does not produce local grapes (excepting of course for Chileans). When I state that I am looking for local grapes, I am not purposely cutting out Chilean products. I am merely looking for a product with a specific set of criteria, which Chilean grapes do not meet.
If you remove the "local" criterion and just go with "organic", then the criteria change again. Chile may or may not supply organic grapes. If they did, and the price was significantly lower than local organic grapes, then those who are looking for organic grapes irrespective of their origin will buy Chilean grapes in droves.

But it still boils down to price.
 
Now as to buying local, or organic, or from fair trade producers: this does not contradict anything North has said. I think he would agree with the idea that these are criteria for what the buyer wants. [...]

But it still boils down to price.

Exactly. People who wish to "buy local" (or whatever) incorporate such criteria into their purchasing decisions.

Goods and services that satisfy their criteria are subjectively more valuable to them - and so they are willing to pay more for the "value add" (relative to goods and services that do NOT satisfy those criteria). But over the domain of goods and services that DO satisfy their criteria, they will ceteris paribus make their decisions based upon price.

IOW: Even taking their criteria into account, they will still be "buyers who want a good deal" and their purchasing decisions will still ultimately revolve around price ... and those who do not understand this do not understand economics or human nature ...
 
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