Do you want Jesse Benton involved in any capacity in Rand Paul 2016?

[RonPaulFanInGA]

If Benton, Jack Hunter and Teh Collinz are on RandPaul2016 Inc. then I know I'll be sitting that one out. Because at that point I wouldn't trust Rand to pick the right people for cabinet positions.

It's weird that you would lump Hunter in with Benton, and sad that he's the one of that trio certain not to be on Rand Paul's hypothetical official presidential campaign team, even though he'd be the least offensive of that group.

Wasn't Hunter forced to resign over some stupid Confederate faux-outrage? Why would Paul bring him back? The media is already going to try and paint him as some sort of rabid bigot over the Civil Rights Act issue, why would he exasperate the problem with Hunter?

 

[phill4paul]

It's weird that you would lump Hunter in with Benton, and sad that he's the one of that trio certain not to be on Rand Paul's hypothetical official presidential campaign team, even though he'd be the least offensive of that group.

Wasn't Hunter forced to resign over some stupid Confederate faux-outrage? Why would Paul bring him back? The media is already going to try and paint him as some sort of rabid bigot over the Civil Rights Act issue, why would he exasperate the problem with Hunter?

There is a common thread to all three. There is a disdain for grassroots support that they deem fringe. There is a belief that they are above the common man, that they are the insiders with the "know-how." Which is hilarious. Because every one of us knows that Ron's war chest was built from the bottom up and got Ron both the money and publicity that they were unable to do.

 

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[JK/SEA]

There is a common thread to all three. There is a disdain for grassroots support that they deem fringe. There is a belief that they are above the common man, that they are the insiders with the "know-how." Which is hilarious. Because every one of us knows that Ron's war chest was built from the bottom up and got Ron both the money and publicity that they were unable to do.

Matt says the 'fringe' (grassroots) are not welcome.
Take your support and money some place else. Apparently.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

92.63% opposed and something like $20,000 pledged if Benton is not on the team.

I feel like an anti-bundler. Keep up the good work, Collinz.

 

[Warlord]

92.63% opposed and something like $20,000 pledged if Benson is not on the team.

I feel like an anti-bundler. Keep up the good work, Collinz.

I'm surprised by these numbers to be honest...

 

[phill4paul]

92.63% opposed and something like $20,000 pledged if Benson is not on the team.

I feel like an anti-bundler. Keep up the good work, Collinz.

They don't need the grassroots. They are gonna get red blooded mainstream GOPers to back Rand. What's a six million moneybomb compared to big donor support? So shut up you fringe folk that don't like Benton. You're not going to be needed this time around.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...sh-for-2016-presidential-run-(scared-of-Paul)

 

[Matt Collins]

Matt says the 'fringe' (grassroots) are not welcome.
Take your support and money some place else. Apparently.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

 

[Matt Collins]

For those of you who refuse to support Rand simply because you dislike someone on his staff, realize that when Jeb Bush becomes President, you were complacent in allowing that to happen:


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-to-draft-jeb-bush-for-2016-presidential-run/

 

[liberalnurse]

Oh, I support Rand. I'll volunteer, maybe buy a Tshirt and yard sign. I'll definitely vote for him. Just won't give him a penny if Benton or you, for that matter Matt, are paid staff. You burnt your bridges here with a lot of us in 2012. Oh, and no need to yell. We hear you and have heard you loud and clear.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

Oh, I support Rand. I'll volunteer, maybe buy a Tshirt and yard sign. I'll definitely vote for him. Just won't give him a penny if Benton or you, for that matter Matt, are paid staff. You burnt you bridges here with a lot of us in 2012. Oh, and no need to yell. We hear you and have heard you loud and clear.

Can we make this like a money bomb thread and officially pledge how much we plan not to donate if Benton is involved in the running of the campaign?
That way when Rand's staffers come across the thread, they will understand how important that choice is.

I officially pledge to withhold a max donation of $5200 if Jesse Benton is selected as campaign manager for Rand Paul's 2016 presidential campaign. I also pledge that should Jesse Benton not be selected to run Rand's campaign, I will donate $5200 to Rand Paul's 2016 presidential campaign.

 

[Maltheus]

For those of you who refuse to support Rand simply because you dislike someone on his staff, realize that when Jeb Bush becomes President, you were complacent in allowing that to happen:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-to-draft-jeb-bush-for-2016-presidential-run/

It's impossible to convince the RP base to tolerate Benton. There are too many people out there, with too many different reasons to dislike him. It should be, however, much easier to convince Rand Paul to not go with the guy under investigation for corruption, who is pretty much only known nationally for the cringe-worthy McConnell flub. That is, assuming he isn't being completely insulated by the Bentonites. Until he actually makes the mistake, there's still hope to turn this around. I'm not sure why you aren't on board with us Matt. Given how much time you've spent on the defensive, on this issue, surely it's clear to you that he's more of an impediment to fundraising and acquiring delegates than he is a boon. We can't continue to drive out our most experienced people and hope to make any progress.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There is a common thread to all three. There is a disdain for grassroots support that they deem fringe. There is a belief that they are above the common man, that they are the insiders with the "know-how." Which is hilarious. Because every one of us knows that Ron's war chest was built from the bottom up and got Ron both the money and publicity that they were unable to do.

Ron's war chest? Are you serious here? We few gave it all we had, but the fact is that Ron's campaign never raised enough money to compete in a national race. Especially when he also needed to run ads to counteract the lies being spewed about him by the media.

They never hated the "fringe", as you call it. But, one more time.... THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OF US TO WIN. We are just a drop in the bucket. To win just the Republican nomination, Rand will have to win over one ton of mainstream Republicans. I don't understand why some of you cannot get this. All of you know that the other guys are looking for any opportunity at all to blow up into something worthy of sinking Rand. Why do some here want to help them?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oh, I support Rand. I'll volunteer, maybe buy a Tshirt and yard sign. I'll definitely vote for him. Just won't give him a penny if Benton or you, for that matter Matt, are paid staff. You burnt your bridges here with a lot of us in 2012. Oh, and no need to yell. We hear you and have heard you loud and clear.

There were times he did some good though. Be fair. I remember more than a few times when people saw some claim and started running off with it screaming that the sky was falling and Matt stepping in with more information.

 

[angelatc]

For those of you who refuse to support Rand simply because you dislike someone on his staff, realize that when Jeb Bush becomes President, you were complacent in allowing that to happen:


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-to-draft-jeb-bush-for-2016-presidential-run/

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Oh look - the campaign is here blaming us for another loss - this time before it even happens. Because nothing is ever their fault when they lose.

The real deal is simply that we all know that there's no freaking way Rand will win if Benton runs the campaign. He's weak, arrogant, he can't handle the media, his messaging gets nowhere, has never been able to manage the press, his last strategy (the stealth delegate thing) was bot laughable and devastating on every imaginable level.

You can stamp your feet and have your little tantrums all you want, and you can blame us yet again. We can totally live with that.

 

[liberalnurse]

There were times he did some good though. Be fair. I remember more than a few times when people saw some claim and started running off with it screaming that the sky was falling and Matt stepping in with more information.

I agree. I specifically stated 2012.

 

[angelatc]

Ron's war chest? Are you serious here? We few gave it all we had, but the fact is that Ron's campaign never raised enough money to compete in a national raise. Especially when he also needed to run ads to counteract the lies being spewed about him by the media.

Which highlights two of the areas that Benton's campaign was weak in. He could not raise money, and he couldn't effectively counter the media messaging. This is exactly WHY he should not be allowed to run another campaign.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Which highlights two of the areas that Benton's campaign was weak in. He could not raise money, and he couldn't effectively counter the media messaging. This is exactly WHY he should not be allowed to run another campaign.

Oh, I don't want Benton running Rand's campaign either. I'm sure he's learned a lot, politically, working for McConnell, but even there he got caught with his foot in his mouth.

 

[LibertyEagle]

For those of you who refuse to support Rand simply because you dislike someone on his staff, realize that when Jeb Bush becomes President, you were complacent in allowing that to happen:


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-to-draft-jeb-bush-for-2016-presidential-run/

How so? I read the article and I didn't see anything in there that could be blamed on the grassroots.

 

[phill4paul]

Ron's war chest? Are you serious here? We few gave it all we had, but the fact is that Ron's campaign never raised enough money to compete in a national raise. Especially when he also needed to run ads to counteract the lies being spewed about him by the media.

They never hated the "fringe", as you call it. But, one more time.... THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OF US TO WIN. We are just a drop in the bucket. To win just the Republican nomination, Rand will have to win over one ton of mainstream Republicans. I don't understand why some of you cannot get this. All of you know that the other guys are looking for any opportunity at all to blow up into something worthy of sinking Rand. Why do some here want to help them?

Yes, his War Chest. RonPaul2012, Inc. was handed the second largest amount through fundraising second only to Mitt Romney. There WAS enough to compete but for some reason RonPaul2012, Inc. chose not to attack Mitt Romney. That is on RonPaul2012, Inc. not on those that gave all they had. You need to read some of jjdoyles posts to understand what the hell went down.
As far as this issue with Benton goes I hope that if you are serious about not sinking Rand then you, and Rand, will take to heart the message of what 80% of the respondents of this poll are trying to get across.