Does anybody, anywhere, seriously still think Obamacare is a good idea?

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I mean, i dont think a single day goes by in which I'm not presented with yet another example of what a disaster this program is turning out to be.

Seriously, if you put a gun to my head and forced me to choose between this and full blown single payer socialism, I'd take the latter...actually I might say pull the trigger, but you get the idea.

Who is out there defending Obamacare in the face of the unmitigated catastrophe it presents? I don't really watch mainstream news, so I don't know, but someone, maybe on msnbc, must be clinging to it. What is their argument? How are they saying we are better off now than we were a year ago? What is the Obamacare apologist argument?
 
This Oregon county wants to spend the federal money it's allocated on more important things like the WOD and those blasted terrorists. So Obamacare is a good way for them to skate on prisoners medical expenses...






From Drudge;

Obamacare will change the way Multnomah County pays for jail inmates' medical treatment

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/01/obamacare_will_change_the_way_1.html

Backers have promoted the Affordable Care Act and Medicaid expansion as a way to reduce health care costs for many Americans.

Multnomah County officials expect national health care reform to cut the county's medical bills, too.

By enrolling jail inmates in nationally subsidized healthcare -- best known as "Obamacare" to both the President and his critics -- the county could bill the federal government for the cost of providing some of them medical care.

County health department officials briefed Multnomah County commissioners on the issue this week.

In addition to saving the county money, enrolling inmates in Obamacare would also mean a significant percentage will now have insurance when their jail stay is done.

The county's corrections health care team has begun a push to enroll jail inmates in Medicaid or other forms of coverage. Seven "eligibility specialists" began working this week to help inmates complete their insurance applications, and they signed 22 inmates up for continuing care during their first day on the job.

County health officials say they hope to create a "warm handoff" from in-custody care to civilian care. Often, uninsured inmates who can't afford medical bills forego treatment once they are released from jail.

"The jail is the primary place where many inmates receive care, and we are trying very hard to change that, said Nancy Griffith, the county's director of corrections health.

National jail standards require governing bodies to provide healthcare for inmates. Historically, the cost has fallen upon the local government running the jail.

Multnomah County pays to provide mental health, dental, and medical care to 35,000 inmates yearly, at a cost of $15.7 million to the county, county spokeswoman Julie Sullivan said.

Under the Affordable Care Act, the county will still be responsible for funding in-jail care of inmates who are on Medicaid, but the county could bill Medicaid for inmates' hospital trips of longer than 24 hours. That alone could bring a savings of $1 million annually.

County officials believe new provisions in the Affordable Care Act could also allow inmates who are privately insured to bill their provider for services received while they are in jail, but have not yet had a trial.

County officials estimate about 70 to 80 percent of the jail population is eligible for Medicaid, while up to 10 percent are privately insured.

"If there's a venue to be reimbursed and we're eligible, we're going to be pursuing that," said Vanetta Abdellatif, the county health department's director of integrated clinical services.

My colleague, Les Zaits, wrote in November about a similar state program to enroll prisoners in Medicaid. Read that story, and keep following our coverage for more on Multnomah County's inmate health reform as details about the program solidify.

--Kelly House
 
What I hear from Obamacare supporters (who aren't on the far left), is "at least something is being done, anything is better than nothing." The far left like the idea of the private healthcare industry being crushed so that they can replace it with public options.
 
I mean, i dont think a single day goes by in which I'm not presented with yet another example of what a disaster this program is turning out to be.

Seriously, if you put a gun to my head and forced me to choose between this and full blown single payer socialism, I'd take the latter...actually I might say pull the trigger, but you get the idea.

Who is out there defending Obamacare in the face of the unmitigated catastrophe it presents? I don't really watch mainstream news, so I don't know, but someone, maybe on msnbc, must be clinging to it. What is their argument? How are they saying we are better off now than we were a year ago? What is the Obamacare apologist argument?

Sure. Every idiot on DailyKos. They routinely make threads like "More People signed up for Obamacare than there are warts on my face" to console themselves.
 
Seriously, if you put a gun to my head and forced me to choose between this and full blown single payer socialism, I'd take the latter....

That is the purpose of the program. Government interventions into medicine over the last 5 decades destroyed the market. Yet, it's called "a free market". So, it is argued that a free market approach doesn't work. When Obamacare doesn't work, then unabated socialism will be presented as the only solution.
 
That is the purpose of the program. Government interventions into medicine over the last 5 decades destroyed the market. Yet, it's called "a free market". So, it is argued that a free market approach doesn't work. When Obamacare doesn't work, then unabated socialism will be presented as the only solution.

I do not believe it . They have more warts.
 
Yea, I think it's awesome !!!
Because,

It's still waking people up to how stupidly controlled things have become !!

Bring on the employer mandate :D
And let the revolution continue.
 
I know a couple of people who signed up and are basically getting "free" health insurance.... Sooo they're pretty much convinced Obamacare is the greatest thing since the CCC.
 
This Oregon county wants to spend the federal money it's allocated on more important things like the WOD and those blasted terrorists. So Obamacare is a good way for them to skate on prisoners medical expenses...

Pyramiding other expenses on top of Obamacare - I hadn't thought of that angle.

But then, I'm not a parasitic crook. At least Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff had to talk people into "investing" in their rake-off scams ...

By enrolling jail inmates in nationally subsidized healthcare -- best known as "Obamacare" to both the President and his critics -- the county could bill the federal government for the cost of providing some of them medical care. [...]

In addition to saving the county money, enrolling inmates in Obamacare would also mean a significant percentage will now have insurance when their jail stay is done.

Great. Now they have one more incentive to find reasons for tossing people into cages ...
 
I know a couple of people who signed up and are basically getting "free" health insurance.... Sooo they're pretty much convinced Obamacare is the greatest thing since the CCC.
Talk to them after their first trip to the doctor, and their first installment toward their deductible ;)

Only those who who could not obtain Insurance, due to a pre-existing condition, will consider the deductible as "free".
 
I know a couple of people who signed up and are basically getting "free" health insurance.... Sooo they're pretty much convinced Obamacare is the greatest thing since the CCC.

The CCC was much better than Bummercare, it was not mandatory and you had no fines.
 
Pyramiding other expenses on top of Obamacare - I hadn't thought of that angle.

But then, I'm not a parasitic crook. At least Charles Ponzi and Bernie Madoff had to talk people into "investing" in their rake-off scams ...



Great. Now they have one more incentive to find reasons for tossing people into cages ...

I knew the pyramiding of other expenses would come , based on the past .Some of these counties have crooks with talent.
 
I still don't trust the website's security and have concerns about identity theft.

Otherwise, the law doesn't make any sense to me. I have been busy and about all I know is I may be fined for almost $100 for not being enrolled.

If this law stays, it makes me want to build up a resume and expatriate just to get out of America's IRS lunacy. I almost wonder if I could even come back to America under a Visa and work here under better terms as a foreigner.
 
Subsidies are income, and must be repaid via the next tax return.

Forced debt creation is not "free".
 
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