Do you support the removal of all trade barriers with other nations?

[Carson]

We haven't had free trade or a capitalist system for decades.

When we started allowing people to tap into the honest people profits and wealth the free market and capitalism withered on the vine. You just can't impose that much socialism and expect anything to survive.

The little bumps during time of war were other times the government introduced fiat money into the system. It was later withdraw and the system returned to a dollar you could bank on.

The line showing the devaluation of the dollar responds to any type of counterfeiting no matter who does it. Without and audit of the central banks we have allowed others out side of our country the ability to print up what ever it takes to get their way. The problem now is world wide. We're not the only country that has been taken in.

We may stand up to them for a moment but they are like the walking dead. You may put them down and they may lay there for a while but anyone that has ever watched a science fiction movie know as soon as your guard is down they will rise up and get you.

Welcome to the new world order.

Actually this picture is pretty unjust. As you can see the problem has been around and quit acute regardless of who the latest new world order shill is.

 

[Southron]

Not worth it. Sometimes I forget that this is just the internet. I am here to get guys like Glen Bradley elected and not get into a pissing match with some kid.

 

[ProIndividual]

First, you have already called me most of those names so you can't stoop much lower.

You have no clue how low I can stoop...lol. And no I didn't call you those names, unless you earned them.

Second, China is already supplying parts for our military planes.

And how does this endanger national security, to get ball bearings or hinges? Obviously they aren't assembling our stealth and no idiot would or could allow that to happen, so the point is moot.

Third, China's economy is set to overtake ours in 2016.

No it's not, that cap, cut, and whatever pledge is a scare tactic (I'm guessing that's where you got that number from, or from the erroneous source they site for it). No one with half an understanding of economics thinks China is about to overtake us in the next decade, let alone in 4 years. We could go through national bankruptcy and still emerge with a larger GDP, per household income, individual real compensation rate, and lower unemployment rate.

Finally, I hope you don't talk to people like that in person or "someone" is going to knock your teeth out and laugh at your NAP.

I highly doubt that would happen...and if you want to threaten me, I'll call you a lot more than what you think I have already, dim witted keyboard tough guy.

Only a punk makes idiotic statements like that. You aren't that "someone", and I ain't the type who fights fair. Let's just drop this bully bullshit talk now. Are you a child? Or a man who can't win an argument? You are definately one or the other.

I'm through with your arrogant shit. Don't bother replying to anything else I post.

Perhaps my arrogance is real, but I know for sure your willful ignorance is. You'll wake up eventually, or be on the back side of the Kuhnian Paradigm Shift like all the other old people who are giving way to young who still have open minds.


Hey Zombie:

"Moooooaaaannnnn China."

 

[josh b]

Holy crap, I go on vacation for five days and this thread is still here.

Props to ProIndividual and Cutlerzzz. You guys are much better at explaining this than I am.

 

[tpreitzel]

Thankfully, regardless of the "free trade" crusaders, this view of global "free trade" will likely never be adopted voluntarily by the American people.

 

[showpan]

Thankfully, regardless of the "free trade" crusaders, this view of global "free trade" will likely never be adopted voluntarily by the American people.

I doubt we will even make it to another election. It's just a matter of time before the tens of millions of unemployed who know they have been snookered start to revolt. Something is going to snap soon as people are becoming more desperate.

 

[The Grinning Maniac]

I have a few points to make, to respond to some things to ProInd and some others have said. Will post soon. Hopefully the thread hasn't turned into a total flame war by then.

"NO, YOU SIR, ARE THE SUCKER OF COCKS!"

"NO YOU"

 

[osan]

I agree...and since we only should debate this, really, on the state level, is we are really Constitutionalists, we cannot advocate for the feds to govern the economy AT ALL.

Agreed. I am, however, not even sure the states should be interfering.

Taken to the global level, it is not clear that a perfectly free market would be able to thrive in an environment of global governmental interference. The phenomenon of lowest denominator seems to hold a position of great significance in such affairs. Consider warfare - an example from our own revolution might serve well to illustrate how it is so. While the Brits were standing in straight ranks, our guys were hiding behind trees, picking off their officers. This was considered disgusting and cowardly by the Brits, yet in the end we prevailed over them and in time their "noble" method gave way to that of the "cowardly" Americans. Why? Because it worked better and in the end, winning became more important than how one played the game. This is as it is today. The lowest denominator of pure pragmatism triumphs over higher principle in virtually all governmental decision making.

Another example come from contact with police where we find no consideration of the humanity and dignity of people whatsoever. Just cold, spiritless treatment of one's fellows as objects. This is now standard procedure in virtually all police procedures. Note that objectification of a population is an age old method for prepping another population to treat them not as their fellows, but as aliens - as enemies. This is precisely how police now generally view everyone else. Once again a lower denominator has become the new standard because it brings an ever greater number of once taboo behaviors into acceptability, which in turn grows the power of the state and further marginalizing the mundane individual.

 

[osan]

Thankfully, regardless of the "free trade" crusaders, this view of global "free trade" will likely never be adopted voluntarily by the American people.

It will be adopted involuntarily. Result is the same.

Way too much "don't worry, be happy" syndrome here these days to be confident that enough will just say no.

 

[osan]

Sencond...China doesn't make our defense stuff...we do.

Yes and no. I have worked in defense and at one point knew the inner workings of some state of the art ECM and FC systems. Many of the chips were made outside of the USA. So in fact we are not making everything in the USA and Rifleman's question is valid.

Do not make the mistake of conflating the rational self interest of China or any other nation with that of the USA. Under most circumstances there will be significant overlap, but when circumstances introduce strong diversions from the status quo, all bets may be off. All manner of things alter one's notion of rational. We find Muslim suicide bombers wholly irrational. I suspect they see us precisely the same way. The point here is that if a nation such as China decides upon a broad stroke, strategic agenda item that for them is very important, and it happens to involve taking an opportunity to de-nut the USA in some way, it may well turn out that the price they pay, as well as the risks they assume in taking such course of action are looked upon as being worthwhile. It may also superficially appear to us as utterly irrational. People do all manner of seemingly wild stuff.

 

[Danke]

Not worth it. Sometimes I forget that this is just the internet. I am here to get guys like Glen Bradley elected and not get into a pissing match with some kid.

Slow learner. :collins:

 

[ProIndividual]

some kid

No kids here. Don't threaten people, and then play like you're the adult. BTW, it also doesn't erase your original threat to edit it out. YOU are the child here...incapable of debate without threatening someone. Too bad you are intellectaully in over your head, huh?

 

[ProIndividual]

Thankfully, regardless of the "free trade" crusaders, this view of global "free trade" will likely never be adopted voluntarily by the American people.

Free trade is defined as trade with NO government interference. Therefore, it will be put in place voluntarily, as soon as protectionists stop using govt guns and laws to trample the American peoples property rights.

You mean "fair trade", or "balaced trade", or "reciprocal trade" will never be put in place voluntarily...as they are not voluntary at all!

The only kind of trade that is voluntary is that which has NO government influence beyond prosecuting harm (fraud, etc.)...that's free trade, not protectionism at all.

How can you think governments telling you what you may or may not buy (or sell, or who to hire), to protect domestic oligarchs, is somehow "voluntary"?

The logical conflict is self evident. You do not respect private property rights to do anything else but FREE trade.