DJIA, NYSE, S&P = CRASH!!!

Sounds about right, except he's only a mouthpiece for the same global banking families that will maintain control of the system after the reset. Shell game, iow.

Are you sure all the families are the same. I have a hunch there is much power plays occurring. China at the low end since they have little control over their local government...massive corruption.

I would say United States is at the top, and the families in power in the five eyes. Their farms are tightly controlled and manipulated, with the people willingly obeying.
 
Enh, you just say that because you think the thing they're inverting is bound to always go up.

How about an inverse fund of gold? What would you say to that, Zippy?

No, he're pretty much correct. Inverse ETFs generate a ton of costs that regular ETFs don't because they have to use leverage, futures contracts, derivatives etc to generate returns close to the inverse on short time scales. I don't think holding inverse ETFs long term, regardless of whether its stocks or gold, makes sense for pretty much all retail investors.
 
Are you sure all the families are the same. I have a hunch there is much power plays occurring. China at the low end since they have little control over their local government...massive corruption.

I would say United States is at the top, and the families in power in the five eyes. Their farms are tightly controlled and manipulated, with the people willingly obeying.

Does it really matter if the families are all the same? The power isn't returned to the people regardless. It's the same game as the Republican/Democrat paradigm just on a much larger scale.

eta: I'm familiar with the families but is liberty really anything more than just another gimmick if a top-down approach is always taken? Like Ron said, liberty is a new idea.
 
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The S&P has fallen quite a bit since May of this year but the bull market starting in March of 2009 is still intact.

So this recent bearish activity could wind up just being a healthy correction rather than a full-on crash.
 
The S&P has fallen quite a bit since May of this year but the bull market starting in March of 2009 is still intact.

So this recent bearish activity could wind up just being a healthy correction rather than a full-on crash.

only if the fed keeps pumping out free money .
 
No, he're pretty much correct. Inverse ETFs generate a ton of costs that regular ETFs don't because they have to use leverage, futures contracts, derivatives etc to generate returns close to the inverse on short time scales. I don't think holding inverse ETFs long term, regardless of whether its stocks or gold, makes sense for pretty much all retail investors.

I agree, John X, but our perspectives are different from that of my friend presence. He is a trader, attempting to beat the market. He believes he can beat the market, and he is using "technical analysis" to do it. As for me, and probably you, I do not think that he can reliably do this feat, because I do not think anyone can. He may or may not have done it in the past (I have no way of knowing that, and he is certainly not going to release past performance numbers that would make him look bad) and he may or my not do it in the future, but the point is I wouldn't bet my precious money on it. I can't count on it.

But in this particular instance, if I had counted on it, on presence's prognosticating prowess, I would have come out ahead. At least so far. Half of making money speculating is selling at the right time, and presence does not recommend selling yet. But so far, reality has, for whatever reason, cooperated and backed up his bold call.

So, a congratulations is in order.

Then in comes Zippyjuan and wisely and brilliantly explains how SPXU or whatever has gone down since 2010. And so that's supposed to somehow reflect badly on presence? Earth to Obvious, come in Obvious: he wasn't recommending it in 2010! From the time he did recommend it until now, it is up. That's the bottom line.

But again, I did not recommend it, and I would not recommend it. I have a completely different investment philosophy.

But credit is due where credit is due. This thread is a unicorn, a pink four-leaf clover; you could subscribe to a hundred investment guru newsletters and you still might never again in your lifetime see a prediction that actually came true like this. So congratulations to presence.
 
But credit is due where credit is due. This thread is a unicorn, a pink four-leaf clover; you could subscribe to a hundred investment guru newsletters and you still might never again in your lifetime see a prediction that actually came true like this. So congratulations to presence.


Thanks helmuth :D
 
All my information said, this is the start of a cyclical bear market. Not sure now. Are we in a clear bull market.?
 
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I have a feeling Friday is going to be the definition of a good news=bad news or bad news=good news kind of day after the jobs report.

If we get a number in the high 200s, stocks are going to tank. Under 200 and stocks will take off.
 
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All my information said, this is the start of a cyclical bear market. Not sure now. Are we in a clear bull market.?

Don't worry, your information is correct. What's about to happen to the markets isn't based in charts or logic. After Labor Day, buckle in bro.
 
The Footsteps of St. Paul will have been traced.

Are you talking about the pilgrimage to Greece? Would love the details.

I'm also not really too keen on the fault slipping from market forces. There are too many other things at play.

Even in this thread there was discussion of the Shemitah. And in that context (just like the 2001 market collapse) world events might be the driving force behind a market anomaly.

Now whether it's an earthquake, or a nuke going off somewhere, either planned by man or not, or simply a crazy combination of market forces, doesn't change that signs are coming from multiple directions about an event.

In any event the moral of the story is "pay attention".
 
Are you talking about the pilgrimage to Greece? Would love the details.

I'm also not really too keen on the fault slipping from market forces. There are too many other things at play.

Even in this thread there was discussion of the Shemitah. And in that context (just like the 2001 market collapse) world events might be the driving force behind a market anomaly.

Now whether it's an earthquake, or a nuke going off somewhere, either planned by man or not, or simply a crazy combination of market forces, doesn't change that signs are coming from multiple directions about an event.

In any event the moral of the story is "pay attention".

For sure there are a lot of moving pieces at work, not just one single piece (though remember this is the econ subforum so that is the focus of discussion here). No large long-term plan is without large long-term coordination between many pieces. The religious calendars, the end of the global bankruptcy reorg, foreign policy moves, domestic policy moves, etc. Indeed, do pay attention.
 
Well , by today , figured , made back 3 % back of the 10 % I lost from 8/01 to 9/01.So I cashed out 50 % of everything I had in every market , all the checks should arrive , oh , 2 or three weeks from tomorrow , my guess . I was hoping to have it all wrapped up and semi retire by Labor Day , but waited until I got a little back .Guess I will go ahead and collect my Christmas bonus and vacation now and shoot for Jan or Feb .I quit smoking in June , so, hopefully, I do not outlive my beer savings .Wish me luck !
 
These two charts show that gold is not really a commodity.

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Ben let that slip a few years ago when he told Ron that gold is an asset. He didn't say it's a commodity.
 
I have a feeling Friday is going to be the definition of a good news=bad news or bad news=good news kind of day after the jobs report.

If we get a number in the high 200s, stocks are going to tank. Under 200 and stocks will take off.

I missed that one, we got bad news and stocks fell. That's why I'm not a day trader!
 
All my information said, this is the start of a cyclical bear market. Not sure now. Are we in a clear bull market.?


Watch the 55 week and 200 week moving averages. When we close under the 200 (which hasn't happened yet) then we've most likely transitioned into a bear market.
 
Don't worry, your information is correct. What's about to happen to the markets isn't based in charts or logic. After Labor Day, buckle in bro.

You maybe right.

The DOW is carving out a bear flag (opposite of a bull flag). With a flagpole length of ~2000 points. So if this sucker plays out, then we could be going to 13k - or more.
 
You maybe right.

The DOW is carving out a bear flag (opposite of a bull flag). With a flagpole length of ~2000 points. So if this sucker plays out, then we could be going to 13k - or more.

I doubt it will go that low without Fed intervention. I'm surprised they've stayed out this long. If the DOW keeps falling my guess is the Fed will definitively call off any rate hikes for this year.
 
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