Does anyone really trust Glenn Beck?

[reduen]

Beck will have to apologize for his treatment of Dr. Paul and his supporters in the past and restate his position on the war before I really trust him..!

Other than that, I just promote all of the good stuff he has been saying because it is actually the truth...

 

[hotbrownsauce]

Didn't tucker lose his job?

Glenn beck seems to be full of himself. He doesn't possess the freedom movement skills to lead and preach about liberty. An example of what I mean, Lew Rockwell, Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, The Judge, are all people who believe in freedom. They are STRONG believers. Glenn Beck however is not fluid and versed in liberty, freedom, and the constitution.

Who cares if I trust him? Glenn Beck has been speaking up about Socialism, the bailout, the free market, and some other liberties. For that we owe him some gratitude. If the time ever comes where I have to decide to trust him I'll just be very skeptical until I am satisfied.

Answer this, How does trust play a role between us and Glenn Beck right now?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Didn't tucker lose his job?

Glenn beck seems to be full of himself. He doesn't possess the freedom movement skills to lead and preach about liberty. An example of what I mean, Lew Rockwell, Peter Schiff, Ron Paul, The Judge, are all people who believe in freedom. They are STRONG believers. Glenn Beck however is not fluid and versed in liberty, freedom, and the constitution.

Who cares if I trust him? Glenn Beck has been speaking up about Socialism, the bailout, the free market, and some other liberties. For that we owe him some gratitude. If the time ever comes where I have to decide to trust him I'll just be very skeptical until I am satisfied.

Answer this, How does trust play a role between us and Glenn Beck right now?

Tucker got a NEW job at Cato. It figures.

You've been missed. Welcome back. Where's your avatar pic?

 

[Deborah K]

turn off the noise machine.

if you are not capable of doing so, if you need media figures reaffirming "the message" (w/e that means) to feel relevant/vindicated/whatever, then you're as lost as anyone.

if you're not willing to battle the beast that is the consolidated and controlled (on message) information/culture generator, then all efforts directed toward changing government, hearts and minds, w/ever are futile.

be the author of your own reality. lead by example and teach those around you that glenn beck, sean insanity, olbermann, huffinton, moulitsas are all entirely irrelevant.

turn off the television and remove yourself from the dialectic.

Part of "battling the beast" as you put it, is in infiltrating the MSM (know thy enemy). Think strategic. Like it or not, they influence most Americans. I believe that the reason Glenn Beck has had a change of heart since he first maligned Ron Paul, is because RP's supporters vehemently defended RP, and Beck was inundated with calls and emails. Granted, the lunatic fringe of our movement scared the hell outta him and he responded by calling us "terrorists", but a lot of us stayed vigilant and I think we eventually convinced him that most RP supporters are intelligent, decent Americans who dearly love our country. Something swayed him to further investigate RPs philosophies and as you may have noticed, GB has adopted many of those philosophies. I've watched him evolve. Long before I was ever a member of this forum, I was watching GB (and O'Reilly- if you can believe it). I've witnessed the change.

You can call his evolution a MSM conspiracy if you want to, but I don't believe it. I think rather, that he will eventually be shut down, or heavily censored.

At any rate, this is an open door for us. Instead of thinking we can do this w/out the media, yeah right, we need to be sending GB every bit of pertinent information we come across with the intention of further indoctrinating him into the freedom movement. We should be doing the same with Lou Dobbs - another hopeful. Judge Napolitano is another one.

 

[dr. hfn]

Trust? Why would I trust him, I don;t even know him. However, he has been moving more to our sie lately. Even though he still advocates the drug war and war in general

 

[purplechoe]

I trust him like I trusted Bob Barr.

 

[Original_Intent]

I don't trust him, but I don't trust most of the people on these forums* either.

I don't know him, just like I don't know most of you.

Currently GB is saying a lot of good things, and that is all well and good, hopefully he has truly had his eyes opened and will continue down the path he appears to be on. That being said, even though he appears to be somewhat on the right track now, he still needs a lot of education. I also have no doubt that if he continues to educate himself and speak about what he learns, he will soon be off the air completely.

I have high hopes for him both as an individual and as someone who currently can spread the message effectively. But would I place my life in his hands or trust that he wouldn't turn against the movement if there was personal benefit to him? No, no no.

* I like most of you and enjoy hearing your thoughts on various topics. I mean no disrespect when I say I don't trust you. Again it is just an issue of I don't really know many of you well enough that I would want to start a commune with you or anything

 

[ChaosControl]

I like him and have fun listening to him, but I don't trust him.
I don't trust anyone though, except maybe myself and a few select friends and family members. The number I trust I can count on my fingers.

 

[DAFTEK]

He is waking up allot of people, why are you people screwing him over like this now when we need all the help we can, no wonder people always talk shit about Ron Paul members! Let the guy speak and use him to our advantage! He is the only one on the MSM currently who is bashing the crap out of the thief's in Washington!

I'M SURE MORE RON PAUL MEMBERS TRUST THIS CRACKPOT BELOW MORE THEN GLENN BECK!

Mon Feb 23, 9:35 AM ET


A carnival float depicting a flying U.S. President Obama with Europe being dragged along is seen during the traditional carnival parade in Duesseldorf, Germany, on Monday, Feb. 23, 2009. Rose-Monday-Parades in the carnival strongholds of Duesseldorf, Mainz and Cologne are watched by hundreds of thousands of revelers and mark the highlights of Germany's carnival season.
(AP Photo/Frank Augstein)

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Yes - I trust him.

He's spreading our message and he's very popular - a rising star. If we make significant gains in 2010 and 2012 he will be largely responsible for that.

-t

 

[Zera]

Some idiot makes a scene and deal about Socialism, and riles up people from Ron Paul forums who think Obama is any more Socialist than any president from the past 30+ years. Of course he's going to be popular. But he's still the same old snake.

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Mon Feb 23, 9:35 AM ET


A carnival float depicting a flying U.S. President Obama with Europe being dragged along is seen during the traditional carnival parade in Duesseldorf, Germany, on Monday, Feb. 23, 2009. Rose-Monday-Parades in the carnival strongholds of Duesseldorf, Mainz and Cologne are watched by hundreds of thousands of revelers and mark the highlights of Germany's carnival season.
(AP Photo/Frank Augstein)

What is "Europe being dragged along" holding onto in this float. I mean, where are her hands?

 

[Conza88]

not at all... i'm of independent opinion and independent thought... i'm just not foolish enough to throw away a great opportunity to watch our message grow. The Media isn't as in control as they think, if and only if people can warm up to our message. Beck is just helping us plant the seed, even if his motivations are evil as you suggest. It will backfire on him, if that's the goal.. the message itself is too strong.

Are you completely blind to what I quoted below that?

Geezus. You don't think FOX NEWS IS CONTROLLED? WTF!

So 100% controlled during Bush... BAM, no more control - we took over, after Obama got elected.

Oh PLUH-EEZZZE..

I'm under absolutely no control, but thanks for suggesting i am. I enjoy Becks show, as much as i enjoy Alex Jones' show... sue me

The media is entertainment to me.... i don't take any of it too seriously, but enjoy when my favorite message appears on the big screen more and more

Fine, just don't be a complete fool and recommend the show (Beck) to others... without trying to guide them away from the establishment. LewRockwell - Mises.org, go for it. For if you don't it'll come back and bite ya in the ass... when he gets the Green light to put his WARMONGER cap back on.

Considering that the next event will have to be bigger than 9/11... you can bet your ass the response is going to be too.

Some how I don't think Beck repeating his previous opinion is going to be too hard for him.

"Domestic terrorists." 'FEMA camps here we come'....

 

[ClayTrainor]

Are you completely blind to what I quoted below that?

Geezus. You don't think FOX NEWS IS CONTROLLED? WTF!

So 100% controlled during Bush... BAM, no more control - we took over, after Obama got elected.

Oh PLUH-EEZZZE..

Dude... where did i deny this? Obviously i understand that FOX news is a propaganda machine... please source the quote where i denied this?

Fine, just don't be a complete fool and recommend the show (Beck) to others... without trying to guide them away from the establishment. LewRockwell - Mises.org, go for it. For if you don't it'll come back and bite ya in the ass... when he gets the Green light to put his WARMONGER cap back on.

I'm not recommending anybody watch his show, other than my grandparents who waste their time learning about the world from other "talking heads" like anderson coopers. Fact is, i'd much rather have them listening to beck, and there is NO WAY, i'll ever be able to get them to jump on a computer and go to Mises and Lew Rockwell... just wont happen.

Beck is making people like my grandparents, feel like i'm not so crazy after all

Considering that the next event will have to be bigger than 9/11... you can bet your ass the response is going to be too.

Some how I don't think Beck repeating his previous opinion is going to be too hard for him.

"Domestic terrorists." 'FEMA camps here we come'....

Yea, perhaps, but for the time being he is an asset, and a bullhorn for much of what our movement stands for. I obviously agree with you about the big picture, but i personally like having a friendly voice to the movment on the MSM.

Like i said.. i have equal respect for the likes of Glen Beck, and Alex Jones... both have been extremely helpful, but both have the power to do some serious damage to our movement if some zombie-like followers, fall too much under their spell.

 

[Conza88]

Dude... where did i deny this? Obviously i understand that FOX news is a propaganda machine... please source the quote where i denied this?

The Media isn't as in control as they think, if and only if people can warm up to our message. Beck is just helping us plant the seed, even if his motivations are evil as you suggest. It will backfire on him, if that's the goal.. the message itself is too strong.

"The Media isn't controlled as you think" - You're referring to Fox News. As they are the only ones spouting 'truth' atm, with Glen Beck. And it won't backfire on him. It will backfire on the people who go, LISTEN TO GLEN BECK, then they tell all their friends - then there is an attack or he puts his pro war cap on. And then you're suddenly trying to get them to not watch, or have to try re-convert them, "He was only good on finance etc" "He's wrong on war" - but they've already fallen into it.

Just trying to make sure that this doesn't happen to people. As I've said previously, if you have friends, family, cousins, neighbours who are Neo-Cons - TELL them this is EXACTLY what Ron Paul has been saying ALL ALONG.

Tell them Beck is wrong on war, wrong on terrorism. And if they want the truth 24hrs a day, get them to log onto LewRockwell.com and Mises.org

Or if they don't or can't do that... PRINT off ARTICLES, and place them next to the paper for them to read in the morning!

I'm not recommending anybody watch his show, other than my grandparents who waste their time learning about the world from other "talking heads" like anderson coopers. Fact is, i'd much rather have them listening to beck, and there is NO WAY, i'll ever be able to get them to jump on a computer and go to Mises and Lew Rockwell... just wont happen.

Beck is making people like my grandparents, feel like i'm not so crazy after all

Fine. At least stipulate that he's wrong on War and Terrorism every chance you get. Because if there is another attack, they're gonna be thinking you are not only a nut, but a potential terrorist.

]Yea, perhaps, but for the time being he is an asset, and a bullhorn for much of what our movement stands for. I obviously agree with you about the big picture, but i personally like having a friendly voice to the movement on the MSM.

Like i said.. i have equal respect for the likes of Glen Beck, and Alex Jones... both have been extremely helpful, but both have the power to do some serious damage to our movement if some zombie-like followers, fall too much under their spell.

He has gotten better economically, only because it DOESN'T MATTER NOW. And in terms of war on terrorism, there is a lull in it - because Obama is in honeymoon period.

Think Stalin reaction after the next one... and people will be ok with it. "Obama was anti war... but if he's now cracking down on Terrorism, then it really MUST be the right course of action!"

- This also then legitimizes everything Bush did.

 

[ClayTrainor]

"The Media isn't controlled as you think" - You're referring to Fox News. As they are the only ones spouting 'truth' atm, with Glen Beck. And it won't backfire on him. It will backfire on the people who go, LISTEN TO GLEN BECK, then they tell all their friends - then there is an attack or he puts his pro war cap on. And then you're suddenly trying to get them to not watch, or have to try re-convert them, "He was only good on finance etc" "He's wrong on war" - but they've already fallen into it.

I agree they're trying to control, i just don't think they're in "full" control. The message they are spreading with beck will backfire because it opens peoples minds up to liberty and thats a tough flame to put out, once ignited...

Just trying to make sure that this doesn't happen to people. As I've said previously, if you have friends, family, cousins, neighbours who are Neo-Cons - TELL them this is EXACTLY what Ron Paul has been saying ALL ALONG.

Tell them Beck is wrong on war, wrong on terrorism. And if they want the truth 24hrs a day, get them to log onto LewRockwell.com and Mises.org

I hear you, and i send them every bit of Ron Paul content i can.

Or if they don't or can't do that... PRINT off ARTICLES, and place them next to the paper for them to read in the morning!

not a bad idea

 

[mczerone]

I trust him like I trusted Bob Barr.

:= not as far as I can throw him, but if he's trying to talk about liberty, I'm not going to shut him up.

 

[H Roark]

I am convinced that Tucker did what he could to help us out. I would not consider Tucker a traitor; just a weak advocate. I actually like how Tucker praised Ron Paul because it wasn't fake and it was done more so on his own volition.

For a guy trying to keep his job at the network, he really had to employ some tact when he spoke of Ron Paul. He showed up at the Rally For Liberty, but I don't blame him for walking out after the Jesse Ventura commentary.

Glenn Beck on the other hand, I don't know what to think about him but he's been on the right side lately... That being said, I don't subscribe to cable nor do I put trust in his words. I see him as just generally parroting RP's stance on economics.

 

[Bman]

Ummm, trusting him then getting that shit violated, which it will, won't just get us anywhere, it will set up BACK.

He's a snake in the grass.

Again for the clueless.

What you will now see from the Media

Very true.

Chris Matthews almost went Billo on some Republican earlier tonight. It truely is lame.

 

[tremendoustie]

"The Media isn't controlled as you think" - You're referring to Fox News. As they are the only ones spouting 'truth' atm, with Glen Beck. And it won't backfire on him. It will backfire on the people who go, LISTEN TO GLEN BECK, then they tell all their friends - then there is an attack or he puts his pro war cap on. And then you're suddenly trying to get them to not watch, or have to try re-convert them, "He was only good on finance etc" "He's wrong on war" - but they've already fallen into it.

Just trying to make sure that this doesn't happen to people. As I've said previously, if you have friends, family, cousins, neighbours who are Neo-Cons - TELL them this is EXACTLY what Ron Paul has been saying ALL ALONG.

Tell them Beck is wrong on war, wrong on terrorism. And if they want the truth 24hrs a day, get them to log onto LewRockwell.com and Mises.org

Or if they don't or can't do that... PRINT off ARTICLES, and place them next to the paper for them to read in the morning!



Fine. At least stipulate that he's wrong on War and Terrorism every chance you get. Because if there is another attack, they're gonna be thinking you are not only a nut, but a potential terrorist.



He has gotten better economically, only because it DOESN'T MATTER NOW. And in terms of war on terrorism, there is a lull in it - because Obama is in honeymoon period.

Think Stalin reaction after the next one... and people will be ok with it. "Obama was anti war... but if he's now cracking down on Terrorism, then it really MUST be the right course of action!"

- This also then legitimizes everything Bush did.

Just my 2c -- I wouldn't recommend Beck. What I would do, is use a choice Beck video on a particular subject, to illustrate a point. I am also glad that the Beck fans out there are hearing some of the things he has to say.

I don't unequivocally recommend many sources, not even Lew Rockwell -- I only reference particular articles or vids. I think the only sources I've ever recommended are Mises and BJ Lawson's blog.