Do you want Jesse Benton involved in any capacity in Rand Paul 2016?

[phill4paul]

Refugee? No, I'm still an active member at the DP. My handle is "NowOrNever." Look me up.



Why am I trolling? Because you disagree with me about Benton?

What don't you get about post #17? Don't care to follow your handle because issues were much better discussed on these forums. IMHO.

 

[Deborah K]

...... winning an election doesn't always equate to electoral victory. The two are NOT one in the same.

Well no shit, Matt. Stop dodging and stick to the subject at hand, or avoid it altogether because you're just making yourself look foolish.

 

[phill4paul]

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[phill4paul]

What don't you get about post #17? Don't care to follow your handle because issues were much better discussed on these forums. IMHO.

Edit: And look at the damned numbers man. 80% know him for what he is on these forums.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

What don't you get about post #17?

What it's supposed to prove about Benton

Don't care to follow your handle because issues were much better discussed on these forums. IMHO.

I wasn't asking you to "follow" my handle at the DP. I thought by calling me a "refugee" you were suggesting that I had been banned (for being a troll?), so I was giving you the opportunity to verify that I had not in fact been banned.

 

[Deborah K]

I've been a Paulite since 2007, so I was there when the Benton-hating began, and I've probably read all the same stuff you have: I still don't get it.

I've had countless conversations at the Daily Paul over Benton, and I've yet to find anyone who can explain how he's a "traitor" or whatever.

It's one thing to say that he made poor choices for the campaign, impugning his motives is quite another.

And as for his competence: none of us had an inside view of the campaign, so how can we really judge the merit of his decisions?

...anyway, try to educate me if you want. I'm all ears.

I don't have time to rehash all the damage Benton has done to the movement. I met him in '07 when I was organizing Revolution March. I dealt with his bullshit when I was organizing P.A.U.L. Festival in '12. I have enough personal knowledge to convince me of his disdain for the grassroots. But there's a ton more shit on the guy - google it and see for yourself.

 

[Maltheus]

And what exactly was that?

Our state coordinator sat in a room with over 60 loyal and longtime Ron Paulers, in the biggest Republican county in our state (never once made an appearance before this) and promised to support the slate we had come up with (through elections). When the convention had come around, he slandered us by telling the rest of the state (those who didn't attend our regular meetings) that we were secretly with the Romney campaign, trying to derail Ron Paul. He then split our vote, getting people to vote for the slate he came up with (Santorum people who ALL ended up voting for Romney). Then he lied to everyone about how many RP delegates he had (everyone on these forums believed our state was a potential if not probably win for months thereafter).

After that fallout, the Santorum guy who worked with our coordinator (to get himself elected chairman) bragged about what he had done and how he had personally worked with Benton to get the plan approved. And this jibes with what the coordinator told us. We dominated the state convention, only to end up with 0 national votes.

As for my other problems with Benton, I have friends who've worked with him personally and they all described him as an abusive know-it-all, who can't take good advice. Which also jibes with the accounts I read on line. And then there is his foot-in-mouth disease, like when he accidentally dropped RP out of the race in '08, and we had to convince all the delegates that it wasn't true.

Nice to see that people are putting the end goal second to petty personality disputes

It's not a personality dispute. It's a recognition of a waste of time. I'm looking to change things in this country. Not help the Paul dynasty earn more income. I'd like to believe Rand is the real deal. Giving yet another welfare position to his relative would make me question that.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I don't have time to rehash all the damage Benton has done to the movement. I met him in '07 when I was organizing Revolution March. I dealt with his bullshit when I was organizing P.A.U.L. Festival in '12. I have enough personal knowledge to convince me of his disdain for the grassroots. But there's a ton more shit on the guy - google it and see for yourself.

You dont have time to make an argument against Benton. That's fine.

But I certainly don't have the time to revisit all the anti-Benton screeds scattered across the internet to refute them.

So...the end, I guess.

 

[CPUd]

I remember at the RNC the delegates who walked out told him they were going to have a press conference and he told them if they did it, don't sound like a bunch of crybabies.

It doesn't really matter to me who runs his hypothetical campaign; I'd hope that some of his current advisors are involved, because they've been doing a hell of a job lately.

Also, Jesse shouldn't be doing anything that involves communicating with the grassroots, because he sucks at that.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I remember at the RNC the delegates who walked out told him they were going to have a press conference and he told them if they did it, don't sound like a bunch of crybabies.

Is that supposed to be a mark against Benton?

To me, that sounds like good (albeit unwelcome) advice.

I'd hope that some of his current advisors are involved, because they've been doing a hell of a job lately.

Agreed, whoever's running the show right now (maybe Rand himself?) should just keep on truckin.

Also, Jesse shouldn't be doing anything that involves communicating with the grassroots, because he sucks at that.

The fact that he's so hated by the grassroots (even if that hatred is misplaced, as I believe it is), is probably good reason to keep him out of any kind of grassroots liaison role, agreed.

 

[Deborah K]

You dont have time to make an argument against Benton. That's fine.

But I certainly don't have the time to revisit all the anti-Benton screeds scattered across the internet to refute them.

So...the end, I guess.

So be it. Just bear in mind, while you're giving him the benefit of the doubt, that you don't have all the facts.

 

[angelatc]

You dont have time to make an argument against Benton. That's fine.

But I certainly don't have the time to revisit all the anti-Benton screeds scattered across the internet to refute them.

So...the end, I guess.

Deb does not need to make an argument against Benton. She's been here fighting the fight for 7 freaking years. We know exactly who Benton is and what he has done to deserve her disdain.

And I do mean deserve.

 

[phill4paul]

You dont have time to make an argument against Benton. That's fine.

But I certainly don't have the time to revisit all the anti-Benton screeds scattered across the internet to refute them.

So...the end, I guess.

Louisiana.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Louisiana.

Kashmir

?

LOL, but seriously, what about LA? Why don't you post the article describing whatever crime in Cajun country you're alleging Benton committed?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Deb does not need to make an argument against Benton.

Only if she wants to convince anyone

 

[angelatc]

Uh, actually did it ever cross your mind that maybe Ron's goal wasn't to become President?

Did it cross your mind that if that is true then he openly lied to us through two Presidential campaigns? And that means that you yourself lied to us during the second one?

OMFG. You never cease to amaze me.

You just thoroughly discredited yourself, as well as your candidate and his entire campaign....all for the sake of puffing yourself up to some random stranger on the internet.

And Benton hired you, IIRC.

 

[angelatc]

Kashmir

?

LOL, but seriously, what about LA? Why don't you post the article describing whatever crime in Cajun country you're alleging Benton committed?

Why don't you go back to The Daily Paul? It is absolutely asinine of you to join today just to try to mock us for opinions that we have developed over the course of 7 years, some of us in a direct relationship with the campaigns.

You've read stuff. Isn't that nice?

Let me assure you that we've seen and done much more.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I see. You've been a member of an internet forum for 7 years, therefore your assertions should be taken on faith, no facts or arguments required.

Color me unimpressed.

 

[Deborah K]

I see. You've been a member of an internet forum for 7 years, therefore your assertions should be taken on faith, no facts or arguments required.

Color me unimpressed.

Troll is trolling.

 

[twomp]

I see. You've been a member of an internet forum for 7 years, therefore your assertions should be taken on faith, no facts or arguments required.

Color me unimpressed.

It's not taken on faith. It's on experience. They have direct experience with the campaign. Something which you do not have. Your assertions are the ones based on faith. Faith and lack of knowledge.