Does anyone know Who CFL uses to make phone calls on their behalf?

[nayjevin]

I don't like the idea of spending money on robocalls - but it may be very, very cheap for the return -- and the people who receive the calls may be largely like many of us -- in that even if it's really bad they won't hate Ron Paul or forget about liberty or anything.

 

[Lord Xar]

I don't like the idea of spending money on robocalls - but it may be very, very cheap for the return -- and the people who receive the calls may be largely like many of us -- in that even if it's really bad they won't hate Ron Paul or forget about liberty or anything.

I agree. But my concerns are:

1. Getting uneducated phone dialers
2. Message was wayyyy too long

 

[AdamT]

We just got a call from a 202 and they hung up instantly. I'm sure CFL got charged for it though.

Whoever they hired is likely scamming them with hang ups (and from the posts of others, is doing a piss poor job on the answered calls too).

When Lord Xar and crew ran their own call center out of LA, they totally nailed it and turned many people on to RP. Maybe the CFL should hire them?

 

[MRoCkEd]

We just got a call from a 202 and they hung up instantly. I'm sure CFL got charged for it though.

Whoever they hired is likely scamming them with hang ups (and from the posts of others, is doing a piss poor job on the answered calls too).

let c4l know

 

[Lord Xar]

We just got a call from a 202 and they hung up instantly. I'm sure CFL got charged for it though.

Whoever they hired is likely scamming them with hang ups (and from the posts of others, is doing a piss poor job on the answered calls too).

When Lord Xar and crew ran their own call center out of LA, they totally nailed it and turned many people on to RP. Maybe the CFL should hire them?

Yeah, that was Steve Vincent's brainchild. There are alot of Ron Paul'ers still looking to get involved for Ron Paul, at least in Los Angeles I am sure --- I am fairly certain setting up something that we can patch into Ron Pauler's nationwide we could really create something nice.

Ron Paul is a force to be reckoned with and 'those hangups' are probably from leftist who don't want Obama's agenda tampered with. The message is fairly anti-Obama, so I can see some of the callers whispering amongst themselves to "hang up" so the donations don't come in. As I am sure once a hangup is recorded, the number is bypassed - which subsequently reduces donations.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

This issue needs to be directly addressed by the C4L right now!! If it is costing money, and turning off our own fellow membership that is a absolutely unacceptable sign.

 

[Roxi]

i too received the call. the first person was a man, barely understood him, sounded very ghetto... then the very long message that i did enjoy however... then the girl who came on was very very polite and well versed. I told her i wouldn't be giving her my credit card over the phone for a donation but to send me the stuff and i would make my donation through campaign for liberty.


that being said i want to say this.... i worked in call centers for 9 years... calls are made on an automatic dialer. because of many different state laws the dialer is allowed to let it ring a specific amount of times, after that number of rings it will automatically hang up the call. if the call is answered, the dialer has no way of knowing whether that answer was made by a live person or an answering machine. At that point the call is rerouted to the next available telemarketer. at that point between the rerouting and the time the rep comes on, because of a delay (usually around 3-4 seconds) a lot of people hang up because they either only hear silence or clicking. I don't know how many times i would get the beep that a live call was on the line only to hear someone hanging up and mumbling "fucking robo calls". the first person you talk to is only a telemarketer. most of the time they are very inexperienced or in the case of non commission calls, just don't give a shit. the second person you talk to is someone who has been at the company long enough to show they can close a call, and get a credit card out of the person, this person is called a TO or "takeover". some companies also use a "third party verification" person which is almost never actually "third party" it is a supervisor or manager who has been at the company a long time and wants to verify that the customer understands they are charging a credit card at that moment.

so anyway.... the hang ups were most likely not someone hanging up on you on purpose... not that they don't do that, because they do... if your sitting at a cubicle for 7 hours with a manager walking around making sure you are making calls and not just sitting there playing tetris on your cellphone, you learn how to make it look like you are working by putting your headset on mute, and just hanging up on each person that answers and marking it as an answering machine.

also in today's economy, telemarketing companies are really hurting for clients... so this type of call was probably very very cheap for CFL to do.... however i would have made calls for free, i wish they would have asked for some input from us, as I am sure there are a lot of other people like me willing to make those calls... but since there is so much infighting and devision between us and them, this probably was the easiest way to go without a big headache, and 20,000 emails about WHY they decided to do these types of calls.

 

[StudentForPaul08]

wow, i had the same phone call except I had what seemed to be an middle-aged indian lady. I was very confused, and thought it was some sort of fraud or something.

 

[Lord Xar]

i too received the call. the first person was a man, barely understood him, sounded very ghetto... then the very long message that i did enjoy however... then the girl who came on was very very polite and well versed. I told her i wouldn't be giving her my credit card over the phone for a donation but to send me the stuff and i would make my donation through campaign for liberty.


that being said i want to say this.... i worked in call centers for 9 years... calls are made on an automatic dialer. because of many different state laws the dialer is allowed to let it ring a specific amount of times, after that number of rings it will automatically hang up the call. if the call is answered, the dialer has no way of knowing whether that answer was made by a live person or an answering machine. At that point the call is rerouted to the next available telemarketer. at that point between the rerouting and the time the rep comes on, because of a delay (usually around 3-4 seconds) a lot of people hang up because they either only hear silence or clicking. I don't know how many times i would get the beep that a live call was on the line only to hear someone hanging up and mumbling "fucking robo calls". the first person you talk to is only a telemarketer. most of the time they are very inexperienced or in the case of non commission calls, just don't give a shit. the second person you talk to is someone who has been at the company long enough to show they can close a call, and get a credit card out of the person, this person is called a TO or "takeover". some companies also use a "third party verification" person which is almost never actually "third party" it is a supervisor or manager who has been at the company a long time and wants to verify that the customer understands they are charging a credit card at that moment.

so anyway.... the hang ups were most likely not someone hanging up on you on purpose... not that they don't do that, because they do... if your sitting at a cubicle for 7 hours with a manager walking around making sure you are making calls and not just sitting there playing tetris on your cellphone, you learn how to make it look like you are working by putting your headset on mute, and just hanging up on each person that answers and marking it as an answering machine.

also in today's economy, telemarketing companies are really hurting for clients... so this type of call was probably very very cheap for CFL to do.... however i would have made calls for free, i wish they would have asked for some input from us, as I am sure there are a lot of other people like me willing to make those calls... but since there is so much infighting and devision between us and them, this probably was the easiest way to go without a big headache, and 20,000 emails about WHY they decided to do these types of calls.

Well, if you have a rationale for why there are hangups then that totally blows a hole in my theory on "the leftist conspiracy" -- THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its times like these that I really question my paranoia.. hahahha

 

[AdamT]

Seems like all the CFL had to do was put out the word for volunteers and people would've lined up to do calls for them. And actual supporters would've been passionate in talking to people about RP.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This issue needs to be directly addressed by the C4L right now!! If it is costing money, and turning off our own fellow membership that is a absolutely unacceptable sign.

Oh stop it. Did you see the post by Debbie Hopper above your own? As soon as they heard about the problem, they started tracking it down. They don't want this to be happening anymore than we do.

Geez.

 

[angelatc]

Oh stop it. Did you see the post by Debbie Hopper above your own? As soon as they heard about the problem, they started tracking it down. They don't want this to be happening anymore than we do.

Geez.

I hope she saw the message I posted - the recording I heard had Tate repeating 2 lines of the spiel.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I think others covered my first two points, but to emphasize:

Why are they not using RP/CFL volunteers for this? Even if they don't want to use volunteers - there are plenty of supporters that are out of work or stay at home moms or whatever (you can work from anywhere with the right setup) that I would much rather see being paid to do this than some Obama supporter. Lets take care of our own - FIRST! An employed supporter is more involved, making connections, gluing people together by building moral. They are motivated to do their job right because they believe in it. By giving our people jobs, we are also enabling them to donate and making it easier for them to be involved in other campaign related activities.

It also seems like the CFL spends most of it's funds trying to raise more funds... contracting out to some random 3rd party to do calls when we have that capability within the movement does not make me happy.

Whenever I get e-mails / calls / mail from NRA-ILA, GOA, Downsize DC and similar organizations they are VERY SPECIFIC about what they have done in the past and how they will use any funds raised. They also educate me about current legislation and ask for action on my part about that legislation. Generally contacting elected representatives (and providing the information or tools to do that as well as talking points) as well as asking me to spread the word about what's going on.

When they ask for donations, it is always at the end so they can continue to do what they just did by contacting me and asking for may participation to put pressure on Congress. It's an afterthought and not a hard sell. It most certainly is NOT the primary reason for contacting me.

These organizations are very effective and because of that have no problem getting support or donations. So far, I have not seen C4L do anything right. It's more like a nightmare / slow motion train wreck called PCC Redux.

-t

 

[Jace]

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[LibertyEagle]

These organizations are very effective and because of that have no problem getting support or donations. So far, I have not seen C4L do anything right. It's more like a nightmare / slow motion train wreck called PCC Redux.

-t

Oh yeah, really? Like the Rally for the Republic just stunk, did it? How about CPAC just the other day and the forum held afterwards with Judge Napolitano, Thomas Woods, Bruce Fein, et al., that a number of CPAC members attended? Did that stink too? Sure, there are plenty of improvements that can be made, but blanket statements like yours are just a bit too much, IMO.

 

[Thrashertm]

Dean, if you let me know what your last name is and what state you're from, I can contact the director of the call center to let him know about your experience with the operator, and he would be able to identify exactly who the operator was that called you and track if there have been any other complaints about that operator.

I had a similar experience. The person that called me could speak English, but was not exactly articulate.

 

[Thrashertm]

my caller was a gap tooth ghettoid with a 4th grade edumacation who was struggling to read the script. She was not impolite, but I wasn't exactly filled with confidence. I didn't have time to listen to the message, and they keep calling. I won't answer again.

this particular 'campaign' is not a good idea, IMO. CFL needs to DO something with the part of my money that they ALREADY have before asking me for more. Doing nothing but spending my money on illiterates to call me 10 times to ask me for more money is a bad strategy.

lol so right!

 

[Thrashertm]

Ron Paul is a really great, and honest man. He is, however, unable to discern between good work and bad work. Everything i have ever gotten from his office or his campaign has been pretty pretty pretty bad.

I got the call, same story. Mumbles Mcgee asked me if i wanted to listen to something- I said sure. And halfway through I got bored.

Can anyone tell me why the CFL is acting like a PAC from the 1980s? They should be tearing up facebook- making facebook apps that have broadbased anti-authority, anti-government appeal. Young people between the ages of 16-28 REALLY REALLY go for that sort of thing if done right.

But, Robocalls.

Its so annoying. Ron Paul's job is to be a statesman and a thinker. He does that very well. C4L's job is to communicate that message and they fail hard.

I'm sorry to say it, but I'm not going to donate to the CFL or Ron Paul until I see some examples of campaign competency. The grass roots with its money bombs etc. has been much more forward-thinking than the campaign. The campaign should hire some of those people, but also needs to bring in some of Obama's people if they can be lured.

 

[hotbrownsauce]

Lets not forget that peoples privacy is a concern. I think hiring a company is a nice way to protect privacy rather than give information away to random janes and joes.

I missed the call I got because I was working. However IF I received a call from "CFL" and it wasn't a supporter I'd be very precarious too. (That can be a good thing!)

Thrashertm there are dozens of other opportunities out there for you. We all want to see great results just like you. I think your statement is evidence of how strong we are. You need results and you need them now, you want an impact on the system and you want it now. This attitude drives the movement. Real Change, Real Education, and Real Freedom!

Let me sum it up for you. With out our relentless desire to always push the envelope we would not be where we are today, nor could we continue. Trust me when I say we are there with you. There is a great many of us young people waiting for our chance. I for instance am going to college so money is tight and time is tighter. I live near St. Louis and am trying my hardest to get things together so I can go to the first CFL conference.

There are so many bright liberty minded fellows here.....our ingenuity, spontaneity, and fervor is not over.

CFL is having an impact. Give it time and the fruit of its work will be revealed. In the mean time do what you think is best. =)

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Oh yeah, really? Like the Rally for the Republic just stunk, did it? How about CPAC just the other day and the forum held afterwards with Judge Napolitano, Thomas Woods, Bruce Fein, et al., that a number of CPAC members attended? Did that stink too? Sure, there are plenty of improvements that can be made, but blanket statements like yours are just a bit too much, IMO.

The R4R was a nice dog an pony show, but it didn't really accomplish anything beyond getting some time on C-SPAN for our cause and other publicity. On thing it did do was shake up existing state organizations across the country by excluding anyone that couldn't show up from leadership positions in C4L. The political school I heard was good, but it was contracted out - not done by C4L. The timing of the announcement also stepped on the march and resulted in lower attendance for that event.

C4L didn't do CPAC. First I've heard about the forum afterward - was that a C4L event or part of CPAC? What good came out of it other than trying to get a few more members and donors for C4L? That I didn't hear about it beforehand is another problem. I'm on the mailing list.

What about the survey they put out that didn't work (broken script), and was once again primarily for fund raising? Haven't these people ever heard about testing things before announcing them?

What about the radio and TV ads that totally sucked? Then failing to tell people that donated where they were broadcast. And again, at least half of supporters didn't even know they were doing that.

And people are bitching about the quality of weekly videos... Again, it might help if they mentioned they were doing weekly video's as many, like me, signed up initially and didn't bother to when they told everyone they had to sign up again.

Noticed how few have stepped up to be precinct leaders - I mean pay us dues, sign a secrecy agreement with asinine terms, all for the privileged of letting us lead you - puuulllleeeze! - is it any wonder people are not flocking to sign up?

Can they do anything right?

When they start demonstrating some competence, and start doing things that will make a difference I'd be happy to get behind them.

-t