Do you support abolishing the military?
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I don't support a standing army, I do support a Federal Navy, for basically the same reasons as the Founders.
I think air force would fall more under navy than army, but I could be convinced otherwise.
I think air force would fall more under navy than army, but I could be convinced otherwise.
I'll stand with Ron Paul and say "reduce military spending," but not abolish.
Ron Paul: Stop Nation Building & Cut Military Spending to Keep Us Free and Safe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxPU--f01wE
Ron Paul: Stop Nation Building & Cut Military Spending to Keep Us Free and Safe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxPU--f01wE
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I could see scaling back to the Navy and "National Guard" along with the Coast Guard.
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Amen! "You must spread some reputation around"... Yeah, I owe you one.
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Theres no middle ground? is it going to be a slow transition to a more free market protection system or is a yes answer be that we close down shop immediately and expose US citizen to invasion from Russia and China?
At without further clarification, my vote is no. You dont junk your crappy car before you get a replacement for it
At without further clarification, my vote is no. You dont junk your crappy car before you get a replacement for it
How would China and Russia invade? The logistics would be mind boggling and they would both need giantic expansions of their military. Furthermore, what would their incentive be? China would destroy their economy completely. Russia is far too poor to attempt something like that if they wanted.
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Perhaps.
Considering we can't cut a dollar over ten years I think it would be best to think about what is at least remotely realistic.
I consider today's police force to be the standing army. Dissolve them. Sheriffs, perhaps. Locally. And even then restrained.
The army? People should be trained. If ever there was a time, which wouldn't be anytime soon, to be clear, that we needed an army mobilized and trained to fight another well trained and funded army, we should be ready. You asked somewhat of hard question to answer in such simple terms. Our diplomacy would have to change. Dollar hegemony ended. The people willing to work. Am I to assume these things happen? Seems to be wishful thinking. Besides all that the entire mind frame of the people would have to change. Indeed they would have to accept their safety as their responsibility. I believe in national defense but nowhere near what we have today. (which is so bloated and overbearing as it hurts national defense) We can have a well maintained and trained army for much cheaper than we do now. Cutting the DoD budget by upwards of 80% would limit how adventurous they really could be. Again though it doesn't matter unless the people change. Until they hold their Representatives and Senators accountable. Us harassing and bullying the world would have to be a thing of the past and that doesn't seem realistic anytime soon.
My answer would be, eventually, probably. As it stands, no. Though I would put them back to a 1990 or so level. CIA, NSA, and most of the other 15 or so intelligence agencies dissolved. The FBI dissolved. The DEA and TSA and BATF dissolved. A lot of people would be being prosecuted for their crimes as well. From the fraud charge dodging MIC to the politicians who violated their Oath of Office.
Time to wake up from the day dream. We will be bombing Syria and soon enough be in Iran. Conscientious objector, I suppose I'll have to be. I don't see a volunteer army lasting much longer.
Considering we can't cut a dollar over ten years I think it would be best to think about what is at least remotely realistic.
I consider today's police force to be the standing army. Dissolve them. Sheriffs, perhaps. Locally. And even then restrained.
The army? People should be trained. If ever there was a time, which wouldn't be anytime soon, to be clear, that we needed an army mobilized and trained to fight another well trained and funded army, we should be ready. You asked somewhat of hard question to answer in such simple terms. Our diplomacy would have to change. Dollar hegemony ended. The people willing to work. Am I to assume these things happen? Seems to be wishful thinking. Besides all that the entire mind frame of the people would have to change. Indeed they would have to accept their safety as their responsibility. I believe in national defense but nowhere near what we have today. (which is so bloated and overbearing as it hurts national defense) We can have a well maintained and trained army for much cheaper than we do now. Cutting the DoD budget by upwards of 80% would limit how adventurous they really could be. Again though it doesn't matter unless the people change. Until they hold their Representatives and Senators accountable. Us harassing and bullying the world would have to be a thing of the past and that doesn't seem realistic anytime soon.
My answer would be, eventually, probably. As it stands, no. Though I would put them back to a 1990 or so level. CIA, NSA, and most of the other 15 or so intelligence agencies dissolved. The FBI dissolved. The DEA and TSA and BATF dissolved. A lot of people would be being prosecuted for their crimes as well. From the fraud charge dodging MIC to the politicians who violated their Oath of Office.
Time to wake up from the day dream. We will be bombing Syria and soon enough be in Iran. Conscientious objector, I suppose I'll have to be. I don't see a volunteer army lasting much longer.
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I won't be participating in "noncombative service" either.
I'll have enough blood guilt just from paying taxes.
If they try to force me to make the weapons, I'd either rig them or outright refuse.
I'll have enough blood guilt just from paying taxes.
If they try to force me to make the weapons, I'd either rig them or outright refuse.
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Your thoughts on legal requirement for 18 year olds to sign up for selective service (although I'm pretty sure what you will say). Thanks, FF.
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Obviously I'm opposed. Slavery is always wrong.
That said, I am currently signed up. That may have been stupid of me, but I am currently signed up.
That said, unless someone actually invades the country, I won't be "serving."
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The only reason I did it was for financial aid. I guess it was a gamble that hopefully there won't be a draft anytime soon. That may have been stupid, but that's why I did it.
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Well, I don't think it was stupid. The notice to register is pretty scary, although we've discovered they have not prosecuted anyone for declining to register. We will never apply for government assistance of any kind, even for higher education.
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Yes, but abolishing the army is a crazy idea. As far as I'm concerned, dumping its foreign commitments and downgrading its capacity to project force overseas would suffice.
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