Do you want Jesse Benton involved in any capacity in Rand Paul 2016?

[Anti-Neocon]

I don't know why certain posters are refusing to explain why Benton deserves the flak he's taking. If you want to keep something confidential, then just say so, but taking the attitude of "just believe me, you're not worthy enough of my time to explain" isn't going to get anyone on your side.

 

[Deborah K]

I don't know why certain posters are refusing to explain why Benton deserves the flak he's taking. If you want to keep something confidential, then just say so, but taking the attitude of "just believe me, you're not worthy enough of my time to explain" isn't going to get anyone on your side.

At this point it's probably 'Benton Fatigue'. The subject of Benton has been hashed and rehashed so many times that many of us are not motivated anymore to waste any more time with it when a little bit of research on your own will suffice. That's probably better anyway, then you're not taking anyone's word for it.

 

[Deborah K]

I don't know why certain posters are refusing to explain why Benton deserves the flak he's taking. If you want to keep something confidential, then just say so, but taking the attitude of "just believe me, you're not worthy enough of my time to explain" isn't going to get anyone on your side.

dupe

 

[angelatc]

At this point it's probably 'Benton Fatigue'. The subject of Benton has been hashed and rehashed so many times that many of us are not motivated anymore to waste any more time with it when a little bit of research on your own will suffice. That's probably better anyway, then you're not taking anyone's word for it.

This! The archives are full of various first-hand accounts of the shenanigans that Benton pulled. If you do not know what we are talking about, then get some coffee and start digging.

 

[anaconda]

Now start a damned thread and explain why anyone should donate to a campaign where the goal of the candidate and the team isn't to win!!

I am not knowledgeable enough about Jesse Benton to have much of an opinion.

Yet, I recall Larry Leopard discussing (in the documentary) a phone conversation regarding a solicitation for donations in 2007, and they admitted that it was unlikely that Ron Paul would win. Yet, he said words to the effect of "If he can get into the debates make a clear case for his positions, then it's a story that deserves to be told." So while, I agree we should try to win, there are potentially great benefits from running and not winning (I had believed in both 2008 and 2012 that there were small but plausible scenarios were Ron could win ). For example, in 2008 when Ron Paul came to the assessment that winning the nomination was not possible, I believe (correct me here I may be wrong on this) he sank a bunch of the remaining campaign donations into Campaign For Liberty. Yet, if Ron Paul had decided to fight his fiercest battle in the primary, wouldn't he have spent every last dime in an effort to garner votes?

 

[Deborah K]

I am not knowledgeable enough about Jesse Benton to have much of an opinion.

Yet, I recall Larry Leopard discussing (in the documentary) a phone conversation regarding a solicitation for donations in 2007, and they admitted that it was unlikely that Ron Paul would win. Yet, he said words to the effect of "If he can get into the debates make a clear case for his positions, then it's a story that deserves to be told." So while, I agree we should try to win, there are potentially great benefits from running and not winning (I had believed in both 2008 and 2012 that there were small but plausible scenarios were Ron could win ). For example, in 2008 when Ron Paul came to the assessment that winning the nomination was not possible, I believe (correct me here I may be wrong on this) he sank a bunch of the remaining campaign donations into Campaign For Liberty. Yet, if Ron Paul had decided to fight his fiercest battle in the primary, wouldn't he have spent every last dime in an effort to garner votes?

Thinking that your chances are slim, is very different from campaigning with no intention to win because you have other motives.

 

[angelatc]

I am not knowledgeable enough about Jesse Benton to have much of an opinion.

Yet, I recall Larry Leopard discussing (in the documentary) a phone conversation regarding a solicitation for donations in 2007, and they admitted that it was unlikely that Ron Paul would win. Yet, he said words to the effect of "If he can get into the debates make a clear case for his positions, then it's a story that deserves to be told." So while, I agree we should try to win, there are potentially great benefits from running and not winning (I had believed in both 2008 and 2012 that there were small but plausible scenarios were Ron could win ). For example, in 2008 when Ron Paul came to the assessment that winning the nomination was not possible, I believe (correct me here I may be wrong on this) he sank a bunch of the remaining campaign donations into Campaign For Liberty. Yet, if Ron Paul had decided to fight his fiercest battle in the primary, wouldn't he have spent every last dime in an effort to garner votes?

2007 was an amazing time for all of us, and I think that perspective is important. When they were having that conversation with Larry, they didn't expect the reaction that they received.

But you make another important point: if they told Larry that in the beginning, and he still donated all he could and much more, why did they tell us a different story in 2012?

 

[phill4paul]

Kashmir

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LOL, but seriously, what about LA? Why don't you post the article describing whatever crime in Cajun country you're alleging Benton committed?

Why don't YOU do catch up, and in the process garner esteem, instead of talking out your ass. You've obtained all the search material and key words you need. Looking forward to a discussion from an informed forum member.

 

[anaconda]

Thinking that your chances are slim, is very different from campaigning with no intention to win because you have other motives.

I agree with your statement completely. Yet I am still curious to know if you think Dr. Paul should have spent every last dime in 2008 in an effort to maximize votes?

Elsewhere, I am skeptical that passionate supporters of, say, the Green Party, Socialist Equality, or the Constitution Party thought they could win (although I may be wrong here - some political science graduate student must have done a study on this). I suspect very many of these people believe in their cause sufficiently to donate and campaign for issues and ideas that they wish to promote and gather increasing public support for. Possibly their goals at first are smaller, such as influencing the party platforms of other larger parties. I admire these peoples' efforts in this regard, and I think it would be unfortunate if they decided to not be involved because electoral victory was not immediately possible.

 

[puppetmaster]

I know that Rands ultimate consultant is his dad so I am very comfortable with what ever rand chooses.

 

[Deborah K]

I agree with your statement completely. Yet I am still curious to know if you think Dr. Paul should have spent every last dime in 2008 in an effort to maximize votes?

I didn't have a problem with it because he didn't get C4L off the ground until after the primaries. He pretty much launched C4L around the same time we organized the Revolution March, which was well after the primaries and it was clear he wouldn't win.

Elsewhere, I am skeptical that passionate supporters of, say, the Green Party, Socialist Equality, or the Constitution Party thought they could win (although I may be wrong here - some political science graduate student must have done a study on this). I suspect very many of these people believe in their cause sufficiently to donate and campaign for issues and ideas that they wish to promote and gather increasing public support for. Possibly their goals at first are smaller, such as influencing the party platforms of other larger parties. I admire these peoples' efforts in this regard, and I think it would be unfortunate if they decided to not be involved because electoral victory was not immediately possible.

I agree. But I don't think any of that changes the fact that running for office should be done with the intent to win.

 

[fr33]

I know that Rands ultimate consultant is his dad so I am very comfortable with what ever rand chooses.

I'm not. Ron never ran to win. If Benton has any power withing Rand's campaign, I'm not wasting my money. Rand isn't running an educational campaign like Ron did so there's no point in hiring amateurs.

 

[mosquitobite]

It's not a personality dispute. It's a recognition of a waste of time. I'm looking to change things in this country. Not help the Paul dynasty earn more income. I'd like to believe Rand is the real deal. Giving yet another welfare position to his relative would make me question that.

This is how I see it as well.

Nepotism.

The only nepotism we need is Ron Paul as the head of the treasury.

Benton did not succeed on his first 2 Paul campaigns, we don't need him on a third. Not only will RPF forums revolt at the thought, but if Rand truly wants to be seen as a true contender and wants that money he has been courting - he can't go with an amateur who has a possible scandal attached to him. Our country is TOO.FAR.GONE at this point. Rand is not running an education race. If he's not in it to win it, well I'll find someone else to support with my time and treasure.

And I say this with a heavy heart because I would love to knock on doors and phone bank for Rand in 2016.

Rand, PLEASE do not make the mistake of making Benton your #1 guy.

 

[angelatc]

I know that Rands ultimate consultant is his dad so I am very comfortable with what ever rand chooses.

Noe mt. As far as I am concerned, Ron's weakness is his inability to surround himself with effective administrators.

 

[angelatc]

Benton did not succeed on his first 2 Paul campaigns, we don't need him on a third..

Point of order - Benton didn't run the 2007 campaign.

 

[mosquitobite]

Sorry spokesman. Which as others have said, he wasn't good at.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2..._spokesman_will_work_for_mitch_mcconnell.html

 

[whoisjohngalt]

You don't know what you are talking about.


You've stood next to him? You've been in the same room as him? And somehow you know everything about him?

I don't know everything about him, but I know that he's an asshole and his first objective is definitely not liberty. That's all I need to know.

You don't have to listen to an asshole long to know one.

 

[angelatc]

"Original Intent" just explained this up above this post





Ron was running to win, but winning can mean more than just getting elected...


In fact I would say Ron was the only Republican winner in 08 and 12...

Reasons to run a campaign:
- to build an organization
- to raise an issue
- to spoil for / against a candidate
- to get other politicians on the record
- to build name recognition
- to prepare for a future run


So, if you look at that list you are forced to conclude that Ron Paul won, even though he didn't get elected. Getting elected into office isn't everything.

Wow wow wow.

so, during the campaign in which Matt was paid by those donations to create several alternate accounts to properly represent the level of deception the campaign was willing to stoop to, anybody who DARED assert the campaign was perhaps not actually trying to win the presidency was blasted by him and his little socks.

And now you have the audacity to stand here and call the people who actually believed the charade stupid for believing it.

Holy freaking mother of....


This is the House the Benton built.

 

[angelatc]

Sorry spokesman. Which as others have said, he wasn't good at.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2..._spokesman_will_work_for_mitch_mcconnell.html

In 2007 he was pretty much one of us until he hitched up with Ron's grandddaughter.

 

[Bman]

I said no but if his job is only picking up coffee and donuts in the morning I wouldn't make a deal of it.