Do you really own your house if you have to pay property taxes?

[speciallyblend]

nope you never own your house!!! if they want your property. they just raise property taxes until you have to sell or lose it. It is the american way, the dreams are dead!!

 

[Echoes]

A large portion of property taxes typically go to public dronification (aka schools). Getting rid of that mandate would be a good first step.

 

[ctiger2]

No you don't. I propose a ban on all primary residence property taxes.

 

[jkr]

nope

 

[BenIsForRon]

Why are you guys hating on the property tax so much but you're fine with Ron Paul's suggestion of collecting revenue through tariffs? Either way property is being taxed. The only difference in Ron Paul's suggestion is that it's taxed at the time of changing ownership, so I guess it doesn't feel as bad?

And to those of you saying China is so awesome because they don't tax property, don't forget that the Chinese government has stolen land outright throughout the years from millions of its people. They might not tax you on it now, but if turns out they'd like to let GM put a factory on your land, you're shit out of luck.

 

[ctiger2]

Why are you guys hating on the property tax so much but you're fine with Ron Paul's suggestion of collecting revenue through tariffs? Either way property is being taxed. The only difference in Ron Paul's suggestion is that it's taxed at the time of changing ownership, so I guess it doesn't feel as bad?

Tariffs are on IMPORTED goods. These tariffs are a 1 time tax.
Property taxes are on land that can't be exported. I pay yearly property taxes.

Maybe every imported good everyone buys should be taxed yearly?

 

[Anti Federalist]

No, you're nothing more than a serf.

Try not paying property tax for a year.

You'll quickly find who really owns your land.

 

[furface]

A bit socialistic? That is straight out of Karl Marx Communist Manifesto. Land "reform" is the foundation for most communist revolutions and the first thing that they do once they win. This is the polar opposite of a libertarian position.

You clearly haven't thought through some of the issues surrounding libertarianism. First of all the interaction between ownership and the State is not very well defined in an absolute sense. States enforce ownership, so it is somewhat arbitrary for the State to decide in the cases of natural resources who should own them or not.

If you look at records for UK history, the Queen of England should "own" half of Britain and a good part of the rest of the world. Just because some arbitrary deed from a hundred years ago says that somebody is entitled to exclusive use of a part of the Earth, it doesn't morally mean their descendants should have that use in perpetuity.

Certainly enough land to support ones family should be secured and irrevocable. However, it's very difficult to come up with a reason from natural rights that would justify the State protecting a single individual's right to exclusive use of millions of acres of land/water or entire mines for a private individual's use.

People absolutely have a right to their own labor and the benefits of their labor without confiscation in the form of taxation or otherwise. However, claims that the State should use violence to protect huge caches of natural resources for single individuals are extremely dubious. Remember, "ownership" implies that the State will use violence to enforce such rights.

Unequal entitlement to natural resources is actually a very statist concept, essentially saying that the state should intervene to enforce unequal distribution of natural resources.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Why are you guys hating on the property tax so much but you're fine with Ron Paul's suggestion of collecting revenue through tariffs? Either way property is being taxed. The only difference in Ron Paul's suggestion is that it's taxed at the time of changing ownership, so I guess it doesn't feel as bad?

And to those of you saying China is so awesome because they don't tax property, don't forget that the Chinese government has stolen land outright throughout the years from millions of its people. They might not tax you on it now, but if turns out they'd like to let GM put a factory on your land, you're shit out of luck.

Tarrifs, revenue or protective, are only applied when products are transferred between market entities i.e., only during commercial activity.

Property taxes are collected even if you have no intention of selling your property and are just sitting on it and there is no "commerce" in process.

 

[AZKing]

The county owns your property, not you.

 

[BenIsForRon]

I definitely think property tax should be reformed, as in agriculture and other rural property should have very little tax, if any. But local governments need to collect revenue somehow, and if they tax the shopping mall for their giant parking lot I'm not gonna bitch too much.

 

[freshjiva]

The worst thing about property taxes is that they are based on an appraisal value.

In other words, you get taxed based on what some unelected bureaucrat says your home is worth, and let me tell you, from my experience, they don't care about the real estate market. They make up their own numbers. Hmm, I definitely don't see a conflict of interest here. Does anyone else?

Imagine if sales taxes were assessed on what the government thinks the item is worth instead of what you actually paid for.

This is why I don't like the whole "States rights" argument either. Government is government. I agree local government is better than federal, but either way, there's always someone trying to put their hands in your pocket.

 

[doodle]

A large portion of property taxes typically go to public dronification (aka schools). Getting rid of that mandate would be a good first step.

So people who don't have kids in these schools are subsidising other people's kids expenses? Isn't that socialism in concept?

 

[speciallyblend]

Why are you guys hating on the property tax so much but you're fine with Ron Paul's suggestion of collecting revenue through tariffs? Either way property is being taxed. The only difference in Ron Paul's suggestion is that it's taxed at the time of changing ownership, so I guess it doesn't feel as bad?

And to those of you saying China is so awesome because they don't tax property, don't forget that the Chinese government has stolen land outright throughout the years from millions of its people. They might not tax you on it now, but if turns out they'd like to let GM put a factory on your land, you're shit out of luck.

2 things the chinese gov and us gov have in common f'in its people!!

 

[demolama]

Tariff is not a direct tax on the people. Property tax is

 

[Lmata]

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Imagine if sales taxes were assessed on what the government thinks the item is worth instead of what you actually paid for.
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They do this in Texas for car sales. I just bought a car for less than the blue book. It needed a good cleaning on the inside and had several dents on the body. Well, went to pay tax and had to pay on the "value" rather than sales price. The only way around it would have been to get it appraised at a dealership.

We are now giving a vehicle to a good friend of ours. Yep, they have to pay sales tax on the car even though there was no money that changed hands. It isn't even a barter type situation. You can't get around it unless you give it to a family member. If I were to sell the car it would sell for about $500 but will be "taxed" on $1700.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Tariff is not a direct tax on the people. Property tax is

If you don't pay a tariff you get thrown in jail. I would call that a direct tax. Same outcome as if you didn't pay property tax.

 

[AdamT]

You might own the house itself, but you sure as hell don't own what the house is sitting on. The whole idea of "buying land" is the biggest scam. First you pay out the ass to "buy" it, then enter into a lifetime of servitude rent payments to the government landlord. How is that owning the land?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Property taxes = renting from government. Therefore we do not have private property rights in most states. Until that changes, the US as a free country is a sham.

This^^

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Remember...

Beginning January 1, 2013, ObamaCare imposes a 3.8% Medicare tax on unearned income, including the sale of single family homes, townhouses, co-ops, condominiums, and even rental income.


Do you see the Republicrats ending that now?