Do the Koch Brothers Promote the Teachings of Ludwig von Mises?

[Ender]

Obama is not a Neo-Conservative. Obama didn't even pretend to be conservative. Obama is a liberal progressive.

Get out much?

The neocons and the progs are 2 sides of the same coin- they just use different talking points to fool the masses. NOTHING that Obama has done in could have happened without W first putting things in place- and a little help from Romney.

 

[FrankRep]

No. I'm pointing out a logical inconsistency.

You're criticizing the Koch brothers for not being anarchists and that's just silly.

 

[Ender]

Ron Paul was crushed in the GOP primary. The "good guy" had no change of winning.

And where were the Kochs during the primary?

 

[FrankRep]

Get out much?

The neocons and the progs are 2 sides of the same coin- they just use different talking points to fool the masses. NOTHING that Obama has done in could have happened without W first putting things in place- and a little help from Romney.

Ender, you're misusing the "Neoconservative" term.

Obama isn't pretending to be a Conservative.

Defining Terms: What is a Neoconservative (Neocon)?

 

[FrankRep]

And where were the Kochs during the primary?

David Koch backed Mitt Romney in 2012.


Looking to 2012, Republicans Vie for Big Donors

The New York Times
November 12, 2010

Over the summer, Mr. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, invited top bundlers of campaign checks from key states to his vacation home in New Hampshire on several occasions to help firm up their commitments. Mr. Romney has already lined up an array of prominent supporters, including a billionaire, David Koch, who has donated heavily to conservative causes over the years, ...​

 

[Ender]

Ender, you're misusing the "Neoconservative" term.

Obama isn't pretending to be a Conservative.

Defining Terms: What is a Neoconservative (Neocon)?

I know exactly what a neoconservative is.

Tell me the differences between O & W?

 

[Ender]

David Koch backed Mitt Romney in 2012.


Looking to 2012, Republicans Vie for Big Donors

The New York Times
November 12, 2010

Over the summer, Mr. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, invited top bundlers of campaign checks from key states to his vacation home in New Hampshire on several occasions to help firm up their commitments. Mr. Romney has already lined up an array of prominent supporters, including a billionaire, David Koch, who has donated heavily to conservative causes over the years, ...​

Exactly- they were not interested in backing the freedom candidate and the one man that could have actually beaten Obama.

 

[FrankRep]

I know exactly what a neoconservative is.

Tell me the differences between O & W?

No real difference between them. They are apart of the network of Insiders.

However, Obama isn't pretend to be a Conservative. George Bush, however, does pretend to be a Conservative.

Although former President Bush's spokespeople have vehemently denied that the President ever said he would have endorsed Obama over McCain if he had been asked, Bush's statement seems in line with what too few partisan Democrats and Republicans are willing to acknowledge: that differences between former President Bush and President Obama are mostly cosmetic.​

Bush and Obama: Standards & Similarities


The New American
30 November 2010

 

[FrankRep]

Exactly- they were not interested in backing the freedom candidate and the one man that could have actually beaten Obama.

Ron Paul couldn't even win the Republican Primary, how could he possible win the general election?

Yes, I'm a strong Ron Paul supporter and I voted for him.

 

[FrankRep]

Rand Paul has a major chance of winning the Republican Primary.

I fully support Rand Paul and I hope you all will too.

 

[familydog]

You're criticizing the Koch brothers for not being anarchists and that's just silly.

Logical consistency and anarchy go hand-in-hand. So, I suppose you could look at it like this.

 

[FrankRep]

Logical consistency and anarchy go hand-in-hand. So, I suppose you could look at it like this.

Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Justin Amash, and Thomas Massie are not Anarchists. I don't support anarchy. Sorry.

 

[Ender]

Ron Paul couldn't even win the Republican Primary, how could he possible win the general election?

Yes, I'm a strong Ron Paul supporter and I voted for him.

I repeat:

Where were the Koch Bros during the primaries?

 

[Ender]

No real difference between them. They are apart of the network of Insiders.

However, Obama isn't pretend to be a Conservative. George Bush, however, does pretend to be a Conservative.

Although former President Bush's spokespeople have vehemently denied that the President ever said he would have endorsed Obama over McCain if he had been asked, Bush's statement seems in line with what too few partisan Democrats and Republicans are willing to acknowledge: that differences between former President Bush and President Obama are mostly cosmetic.​

Bush and Obama: Standards & Similarities


The New American
30 November 2010

This proves my point- they are both neocons- which are NOT conservatives.

 

[FrankRep]

This proves my point- they are both neocons- which are NOT conservatives.

They are connected to the network of insiders, yes. They are evil, yes.

But.. but.. but... Obama is not a Neoconservative, he's a liberal progressive. You're still misusing the "neoconservative" term.

 

[Ender]

They are connected to the network of insiders, yes. They are evil, yes.

But.. but.. but... Obama is not a Neoconservative, he's a liberal progressive. You're still misusing the "neoconservative" term.

But.. but.. but... neocons are progressives; they changed the party terms and have fooled the masses ever since. Do you really think that Buckley was a "conservative"?

 

[FrankRep]

But.. but.. but... neocons are progressives; they changed the party terms and have fooled the masses ever since. Do you really think that Buckley was a "conservative"?

Yes, that is true. Neoconservatives are liberal/progressive/socialists.

However, Neoconservatives only pretend to be Conservatives. Obama is not pretending to be a Conservative, he's a straight up liberal/progressive/socialist.

 

[GregSarnowski]

The Koch's have vast business interests and they tend to support candidate's who are friendly to those interests. They want mainstream politicians who will help push for regulations which stymie upstart competition in their industries but can easily be absorbed by the existing conglomerates that they own. They typically don't want libertarians and constitutional conservatives who are going to legitimately threaten the corporatist status-quo that they benefit so handsomely from. This is why they supported Grayson over Paul in the primary. I'm not passing judgement because every major corporation is entwined with the federal government in this way and it would be a disservice to stock holders not to be. The blame as usual rests with the government overstepping it's bounds.

That said the organizations they fund are usually pretty good, even though as far as economics goes I would place them closer to the Chicago school instead of the Austrian, although Ron Paul's popularity among young people in the past 5 years, and the message he has espoused, has probably started to change that.

 

[Ender]

Yes, that is true. Neoconservatives are liberal/progressive/socialists.

However, Neoconservatives only pretend to be Conservatives. Obama is not pretending to be a Conservative, he's a straight up liberal/progressive/socialist.

O is not pretending to be a neocon but he is one, in actuality; he and Bush are no different and that goes for most of the presidents in the last 100 years.

We agree more than we disagree, FP.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

David Koch backed Mitt Romney in 2012.


Looking to 2012, Republicans Vie for Big Donors

The New York Times
November 12, 2010

Over the summer, Mr. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, invited top bundlers of campaign checks from key states to his vacation home in New Hampshire on several occasions to help firm up their commitments. Mr. Romney has already lined up an array of prominent supporters, including a billionaire, David Koch, who has donated heavily to conservative causes over the years, ...​

From a single donor... Sheldon Adelson donated the most in 2012 to the GOP/PACs... $150+ Million

I still think of the Kabuki Theater staged moment at the Tampa convention, when Romney came walking in on the big nominee announcement... the cameras covered him up to a hand shake or two from the Koch brothers and the Money Master, then magically, TV cameras went to showing the crowds... until the hand shakes with the money bundlers was over, then back to the Marionette Mitt.