Do Children have rights?

[porcupine]

What is a "right" if not guaranteed?

What "rights" do you have in anarchy?

The only valid rights are those recognized and agreed upon by society.

Obviously there was disagreement over where rights come from by the Founding Fathers or else they wouldn't have added the Bill of Rights.

Nonsense.

Our rights are inherent and endowed by our creator. Whether or not they are enforced or violated is another thing.

Saying our rights have to be "agreed upon by society"is just another way of saying majority rules. Rights are NOT democratic. Rights exist whether 51% of the people agree with it or not. My rights are not dependent on what another person thinks about it. They belong to me as an individual.

 

[Conza88]

Lower the driving age to 13!

Didn't feel like addressing anything else there?

 

[revolutionist]

You say young people cannot take responibility for their own well being. Have you ever wondered why?

They are legally forbidden to move out! Society and public education infantilize them!

The more we restrict youth the more we make them immature.

As far as logic and reasoning, Piaget said that we reach full operational thinking at around or before 16.

A very interesting read on this subject is

The Case Against Adolescence By Dr. Robert Epstein

 

[Kludge]

(Sorry Conza, saw this post as I was going to bed a few days ago and forgot about it.)

Tell me, do you have the RIGHT to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness in anarchy Kludge?

No, hence the failure of natural rights and government coexisting. Rights are made by man and only effective if protected. It isn't feasible to have a government that protects rights (thus making them valid) without stealing property. Interestingly, while Locke declared property a natural right, Jefferson changed property to the "pursuit of happiness" in the Declaration of Independence.

Following your logic, you've just made yourself a slave. And what's more sick, is you do it willingly. Why are you even here? If all you do is contend that society decides on what your rights will be. Which you have confirmed with... "then it is so."

If society does not decide on what is and is not your rights, then wtf are you bitching about? You have all your rights, right? If you believe in natural rights then YOU must believe yourself a slave because you do not stand up to the violation of your rights.

Following that premise; well say there is a one world government, or the entire society of the world believes you don't own property. That you don't own your body... Sounds AWFULLY socialistic to me Kludge... I guess, "then it is so" right?

If society gives consent by electing representatives who wish it to be so, it is. "Ought" is not "is" in reality. So long as the government has the consent of the governed, they may do as they wish. It is our privilege to change that, probably only because we HAVE a Republic instead of a Democracy. The Constitution was designed primarily by the wealthy elite who sought to maintain the status quo and remain in power.

 

[Conza88]

No, hence the failure of natural rights and government coexisting. Rights are made by man and only effective if protected. It isn't feasible to have a government that protects rights (thus making them valid) without stealing property. Interestingly, while Locke declared property a natural right, Jefferson changed property to the "pursuit of happiness" in the Declaration of Independence.

Yeah Jefferson went by Natural Law, not natural rights.

If society does not decide on what is and is not your rights, then wtf are you bitching about? You have all your rights, right? If you believe in natural rights then YOU must believe yourself a slave because you do not stand up to the violation of your rights.

I'm bitching because of the injustice. I value the rule of law. Libertarianism is at it's base what law should be. Yet which is not just, is not law. - Garrison. I'm against some state, who proposes to have a monopoly of the "legitimate" use of violence, can take my property or incarcerate me via the threat of violence if I don't. They are criminals. They are coercive. They are bastards. I just want to be left the ---- alone. Slave? I suggest you read "How I found Freedom in an Unfree World"

If society gives consent by electing representatives who wish it to be so, it is. "Ought" is not "is" in reality. So long as the government has the consent of the governed, they may do as they wish. It is our privilege to change that, probably only because we HAVE a Republic instead of a Democracy. The Constitution was designed primarily by the wealthy elite who sought to maintain the status quo and remain in power.

So you blame the elite here.. but in the other thread, you blame the poor - for keeping it this way.

14. Children and Rights

4. Natural Law and Natural Rights

3. Natural Law versus Positive Law

2. Natural Law as 'Science'

1. Natural Law and Reason

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