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Put that motor in the middle or the back of that thing and I bet it would flip backwards in a heartbeat.
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Put that motor in the middle or the back of that thing and I bet it would flip backwards in a heartbeat.
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Do you hear me, Kowalski?
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And here come the nanny-staters....
Automotive News says the Dodge Demon should be banned
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/04/26/automotive-news-says-dodge-demon-should-be-banned.html
Trade publication Automotive News has called for the new Dodge Challenger SRT Demon to be banned in a scathing editorial regarding the muscle car titled “Keep the Dodge Demon off our roads.”
The outlet called the 808 hp Demon “inherently dangerous to the common safety of motorists,” even while admitting there are other “more powerful, and even faster vehicles available from other automakers that are rightly street legal.”
The Demon was designed to be the quickest car in the world, and it has several drag racing-style features never before offered on a factory production car, including a transmission brake and a standard set of drag radials, which have the minimum amount of tread to be approved for street use by the DOT.
The car only ships with a driver’s seat and can run on 100 octane race gas with a factory upgrade that comes with a warranty and bumps its power up to 840 hp. The Demon’s quarter-mile performance of 9.65 seconds at 140 mph means that it requires a roll cage to be used on a drag strip if its owner actually plans to drive it that quickly.
The editorial says that the Demon is “the result of a sequence of misguided corporate choices that places bragging rights ahead of public safety,” and that it “spits” on the industry’s goal of improving safety while “knowingly placing motorists in danger.” It goes on to quote Ralph Nader and proclaim the Demon “unsafe at any speed.”
Dodge has not commented on the editorial.
The accusations are made despite the fact that no one on the staff of Automotive News has yet driven the car, and the piece doesn't mention Dodge’s assertion that the Demon isn’t just a drag racer. Its braking and roadholding capabilities are far superior to most cars on the road today, according to Dodge brand boss Tim Kuniskis, who says that it has the ability to pull a supercar-like 1.00 g on the skidpad and come to a stop from 60 mph in less than 100 feet, a feat that very few cars in the world can achieve.
(Update: Automotive News' enthusiast-focused sister publication, Autoweek, has published its own editorial saying that it expects the Demon to be "plenty safe when used responsibly.")
The Demon is based on the 707 hp Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat, which was expected to be a low volume, limited edition niche vehicle, but turned out to be a surprise hit for the brand. Dodge has been selling more than twice as many as it expected to when it put it on sale in 2015, and has since expanded the availability of the Hellcat engine to the Charger sedan and upcoming Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk.
The Demon will only be offered for the 2018 model year. Just 3,000 are planned to be built for the U.S. market, with an additional 300 slated for Canada.
Automotive News says the Dodge Demon should be banned
http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/04/26/automotive-news-says-dodge-demon-should-be-banned.html
Trade publication Automotive News has called for the new Dodge Challenger SRT Demon to be banned in a scathing editorial regarding the muscle car titled “Keep the Dodge Demon off our roads.”
The outlet called the 808 hp Demon “inherently dangerous to the common safety of motorists,” even while admitting there are other “more powerful, and even faster vehicles available from other automakers that are rightly street legal.”
The Demon was designed to be the quickest car in the world, and it has several drag racing-style features never before offered on a factory production car, including a transmission brake and a standard set of drag radials, which have the minimum amount of tread to be approved for street use by the DOT.
The car only ships with a driver’s seat and can run on 100 octane race gas with a factory upgrade that comes with a warranty and bumps its power up to 840 hp. The Demon’s quarter-mile performance of 9.65 seconds at 140 mph means that it requires a roll cage to be used on a drag strip if its owner actually plans to drive it that quickly.
The editorial says that the Demon is “the result of a sequence of misguided corporate choices that places bragging rights ahead of public safety,” and that it “spits” on the industry’s goal of improving safety while “knowingly placing motorists in danger.” It goes on to quote Ralph Nader and proclaim the Demon “unsafe at any speed.”
Dodge has not commented on the editorial.
The accusations are made despite the fact that no one on the staff of Automotive News has yet driven the car, and the piece doesn't mention Dodge’s assertion that the Demon isn’t just a drag racer. Its braking and roadholding capabilities are far superior to most cars on the road today, according to Dodge brand boss Tim Kuniskis, who says that it has the ability to pull a supercar-like 1.00 g on the skidpad and come to a stop from 60 mph in less than 100 feet, a feat that very few cars in the world can achieve.
(Update: Automotive News' enthusiast-focused sister publication, Autoweek, has published its own editorial saying that it expects the Demon to be "plenty safe when used responsibly.")
The Demon is based on the 707 hp Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat, which was expected to be a low volume, limited edition niche vehicle, but turned out to be a surprise hit for the brand. Dodge has been selling more than twice as many as it expected to when it put it on sale in 2015, and has since expanded the availability of the Hellcat engine to the Charger sedan and upcoming Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk.
The Demon will only be offered for the 2018 model year. Just 3,000 are planned to be built for the U.S. market, with an additional 300 slated for Canada.
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Fucking clovers.
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I'm sure they would be just fine with restricting it to only being sold to police officers.
Fuck these assholes that are afraid of a fucking machine. That they haven't even driven. And there are more powerful cars already on the road. Fucking clovers
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I'd say they were in favor of self driving vehicles as well, but they were bleating about safety as well.
Once the bugs are ironed out, I'm sure they will be falling all over themselves to promote these:
Safe, sane, monitored, tracked, regulated, "green" and always under the watchful eyes of the surveillance grid.
And they even come with adorable side panel murals of "diversity", birdies and fluffy bunnys.
Bet you even get a free pacifier to suck on to calm your nerves while it drives you the Soylent Green Ecology Termination facility.
Christ fucking help us...
Once the bugs are ironed out, I'm sure they will be falling all over themselves to promote these:
Safe, sane, monitored, tracked, regulated, "green" and always under the watchful eyes of the surveillance grid.
And they even come with adorable side panel murals of "diversity", birdies and fluffy bunnys.
Bet you even get a free pacifier to suck on to calm your nerves while it drives you the Soylent Green Ecology Termination facility.
Christ fucking help us...
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Is Slower “Safer”?
https://ericpetersautos.com/2017/04/27/is-slower-safer/#comment-662560
By eric April 27, 2017
The mantra is that Slow is Safe. But Slow is often also oblivious – and sloppy.
Which tends to be dangerous, the opposite of safe.
The priests – and priestesses, more often – of The Safety Cult have not noticed.
The other day, I rolled up behind a car descending a mountain pass. The speed limit is 55 – the car was moping along at about 38 MPH. No, moping isn’t exactly the right word. It was randomly sashaying left then right, onto the shoulder – then across the double yellow.
But well below the The Speed Limit.
By Clover Standards, the person behind the wheel was thus, ipso facto, a Safe Driver.
Exceeding The Speed Limit is a kind of original sin within the Safety Cult. It must be obeyed, rigidly and reflexively. But otherwise? Not to worry!
Drivers like this one are largely immune from cops and tickets.
Certainly from a drunk driving ticket.
Just as some animals are more equal than others, some forms of impairment are regarded as less objectionable than others – by the law, at least.
Worst case, this Clover – and all the countless other Clovers just like him – might get pulled over and be issued a ticket for . . . something.
Failure to maintain control, crossing the double yellow. But nothing serious. Not on par with a drunk driving ticket. Which by the way, you don’t get a ticket for.
You get taken to jail.
Then you go to court – where you face consequences that go beyond the merely financial.
Even if you didn’t cross the double yellow or drive all over the shoulder. Indeed, your driving can be faultless and you will still go to jail simply because a certain arbitrary amount of alcohol was detected in your bloodstream via a breath test. The fact that you were in control of your car – assuming you were – cuts no ice.
At all.
But this Clover can wander without worry. Three thousand-ish pounds of steel and glass sloshing around the road but hey, he isn’t drunk.
Lord help any pedestrians or bicyclists who might happen to be occupying the shoulder at the same time as the sober Clover. Or any cars coming up the mountain, in the opposite lane – when a fourth to a third of Clover’s car is across the double yellow in a blind curve.
In the event of a wreck – even if some innocent person is killed as a result – it is probable that it will be treated as an “accident” – you know, like a tree falling over on your house during a thunderstorm, something over which you had no control. The Wandering Clover will rarely be dealt with as severely as a person who did the same thing but whose impairment was caused by alcohol.
On the other hand, maybe this Clover was just sleepy.
Driving at slow speeds will do that – especially if you have a long way to drive. There is not much to do as far as driving. You’re pretty much just sitting there. Especially in a modern car – at yesterday’s speed limits.
It is 2017 – but speed limits are pretty much what they were in 1970. Back then, 70 felt like 70. Today it feels like 50. But speed limits haven’t adjusted upward to take into account that even if drivers are no better today than they were in 1970, the cars are.
A 2017 model year anything at 70 is like a 1970 model at 50.
One tends to get . . . bored.
So people tend to do other things. They text. They look around at the pretty scenery. They tap the apps. And wander all over.
Arguably, driving faster is safer. Because when you’re driving fast, you have to pay attention. You can’t Zone Out or text or fiddle with the touchscreen and tap the apps.
Not for very long, anyhow.
Driving – safe driving – ought to be an active and challenging thing. Not a passive and narcoleptic thing.
But fast driving affronts The Cult, no matter how safely done. It’s a crazy thing. A fast driver who drives expertly ought to be praised and admired rather than excoriated and abused. But then, we are viewing things from the wrong perspective.
What’s desired is not competence nor independence of any kind. Alertness being a function of both things; our brains constantly engaged, assimilating data and taking action. As in school, as everywhere else, that is not desired.
What is desired is passivity and torpor. The somnolence and stupefaction of a cow standing in a field, flies alighting on its eyes – the cow too indifferent to even blink.
https://ericpetersautos.com/2017/04/27/is-slower-safer/#comment-662560
By eric April 27, 2017
The mantra is that Slow is Safe. But Slow is often also oblivious – and sloppy.
Which tends to be dangerous, the opposite of safe.
The priests – and priestesses, more often – of The Safety Cult have not noticed.
The other day, I rolled up behind a car descending a mountain pass. The speed limit is 55 – the car was moping along at about 38 MPH. No, moping isn’t exactly the right word. It was randomly sashaying left then right, onto the shoulder – then across the double yellow.
But well below the The Speed Limit.
By Clover Standards, the person behind the wheel was thus, ipso facto, a Safe Driver.
Exceeding The Speed Limit is a kind of original sin within the Safety Cult. It must be obeyed, rigidly and reflexively. But otherwise? Not to worry!
Drivers like this one are largely immune from cops and tickets.
Certainly from a drunk driving ticket.
Just as some animals are more equal than others, some forms of impairment are regarded as less objectionable than others – by the law, at least.
Worst case, this Clover – and all the countless other Clovers just like him – might get pulled over and be issued a ticket for . . . something.
Failure to maintain control, crossing the double yellow. But nothing serious. Not on par with a drunk driving ticket. Which by the way, you don’t get a ticket for.
You get taken to jail.
Then you go to court – where you face consequences that go beyond the merely financial.
Even if you didn’t cross the double yellow or drive all over the shoulder. Indeed, your driving can be faultless and you will still go to jail simply because a certain arbitrary amount of alcohol was detected in your bloodstream via a breath test. The fact that you were in control of your car – assuming you were – cuts no ice.
At all.
But this Clover can wander without worry. Three thousand-ish pounds of steel and glass sloshing around the road but hey, he isn’t drunk.
Lord help any pedestrians or bicyclists who might happen to be occupying the shoulder at the same time as the sober Clover. Or any cars coming up the mountain, in the opposite lane – when a fourth to a third of Clover’s car is across the double yellow in a blind curve.
In the event of a wreck – even if some innocent person is killed as a result – it is probable that it will be treated as an “accident” – you know, like a tree falling over on your house during a thunderstorm, something over which you had no control. The Wandering Clover will rarely be dealt with as severely as a person who did the same thing but whose impairment was caused by alcohol.
On the other hand, maybe this Clover was just sleepy.
Driving at slow speeds will do that – especially if you have a long way to drive. There is not much to do as far as driving. You’re pretty much just sitting there. Especially in a modern car – at yesterday’s speed limits.
It is 2017 – but speed limits are pretty much what they were in 1970. Back then, 70 felt like 70. Today it feels like 50. But speed limits haven’t adjusted upward to take into account that even if drivers are no better today than they were in 1970, the cars are.
A 2017 model year anything at 70 is like a 1970 model at 50.
One tends to get . . . bored.
So people tend to do other things. They text. They look around at the pretty scenery. They tap the apps. And wander all over.
Arguably, driving faster is safer. Because when you’re driving fast, you have to pay attention. You can’t Zone Out or text or fiddle with the touchscreen and tap the apps.
Not for very long, anyhow.
Driving – safe driving – ought to be an active and challenging thing. Not a passive and narcoleptic thing.
But fast driving affronts The Cult, no matter how safely done. It’s a crazy thing. A fast driver who drives expertly ought to be praised and admired rather than excoriated and abused. But then, we are viewing things from the wrong perspective.
What’s desired is not competence nor independence of any kind. Alertness being a function of both things; our brains constantly engaged, assimilating data and taking action. As in school, as everywhere else, that is not desired.
What is desired is passivity and torpor. The somnolence and stupefaction of a cow standing in a field, flies alighting on its eyes – the cow too indifferent to even blink.
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[MENTION=39306]Carlybee[/MENTION]
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Favor us with some racing stories...
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I am fair sick of the ghetto rim craze, with new luxury cars made to look like this:
Do you mean the ridiculously small "luxury" car?
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I raced a 96 modified Trans Am..mostly bracket racing in the late 90s..early 2000s. I raced with an all female racing club and with a coed F-Body club as well as on my own. I have a few trophies. I came in 3rd in the Nopi Drag Wars one year out of 300 entrants and I have a first place from Houston Raceway Park. It was getting too expensive so I had to give it up. My car was in the high 12s..which is nothing nowadays. I published an ezine for a while called Raceher.com.
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Oh wow, neat! Post some pics please.
I was going to get into this, but the costs were prohibitive as well:
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There is some talk of a new Grand Wagoneer for 2018, and also some talk it may be available with the Demon engine package.
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Boy I am happy to see this:
First-Ever Factory Drag Radials
All this powertrain upgrading is done for one mission: to put power to the ground. Making that happen is the job of Nitto’s 315/40R18 NT-05R Drag Radials—the first drag radials of any description to be put on a factory street-legal machine. The Nittos are mounted on lightweight 11×18-inch “Hole Shot” wheels which look absolutely bitchin. The NT-05R is a tire we are quite familiar with, and although this particular size is unique to the Demon, we expect its performance to be top-shelf. Dodge aggressively moved to a taller sidewall and a wider track on the Demon (the Hellcat was 275/40R20). This was done to gain more adhesion and better sidewall compliance, and combined with Nitto’s take-no-prisoners compound, provide more than twice the grip of the Hellcat.
I am fair sick of the ghetto rim craze, with new luxury cars made to look like this:
Not manufactured since 2000 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_SC#First_generation_.28Z30.29
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Oh wow, neat! Post some pics please.
I was going to get into this, but the costs were prohibitive as well:
I'd have to scan some..most my pics are on my old fubared laptop. Here's one of the car.
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Yes, that was my point.
The big rim/skinny tire craze that makes a brand new S Class Mercedes look like a 20 year old hoop-d straight out of the ghetto.
