Do you support abolishing the military?

Should the Federal Military be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 51 45.1%

  • No

    Votes: 48 42.5%

  • Just the Army

    Votes: 14 12.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Yeaw yeaw yeaw.
Militia's have a history of brutalizing Amercans far worse than standing armies.

Navy is wonderful. Uh... Guess what branch is the first one moving into position to attack Syria and almost every other war we have been in.

They can't attack us..... logistics are so great it can't be done.... Yeaw ask the Iraqis, Germans, Vietnamese whether an army can cross oceans and invade them..
Yeaw go unconstitutional AF! Drones anyone.

You better worry about changing leaders for without that, any force can be tailored to kill you from the militia to the AF and you aren't going to care what uniform drained the last blood from your dying body.
 
No the military has traditional been downsized after wars to skeleton screws that can be rapidly expanded in time of war. The military as a hole can be gutted quite a bit, and still retain the ability to fight. We do need to retain a well trained fighting force. Personally I believe in the 21st century NOT maintaining a defensive professional military would be naive and dangerous. I am pro militia, however, a militia cannot compete with a professional force. They can definitely augment and bolster forces, but to reason they can maintain a level of proficiency on par with a force that consistently trains is a fallacy. Even a war vet loses proficiency over time despite his ego may not.
 
I think reducing the size and expenditure generally of all the armed forces is essential, was the continental army disbanded after independence or merged into the states militias? I think the National Guard should be reformed to be again State defense civil voluntary militias. The Air force and Navy need to be reduced so it can be an effective defense force but not be used to play games of Empire any longer either. But to be quite honest I do not think Humpty dumpty can be ever put back together, And if by some miracle the old republic is restored there is no guarantee that sooner or latter we'll be back to this situation. I think that once the whole system collapses we should vie for a voluntarist society instead where people are allowed to organize themselves as they see fit.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
The army, at any rate.

Not sure how citizens militias would handle the navy.


The Vets obeyed when they were told to deploy overseas, what makes you think they'll rebel when we're attacked by the police?

I mean, I'm not saying none of them will, but how many do you think we can count on?



If you assume every "Yes" vote is an ancap its like 40%. I don't really see why that's a problem.

As I've said, I agree with the Founders.


Why a Space Force? Unless extraterrestrials actually show their faces, and decide to attack... Earth?

If you're talking about space exploration/NASA I see no reason not to leave that kind of thing to the free market.
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... it's not what you think. Our space force is comprised of the ICBMs and associated space born defense technology.
 
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AFPVet said:
... it's not what you think. Our space force is comprised of the ICBMs and associated space born defense technology.
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Oh, OK.

I have a problem with ICBMs, but at the same time, as long as other people have them we kind of have to. I could never condone using them though, and its impossible to really do so in "Defense." They're a deterrent, but they can't actually be used for defense.
 
FreedomFanatic said:
Oh, OK.

I have a problem with ICBMs, but at the same time, as long as other people have them we kind of have to. I could never condone using them though, and its impossible to really do so in "Defense." They're a deterrent, but they can't actually be used for defense.
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I hope we never have to use them. There are no winners in a strategic launch of ICBMs; however, if there were ET invaders, those ICBMs could be calibrated to deal with that threat lol.
 
AFPVet said:
I hope we never have to use them. There are no winners in a strategic launch of ICBMs; however, if there were ET invaders, those ICBMs could be calibrated to deal with that threat lol.
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I guess we can cross THAT bridge when we come to it. Somehow I don't imagine that happening...
 
AFPVet said:
I hope we never have to use them. There are no winners in a strategic launch of ICBMs; however, if there were ET invaders, those ICBMs could be calibrated to deal with that threat lol.
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Defense of our air space is no different than the defense of our shores and sea shipping lanes etc. As for "extraterrestrial threats", I would suspect that the possible impact of an asteroid might also be a consideration for the maintenance of a space entity with access to thermonuclear devices and delivery apparatus, etc.
 
I want to change my answer. Instead of "yes" I want to vote no.

I don't support abolishing the military, I just support voluntarizing it.

The same goes for everything else the government does.
 
I would make it a purely voluntary thing. I would reverse the reforms of Marius and deprofessionalize the military. You might say make it an organization of Amateurs which the sport of golf proves can be very good at what they do.' The Marine Corps, for example wouldn't be abolished it just wouldn't be a job. I think the Ancient Greek model is best in this regard.

I wouldn't abolish it, but I would see it changed.
 
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end it, don't "mend" it.

edit - score update: peacemongers lead by 2 over peacedoubters
 
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FrankRep said:
Ron Paul: "reduce military spending," not abolish.
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I can't watch it right now. But is that just something he proposed as part of his campaign? Because you said "does not want to," not "did not campaign to."
 
erowe1 said:
I want to change my answer. Instead of "yes" I want to vote no.

I don't support abolishing the military, I just support voluntarizing it.

The same goes for everything else the government does.
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I'll endorse that.
 
erowe1 said:
I can't watch it right now. But is that just something he proposed as part of his campaign? Because you said "does not want to," not "did not campaign to."
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Wow. Did you just call Ron Paul a liar? Not cool dude. The video was made Aug. 20, 2012.
 
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