Disturbing Trend

[tnvoter]

I'm sure Dr. Paul and his campaign director and staff have taken a lot of time to carefully consider his public platform that he wishes to campaign on. We all should respect that. Here's the link to Dr. Paul's issues page from the official campaign web site. We all can safely assume that these are the messages Dr. Paul wants us to advance when talking about him.

Anything else not on this page is basically "off message" and could be perceived as a distraction from achieving the objective we all seek--Dr. Paul's election as President.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/html/Issues_fx.html

yep

 

[kylejack]

I dont care what you would tell them, I'd say welcome. Its called freedom of speech and expression. The first amendment is all inclusive, while I may not like what they say or stand for, I'll defend with my life if need be their right to say it.

Yes, I like Voltaire too.

If you're uncomfortable with that I hear that china has a system of government that may be more to your liking

What the hell?

 

[Gee]

I've noticed a disturbing trend on this forum and others wherein Ron Paul supporters are trying to micromanage other Ron Paul supporters. They are telling others what they should and should not do and say and what issues they should discuss when talking about Ron Paul.

The human need to tell other people what to do should never be underestimated or promoted, IMO. But in the absense of coercion, its really nothing more than rudeness.

 

[Craig_R]

What the hell?

well, you are denouncing the very rights we're here fighting for. Liberty for all, means you'll have to tolerate some things you may disagree with.

To come here and attempt to limit those rights is contrary to the message of liberty that we're all here to support. The message this country was founded on, the message Ron Paul is campioning, the message that should be bringing us all together.

Now please brothers and sisters, I emplore you, put our differences of opinon aside and focus on the ties that bind us... and bring back liberty to the masses.

Lets get Ron Paul elected

 

[Cunningham]

I don't think anyone here thinks the Truth movement doesn't have a right to support what they want. I myself want to know the truth and I don't believe the government. You can quote all the opinion polls you want but just because the american people think the government is lying to them doesn't mean they think the government was behind the attacks. If you mention controlled demolitions to most people there brain will just shut off. Most people do not want to believe that there government faked something to justify a war and a police state, they don't want to ever have to accept that. It'll take more than some videos on youtube or some rallies to convince them of that. Your going to have to have a fundamental change in our government if you ever hope to have your opinions investigated. You've got more chance of that type of government with Ron Paul than with any one else. By all means. continue to seek the truth but don't make it any easier for the establishment to marginalize Ron Paul. You have to think about this strategically. It's true, you can continue to try to associate the movement with Ron Paul and he might still win, but what if it's that very association that ends up costing him that election. That's a chance I'm not willing to take. Four years of Ron Paul in the White House will help us all more than 18 months on the campaign trail.

 

[mdh]

There's no need for hostility guys - same team here!

 

[mesler]

Focus on the positive and focus on the things you can control. You can't control other people. You can only control yourself.

You can't control people, but you can influence them, just like you're trying to do here.

 

[kylejack]

well, you are denouncing the very rights we're here fighting for. Liberty for all, means you'll have to tolerate some things you may disagree with.

No, liberty means I can say what I want, and what I'm saying is that 9/11 Truthers hurt the campaign, and they can best help the Ron Paul campaign by not visibly tying Ron Paul to the Truther campaigns.

To come here and attempt to limit those rights is contrary to the message of liberty that we're all here to support.

I'm not limiting anyone's rights. I'm telling Truthers that if they write LTEs, comments, and blog posts that associate Ron Paul with the Truther movement that they will hurt his chances at getting nominated, and of getting his message out.

Now please brothers and sisters, I emplore you, put our differences of opinon aside and focus on the ties that bind us... and bring back liberty to the masses.

Lets get Ron Paul elected

Yes, let's, and let's do so by not tying Ron Paul to movements that the majority of Americans consider to be tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.

 

[Michael Wilson]

When I talk to people about Ron Paul I usually start with the things listed on his website, but then it usually goes into other topics after that, and I say if you eally want to know if Ron Paul supports it, then check to see if it is in the Constitution, because that is where he runs his campaign from. That usually quells their fears, and then they come back after they have looked up Ron Paul, and they are every bit as adamant about getting him elected as I am.

 

[Kandilynn]

When I talk to people about Ron Paul I usually start with the things listed on his website, but then it usually goes into other topics after that, and I say if you eally want to know if Ron Paul supports it, then check to see if it is in the Constitution, because that is where he runs his campaign from. That usually quells their fears, and then they come back after they have looked up Ron Paul, and they are every bit as adamant about getting him elected as I am.

Where are you writing this from? I thought you were at a concert. (I miss you! )


I'm with Craig, just having this many people working together to do something proactive is awesome.

I do have my fears occasionally, but not about the 9/11 truthers. For the most part the 9/11 truthers have done more good than harm. They helped put that jerk from the Michigan GOP in his place as well as a whole lot of others. They are enemies anyway. The people I'm worried about are the ones who want to flood the inboxes of our supporters. The ones that say "Bill Maher said he wants RP on his show again, lets flood him with e-mails telling him to have RP back on the show!" But I do and will continue to hold my breath and hope it's okay.

 

[4Horsemen]

Of course it is their choice.

Just like if someone wants to wear a shirt with the words "I am a child molester" in front and the words "Ron Paul for President" at the back it's their choice. But don't tell me that wouldn't concern you.

Who would do something like that, and live to tell about it?

I saw Chelsea Clinton wearing a shirt saying "My mommy is a Commie"

 

[RedStripe]

Who cares about any of this... we dont need to focus on who's personal views are more in line with Paul's or whatever, we need to focus on getting Ron Paul's name out so people can find out what he stands for, in his own words.

 

[MediaTruthNetwork]

Who cares about any of this... we dont need to focus on who's personal views are more in line with Paul's or whatever, we need to focus on getting Ron Paul's name out so people can find out what he stands for, in his own words.

Exactly....

Full force ACTIONism begins by educating the populace about Ron Paul. They
can form their own opinions once shown the light. Its just a matter of
getting that light to them.

- Dave

 

[Anne]

Thanks for all your thoughtful responses. I'd just like to say that I am thinking of leaving this forum because of the repeated namecalling and referring to people who question the government as "tinfoil hatters." I'm not a "911 Truther" but am more agnostic about the subject because I just don't know what the real story is. Maybe our government did it, maybe it really was terrorists, maybe our government allowed terrorists to do it ... who knows?

I believe elements in the government killed Kennedy. I believe aliens landed at Roswell. I believe the FDA is trying to keep alternative treatments from us.

I don't own a tinfoil hat. In fact, I don't use tinfoil or aluminum foil at all because aluminum leeches into the food and is toxic. Is that enough of a crazy theory for you?

I believe that the mainstream media is deliberately trying to keep Ron Paul out of the election. That isn't a conspiracy theory. That's a fact. I watched in real time as ABC deleted hundreds of comments about Ron Paul that were not spam.

If you want to keep this a forum for all perspectives and viewpoints, you're going to have to stop calling people tinfoil hatters. Period.

If you can't accept that, I will find another forum that is more open-minded and accepting of different viewpoints.

 

[jon_perez]

Thanks for all your thoughtful responses. I'd just like to say that I am thinking of leaving this forum because of the repeated namecalling and referring to people who question the government as "tinfoil hatters."

Oh please, stop blackmailing others into muzzling themselves just to avoid upsetting you.

I'm not a "911 Truther" but am more agnostic about the subject because I just don't know what the real story is.

You're getting too worked up about labels. Anyone who does not believe that the government is telling the whole story about 9/11 is a 911 "Truther" by the everyday definition of the phrase I'm fairly sure that covers a LOT of people, including me.

I believe elements in the government killed Kennedy. I believe aliens landed at Roswell. I believe the FDA is trying to keep alternative treatments from us.

I don't own a tinfoil hat. In fact, I don't use tinfoil or aluminum foil at all because aluminum leeches into the food and is toxic. Is that enough of a crazy theory for you?

You're free to believe any and all those things above and other people are free to ridicule you for having them especially if you can't back them up with solid evidence.

I believe that the mainstream media is deliberately trying to keep Ron Paul out of the election. That isn't a conspiracy theory. That's a fact. I watched in real time as ABC deleted hundreds of comments about Ron Paul that were not spam.

I suggest you listen to what Ron Paul said when he was asked his opinion on mainstream media in the Reagan Library debate. It was a very sane and rational answer not tainted with paranoia or unfounded accusations and finger-pointing.

If you want to keep this a forum for all perspectives and viewpoints, you're going to have to stop calling people tinfoil hatters. Period.

If you want to keep this a forum for all perspectives and viewpoints, you're going to have to stop making demands and then ending them with "Period."

If you can't accept that, I will find another forum that is more open-minded and accepting of different viewpoints.

Hey, it's a free country.

 

[Anne]

You are a complete jerk. I'm totally out of here. I want to focus on Ron Paul, not fight with self-righteous people like you. I'm just going to keep on doing my own thing for Ron Paul. No need to hang out with the likes of you to help him. I'm not making demands, just asking people to stop name-calling and belittling people. You did enough belittling in this post to make Bill O'Reilly proud.

I really do believe in the law of attraction and surrounding oneself with positive people and this place just isn't cutting it for me.

I'm sure it's fine for most of you. But I lose my temper too easily when people are as rude as jon_perez and I don't want to lose my temper. I just want to focus on Ron Paul and what I see as his platform of unification of different viewpoints.

I don't need to prove anything to you, jon_perez, or back up anything with evidence. I am not on trial. I can say I believe the FDA is corrupt without having to prove it. That's my opinion. Yes, I can prove it because I;m in the healthcare industry but I'm not here to do that.

Read up on Ron Paul's comments on the FDA and the bills he introduced. That should tell you enough.

I hope you all have fun in your super happy little family of non-tinfoil hatters supporting Ron Paul and not talking about marijuana or anything else controversial. Have fun making Ron Paul as bland and non-controversial as possible in order to dumb him down for the masses. It sounds like the best way to not get him elected.

I'll be pursuing other avenues of support for him.

Bye.

Oh please, stop blackmailing others into muzzling themselves just to avoid upsetting you.

You're getting too worked up about labels. Anyone who does not believe that the government is telling the whole story about 9/11 is a 911 "Truther" by the everyday definition of the phrase I'm fairly sure that covers a LOT of people, including me.



You're free to believe any and all those things above and other people are free to ridicule you for having them especially if you can't back them up with solid evidence.


I suggest you listen to what Ron Paul said when he was asked his opinion on mainstream media in the Reagan Library debate. It was a very sane and rational answer not tainted with paranoia or unfounded accusations and finger-pointing.


If you want to keep this a forum for all perspectives and viewpoints, you're going to have to stop making demands and then ending them with "Period."

Hey, it's a free country.

 

[kelldor]

Yes, let's, and let's do so by not tying Ron Paul to movements that the majority of Americans consider to be tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.

I respectfully submit that the "tinfoil hat" comment echoes Michelle Malkin or Faux News. Check out this poll, out of almost 60,000 people, 83% believe the government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks.

In fairness though, you make a valid point that tying Ron Paul to 9/11 conspiracy theories could hurt his campaign. That is exactly what Michelle Malkin and Faux News are trying to do as well, and yes, we should take that into consideration.

More interesting though than any back and forth "no 9/11 stuff vs. free speech" is the fact that there is a rising constituency out there that wants to be represented by someone honest and willing to hear their redress for grievances. I found an actual scientific Zogby Poll showing that Over 70 Million American Adults Support New 9/11 Investigation.

70 million adult Americans have the ability to tip the balance of a presidential election. That is powerful!

In closing, I propose that we work together to figure out a way to effectively harness that power in such a way so as not to do undue harm to Ron Paul's campaign, but at the same time continue to be inclusive and welcoming people of differing opinions. In that way, I think both sides of the argument could come out as winners. You don't have to support the 9/11 Truth movement, and I respect every Americans right to make that choice themselves, but we can not deny that there are a lot of people who want the truth, and I see no better candidate out there to deliver us the truth than Ron Paul.

Kelldor

 

[tnvoter]

anne, no offense but i've been addicted to this forum for 3 days and i haven't experienced Anything you're talking about.

seriously, best wishes!

 

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

This entire post was unnecessary and is only serving to divide us. I am going to ignore this post from now on and suggest you all do the same.

Let's get back to work!

 

[Anne]

This entire post was unnecessary and is only serving to divide us. I am going to ignore this post from now on and suggest you all do the same.

Let's get back to work!

This dismissive attitude is exactly why I'm leaving. No attempt to understand people on the board who differ from you.

It's really sad. I'm sorry you think my post was "unnecessary." Frankly, I think you and certain others here are deliberately trying to divide people. My post, if you read it clearly, is trying to unite people. Yet some people in this thread persisted with the "tin foil hat" and conspiracy comments.

Good luck with everything.